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at least someone has a more realistic, true to earth view of piracy. unlike some people around here.
I love me some Notch, yet I can't help but wince at the statement. I don't know if he's buying into the pirate BS demo line or just wants to believe better of a bunch of classless shitheads, but they aren't gonna buy it later in numbers that will be noticeable. They'll just be dicks, steal his hard work, and pretend to be persecuted victims of the games industry when call on their asshattery.
Now THAT is piracy used correctly. I think people who steal games are burdens on society yes, but as long as they buy it in the end it's fine. (Unless you have no other way to get it because you live in Iran or something, then by all means pirate away and experience art.)
i know that trust can be abused and all, but trust is an awesome thing, and this just makes me heart notch all that much more.
also, those that abuse trust are dicks and they live in their own personal hell's anyway. so even tho they steal a game, don't think that doesn't start to leave marks on their already fractured souls.
i imagine people who keep repeating that process become much like gollum.
also, those that abuse trust are dicks and they live in their own personal hell's anyway. so even tho they steal a game, don't think that doesn't start to leave marks on their already fractured souls.
i imagine people who keep repeating that process become much like gollum.
Poor Notch, so naive. And if you guys think that potential costumers shit really applies, look at the pirating numbers on Skyrim, The Witcher 2 and etc.
@MrMacphisto but if you as a developer are cool with it even the pirate gamers are gonna like you and thats a step more to get them as a legal costumers
@MrMacphisto:
You have to look at the big picture. If someone pirates content, they are obviously interested in it. People generally don't steal things they don't want. The battle lies in convincing them to pay for it. It may be a very small percentage, but it's still money.
You have to look at the big picture. If someone pirates content, they are obviously interested in it. People generally don't steal things they don't want. The battle lies in convincing them to pay for it. It may be a very small percentage, but it's still money.
I'm sure part of this comes from notch himself pirating stuff long ago.
Which he probably did the same thing, took since he couldn't afford than bought later.
Which he probably did the same thing, took since he couldn't afford than bought later.
I cannot count the number of games I've bought, brand new, at full price, this generation because I pirated previous installments on my PS2.
Notch knows.
Notch knows.
@MrMacphisto
please don't be one of those people. the numbers for and against the pirating issue are flimsy and extremely suggestive at best. an attempted download does not equal an actual pirated copy for example.
by citing both skyrim (wildly successful and selling very well) and the witcher 2 (ehhh, didn't sell so well) and saying that piracy is somehow effected either (wait, so if everyone in three continents pirated skyrim, why did they have such huge sales numbers still?), you have pretty much invalidated your own argument.
please don't be one of those people. the numbers for and against the pirating issue are flimsy and extremely suggestive at best. an attempted download does not equal an actual pirated copy for example.
by citing both skyrim (wildly successful and selling very well) and the witcher 2 (ehhh, didn't sell so well) and saying that piracy is somehow effected either (wait, so if everyone in three continents pirated skyrim, why did they have such huge sales numbers still?), you have pretty much invalidated your own argument.
Too easy to say when you're already sold million of copies and don't have a lot of developers working for you.
(I mean, he's right of course)
(I mean, he's right of course)
Classy move by notch but "can't afford" means a lot of things to a lot of people.
If you have $150 to spend and you go buy 3 games, you probably "can't afford" a fourth, but you *could have*.
My point? This is gonna be used by countless dipshits who ignore/don't understand the real meaning of "can't afford" to justify blatantly not supporting the developers of games they like.
If you have $150 to spend and you go buy 3 games, you probably "can't afford" a fourth, but you *could have*.
My point? This is gonna be used by countless dipshits who ignore/don't understand the real meaning of "can't afford" to justify blatantly not supporting the developers of games they like.
He's already made his money, as Razorpakk said. He started off with a budget of basically nothing but free time and made millions.
He's having his cake and eating it too, and I can't blame him for it.
He's having his cake and eating it too, and I can't blame him for it.
Notch IS in fact being a class act here, not that I expect Jim Trolling to understand that. Come to think of it as much as he's been paid to rant about piracy in the past I'm suddenly shocked at his brief hatred of SOPA (since it's come to an end you see where his loyalties really lie though). Notch understands how the world, and pirating, actually work. Pirates are customers, treat them as such and you'll get their money later instead of now. What they are, in fact, are SMART consumers, who don't just hand you their money for promises.
If your disposable income is so low that you can't afford Minecraft, I think creepers are the least of your worries.
I could see a lot of people abusing this sort of developer trust. Unless a game is released it just seems unlikely that a lot of people who already own a game would buy it; especially when it's from a less well-known developers than Notch. Eh, maybe I'm just cynical.
I could see a lot of people abusing this sort of developer trust. Unless a game is released it just seems unlikely that a lot of people who already own a game would buy it; especially when it's from a less well-known developers than Notch. Eh, maybe I'm just cynical.
@inferioritycomplex
minecraft.net
you're welcome.
@matt welch
what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
@rammstein
baZING! *followed by a quick groin jab*
minecraft.net
you're welcome.
@matt welch
what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
@rammstein
baZING! *followed by a quick groin jab*
That is a way of work around with pirate, not the best way because not everyone will do, but people might buy afterwards
It's still doesn't change the fact that piracy is a horrible evil that gotta be erase from the face of the Earth. Ima right?
If these people cant afford to spend the 20 some bucks required to get Minecraft (that's how much it is still, right?) there's no way they'll spend that money in the future anyway.
Matt Welch: "Notch IS in fact being a class act here, not that I expect Jim Trolling to understand that."
Jim Sterling: "One has to respect that, whatever one's view of piracy. Class act, that Notch."
What in the incoherent fuck are you talking about?
Jim Sterling: "One has to respect that, whatever one's view of piracy. Class act, that Notch."
What in the incoherent fuck are you talking about?
@Rammstein
Ouch! I wouldn't want to be Minecraft right about now! Zing! Hehehehe! Good one! Burn! Oh snap!
Ouch! I wouldn't want to be Minecraft right about now! Zing! Hehehehe! Good one! Burn! Oh snap!
This is probably just him being more colloquial than anything, aligning and pandering to the swedish pirate party platform which is probably going to end up dead in the next 10 years.
@tekbunny: HAY! Buy a girl dinner first. *mace*
@nfm1337: ty ;)
But seriously though, I bought Minecraft back when it was Buy 1 Get 1 Free and it turns out you need a specific IP address to play with others? Defeating the purpose of playing it with my roommate and thus my $21 were wasted.
Also, you have to build everything yourself. That's just lazy programming right there. But then I was never into Lego, which minecraft is a wholesale ripoff of.
@nfm1337: ty ;)
But seriously though, I bought Minecraft back when it was Buy 1 Get 1 Free and it turns out you need a specific IP address to play with others? Defeating the purpose of playing it with my roommate and thus my $21 were wasted.
Also, you have to build everything yourself. That's just lazy programming right there. But then I was never into Lego, which minecraft is a wholesale ripoff of.
notch is already like a bajillionaire thanks to Minecraft. Think he gives a fuck?
To the white knights still saying the guy won't buy the game because pirating is evil: he WANTS to buy the game, you thickheaded clods. That's how the exchange began in the first place.
Here's the thing. PAY ATTENTION. ITS PRETTY SIMPLE.
Some people will pirate no matter what. It's an unfortunate reality that you cannot change. Not with good will, and not with DRM. Pirates gonna pirate. These people are not potential customers. this is not the kind of person notch is speaking to. It's not the kind of person Valve is successful with. It's not the kind of person Louis CK had success with. Yet it's the kind of person companies like Ubisoft, EA, and Sony constantly try to hopelessly fight while harming the bystanders - many of whom result to piracy as a result of worsening service.
To the white knights still saying the guy won't buy the game because pirating is evil: he WANTS to buy the game, you thickheaded clods. That's how the exchange began in the first place.
Here's the thing. PAY ATTENTION. ITS PRETTY SIMPLE.
Some people will pirate no matter what. It's an unfortunate reality that you cannot change. Not with good will, and not with DRM. Pirates gonna pirate. These people are not potential customers. this is not the kind of person notch is speaking to. It's not the kind of person Valve is successful with. It's not the kind of person Louis CK had success with. Yet it's the kind of person companies like Ubisoft, EA, and Sony constantly try to hopelessly fight while harming the bystanders - many of whom result to piracy as a result of worsening service.
Calm down pirate haters. Have any of you ever pirated a song? Bought a DVD watched the latest Mission Impossible from South-East Asian for $1 American dollars when you were there? Heck ... how many of you have jaywalked?
Well if you say YES to any of this, your all law breakers and thieves.
Well if you say YES to any of this, your all law breakers and thieves.
This is just Notch being a populist. If he'd really feel that way, the game would be free and supported by donations. But I guess its easy to say "Piracy is OK!" when you're swimming in money.
.... actually scratch that last part. If you jaywalk your not a thief ... but your still a lawbreaker :P
Notch has already made ridiculous amounts of profit off of Minecraft, the costs were likely almost non-existant. Personally I didn't find any enjoyment in Minecraft whatsoever.
He can say what the hell he wants as clearly potential losses aren't an issue for him anymore, it smacks of arrogance.
Same situation with Valve, they are sitting on the best and most popular DRM service out there, why should they care about piracy when it's not a problem for them?
Other developers aren't quite so lucky, and saying crap like this is just selfish.
@amtalx
When I have a passing interest in a game, I'll buy it new EVENTUALLY and by the time I do the price will probably have dropped. Maybe pirates should try to do the same?
What gives them the right to play NOW and pay LATER? Nothing.
You overestimate the kindness of pirates, they'll get something without paying for it simply because they can. They won't feel bad about it either.
@Sexualchocolate
So what you're saying is now you're less of a scumbag? Good on you.
You still didn't pay for all of those PS2 games though did you?
He can say what the hell he wants as clearly potential losses aren't an issue for him anymore, it smacks of arrogance.
Same situation with Valve, they are sitting on the best and most popular DRM service out there, why should they care about piracy when it's not a problem for them?
Other developers aren't quite so lucky, and saying crap like this is just selfish.
@amtalx
When I have a passing interest in a game, I'll buy it new EVENTUALLY and by the time I do the price will probably have dropped. Maybe pirates should try to do the same?
What gives them the right to play NOW and pay LATER? Nothing.
You overestimate the kindness of pirates, they'll get something without paying for it simply because they can. They won't feel bad about it either.
@Sexualchocolate
So what you're saying is now you're less of a scumbag? Good on you.
You still didn't pay for all of those PS2 games though did you?
The sense of entitlement is staggering with people. You seriously can't afford Minecraft? Really? Ok well I guess just work until you can save up enough-- oh you want, nay, NEED it now? Well that is a weird thing to say about a videogame and not something like antibiotics... Ok, well, here shitty human, pirate it and then you will get some brief sense of being a good person where you debate paying for a copy weeks or months down the road from when you pirated it, then just decide that it's been so long that they've probably just made their money from someone else by now and you shrug say something eloquent like "welp, it's in god's hands now" and go back to living your cunty life.
Notch is just doing PR here. Of course he wants money for the quality product he and his team have made and he SHOULD be compensated. He just doesn't want to stoke the flames of the retarded Internet so he gives some middling, warm-fuzzies statement.
Fuck you. Save your money like a fucking big boy. Or fuck, turn tricks if you need games that badly.
Notch is just doing PR here. Of course he wants money for the quality product he and his team have made and he SHOULD be compensated. He just doesn't want to stoke the flames of the retarded Internet so he gives some middling, warm-fuzzies statement.
Fuck you. Save your money like a fucking big boy. Or fuck, turn tricks if you need games that badly.
The comment is being taken a little out of context. The exact comment by the person asking for a free account was: "Hi notch, look, I really like the game but lack the money to buy it. I thought I might at least ask for a free account before piracy"
So, they were technically going to pirate anyway.
So, they were technically going to pirate anyway.
Lol at the people saying that Notch is only saying this because Minecraft is already successful and he's made tons from it. If I remember correctly, he's said almost the exact same thing numerous times in the past. I don't even know why this is even news.
This is something Notch wouldn't say if he didn't already have his pile of Minecraft money to sleep on. The fact that he's encouraging something that, while overrated, impacts the industry as a whole seems to reek that of arrogance a little bit.
I like Notch, I just hope he doesnt turn into an arrogant douchebag like those guys who made Angry Birds.
I like Notch, I just hope he doesnt turn into an arrogant douchebag like those guys who made Angry Birds.
@ Dr-Peace
i pirated minecraft to see if i liked it. i did, and i paid for it during the alpha stage. everyone is happy. except you.
when i see people like you throwing insults and going bananas over piracy i just think you must be jealous or something. like those uptight religious types that really want to have sex but deny it to themselves and call people whores and sinners when they see them enjoying their carefree lives.
i find it funny you call out valve as being selfish when so many small games do really well using their service, and this is a comment on a story about a game funded by fans before it was even finished. obviously there is scope for anyone to succeed in this industry, and personally i have no sympathy for those that use piracy as an excuse for failure cause by their poor product and/or marketing, luck has nothing to do with it. the key is to understand your audience. some devs do, and some don't.
i pirated minecraft to see if i liked it. i did, and i paid for it during the alpha stage. everyone is happy. except you.
when i see people like you throwing insults and going bananas over piracy i just think you must be jealous or something. like those uptight religious types that really want to have sex but deny it to themselves and call people whores and sinners when they see them enjoying their carefree lives.
i find it funny you call out valve as being selfish when so many small games do really well using their service, and this is a comment on a story about a game funded by fans before it was even finished. obviously there is scope for anyone to succeed in this industry, and personally i have no sympathy for those that use piracy as an excuse for failure cause by their poor product and/or marketing, luck has nothing to do with it. the key is to understand your audience. some devs do, and some don't.
Also, come out of the closet already, Jim. People at work are starting to wonder when I'm reading your articles. We support you, man.
I find it confounding that people are saying this will lead to an 'abuse of developer trust' as though what Notch has said has somehow made the ability to pirate any easier or harder.
what notch has said cannot possibly be abused since it has no real world power, it is merely his opinion.
it's not like a magical door has been opened with light shining through it suddenly making pirating more fun and interactive.
essentially what Notch has said is "i am not giving you a copy so that you can get the game for free legally" or phrased another way "if you want to get it without paying then you can make yourself a criminal to do so, I'm not going to enable you".
it's very applaud-able since he is forcing the gamer to take responsibility for their choices, instead of being 'the man'.
what notch has said cannot possibly be abused since it has no real world power, it is merely his opinion.
it's not like a magical door has been opened with light shining through it suddenly making pirating more fun and interactive.
essentially what Notch has said is "i am not giving you a copy so that you can get the game for free legally" or phrased another way "if you want to get it without paying then you can make yourself a criminal to do so, I'm not going to enable you".
it's very applaud-able since he is forcing the gamer to take responsibility for their choices, instead of being 'the man'.
@psycho terror2
Yeah it is a shame I didn't enjoy Minecraft, luckily I have so much more and better to play.
I never said Valve were selfish, I said that such STATEMENTS are selfish because they hardly any developers are in such a cushy position to be that ridiculously casual with piracy.
Jealous? My backlog is far too big for that. I still have quests in Xenoblade and Skyrim to do, too many games man.
I don't like piracy simply because it's a pathetic, inexcusable act and developers deserve better, so I'm gonna bitch about it whether you like it or not thanks.
You aren't bothered by the fact that Machinarium and World of Goo got 90% piracy rates? Both of them being acclaimed and cheap indie games? It's all their fault is it?
Classy.
@jorbams
Great comment.
Yeah it is a shame I didn't enjoy Minecraft, luckily I have so much more and better to play.
I never said Valve were selfish, I said that such STATEMENTS are selfish because they hardly any developers are in such a cushy position to be that ridiculously casual with piracy.
Jealous? My backlog is far too big for that. I still have quests in Xenoblade and Skyrim to do, too many games man.
I don't like piracy simply because it's a pathetic, inexcusable act and developers deserve better, so I'm gonna bitch about it whether you like it or not thanks.
You aren't bothered by the fact that Machinarium and World of Goo got 90% piracy rates? Both of them being acclaimed and cheap indie games? It's all their fault is it?
Classy.
@jorbams
Great comment.
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