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Nobody cried over the death of a game character, claims ignorant critic photo

Film critic Roger Moore is a presumptuous, ignorant and sad individual. In his review of the Max Payne movie, a film which supposedly bears little relevance to the game it shares a name with, Moore has taken a rather pathetic excuse to slam videogames, haughtily claiming that they are "emotionally inferior" to movies.

The height of his arrogance comes when he claims that nobody ever cried over the death of a videogame character. So he's either a moron or a liar, then:

But as good as a couple of its action beats are, Max still suffers from the heartlessness that makes games emotionally inferior to movies. Nobody ever shed a tear over a video-game character's death.

I'm not sure what it is about film critics that make them so willfully ignorant about the achievements games have made in terms of storytelling, but they seem to actively revel in their own self-imposed stupidity. Perhaps they're jealous that games earn more money and are becoming more culturally relevant than the medium they chose to spend their life discussing?

But in any case, Moore is pathetically wrong. Several games in the Final Fantasy and the Metal Gear Solid series have seen me shed a tear, and I know my colleagues can say the same of other titles. Despite what this wretchedly presumptuous individual claims (and really, how dare he have the gall to speak for everyone?) not every game is heartless and vapid. You could say the same of most movies -- no film has ever made me personally cry, unless it was a typically bad Hollywood adaptation of something superior that I love.

Roger Moore clearly has zero knowledge about videogames, and he should keep his mouth shut on the subject because he only serves to betray his own blinkered and rather dismal view on popular culture. I don't even think we should be too mad at this clearly bitter and deluded hack. We should probably feel sorry for a man who can't allow himself to understand some of the amazing experiences games can now offer.

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njsykora's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 02:44
njsykora
Near the end of Tales of Symphonia. Bawled my eyes out.

Character death in Persona 3, same thing.

Someone tell this guy to actually play a decent story game eh?
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 02:47
Orionsaint
Yeah and let me not be Ignorant and say he hasn't played a Video Game in 25 years. I can give you an example but It would be a spoiler, but a certain character in Half Life 2 Episode 2. Well I'll leave it at that, but I was on the verge of Tears. Voice acting in a video game is no different than voice acting in a game. It all depends on the actor behind the voice. I wanna ask all my fellow gamers here. To email this guy as much as possible and show him examples of Video Games that made us cry.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 02:49
Orionsaint
What is it with the name Roger. That makes them ignorant towards Video Games? hehe.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 02:50
Orionsaint
I think Roger Moore was the worst James Bond! haha
Joseph Leray's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 02:51
Joseph Leray
Lost Odyssey did me in.
FireFace's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:05
FireFace
the only time i've ever been moved to tears by a game was in the epilogue of shadows of the colossus. now, that's not to say i haven't been moved by the death of characters before. coming (being led) to the realization that what i have done as a player/character is not altruistic and helpful, but rather selfish and harmful, and EXPERIENCING that revelation and not just WATCHING it happen is the truest expression of how games CAN be more emotionally involving than cinema.
Aziel13's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:13
Aziel13
I in all honesty Laughed not cried at aeris's death and got punched in the balls for it
AfroJoel's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:13
AfroJoel
I've never cried in my entire life.
thinkfreemind's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:15
thinkfreemind
I've been known to cry at a few sad parts in movies before. Forest Gump, John Q, etc... That said, this guy has no idea what he's talking about. There have been quite a few games that have got my tears flowing before, games like Shadow of the Colossus, Lost Odyssey, heck even the ending of Halo3 when I thought MC was dead.The fact is games can be even more emotionally charged than movies, of course, this all depends on how close a connection the player feels to a character or a plot.

For this movie critic to feel as if he has to throw a jab at the gaming medium just to tell us that the Max Payne movie sucks, really shows just how little he knows about us. I mean, we already knew it was going to suck. In fact, he could have saved his $7.50 if he'd just had enough respect to ask for our opinion on the trailer commercials.
pendelton21's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:16
pendelton21
The Darkness did it for me, when a certain someone perished.
JustLikeBuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:16
JustLikeBuck
Why's he like this? Being a boring old-man has something to do with it. I'm sure the generation before him was calling film shallow.

Film is loosing ground to games. And most reviewers will be out of the job; too many of them anyway.

Games have proven near recession-proof, whereas the film industry has been shooting itself in the foot even at the best of economic times:

Cinemas only get a small percentage (25%, or 10% if the movie is The Phantom Menace) of every ticket sale (this increases per week as of the films release).

This pushes food and drink up, and wages down, and eliminates equity to upgrade or maintain cinema systems.

It's no mystery why the only film in the cinema I've seen in the last year has been The Dark Knight. And that's put me off for ever from that particular cinema.

The people "protecting the artists" (and through inaction, the artists themselves), have hardly enamoured themselves to us.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:17
vexed alex
@ AfroJoel

Your name sounds incredibly familiar...
Sieggy's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:21
Sieggy
The same reason novellists claim films to be awful.

MY MEDIUM IS BETTER THAN YOUR MEDIUM
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:22
Mxyzptlk
Roger Moore, congratulations! Thanks to your foolish words you've just received an e-smackdown courtesy of England's own Jim Sterling!

Also, crying is for girls.
Trowble's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:26
Trowble
Man, I can't find it on Youtube, but I remember seeing this video where a bunch of people cosplaying and this guy dressed up as Wakka was talking out loud saying something like, "Who hasn't/never/ever cried to Aeris dying in FF7, WHO? WHO?" That shit had me cracking up, but that's what Moore's smartass remark reminded me of.

Then again, I never shed a tear playing any game or any movie for that matter. However, I was scared shitless while playing Friday the 13th for the NES as a kid.
Blind assassin's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:33
Blind assassin
I want to say that no one gives a shit about his opinion on value judgments like the merit of games but the inherent nature of movie reviewing is based on an arbitrary authority shitting his judgment onto the consciousness of people that have trouble making up their own minds.

Also, early morning (Eastern time) post. Smacking this asshole down must've been high on Sterling's "To do" list.
Blind assassin's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:33
Blind assassin
I want to say that no one gives a shit about his opinion on value judgments like the merit of games but the inherent nature of movie reviewing is based on an arbitrary authority shitting his judgment onto the consciousness of people that have trouble making up their own minds.

Also, early morning (Eastern time) post. Smacking this asshole down must've been high on Sterling's "To do" list.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:36
Orionsaint
Were the comments removed from orlando sentinel site? I and some other fellow left comments, now they're gone?
Wookiee's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:36
Wookiee
Well, that guy's an ignorant heartless SOB. Call me a softy, but I cried on eyes out on any number of occasions. Either on the inside or for real.

-The End of Half-Life 2 Ep. 2
-(Obviously) Areis' fate
-The bad ending of The Force Unleashed (but at least you get one of the coolest costumes in the game for it)
-When Link and Saria parted ways
-Any number of moments throughout the Metal Gear series
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:38
Clance
I think the man has a point but he has overexaggerated it to an unneccesary extreme...

Barring the odd exception, films are far more superior to games when it comes to emotional attachments, in my opinion, while games are gradually catching up. Mind you, the subject matter for films strecthes from Bambi to Brokeback Mountain.

It was a point that didn't need to be made in such a way but it does raise an interesting discussion, just like the idea of recognisable "directors" of games immerging to give the industry some more recognition to the mainstream media - what else does the games industry need to get the world's attention?
Murumasa123's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:42
Murumasa123
Yay now a blog has been written his mind will change. Oh wait the world doesn't work like that does it? Damn
randombullseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:42
randombullseye
Wait until gamers play Bonerquest, that will make everyone cry.
exodus1925's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:45
exodus1925
Oh man, ending of Half Life episode 2. Well done Jim, you've brought back my repressed emotions.
lrgdup's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 03:47
lrgdup
You should link Roger Moore to this page.

Rmoore@Orlandosentinel.Com

This is also not the first time he came off as pretentious, ignorant, close-minded, and smug:

http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=291

I don't know why Florida hasn't found a better movie critic for the Orlando Sentinel yet.

This guy is a douchebag.
Rainbowblack's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 04:03
Rainbowblack
what a bag of hot air, the guy has probably never touched a controller since the days of pacman and has the call the call us out

lost odyssey end of disk one, and klonoas ending made me cry

I curled into a fetal position and cried like a toddler in a crowd of people watching million dollar baby
nintendoll's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 04:07
nintendoll
I cried at the end of FFX. So sad ;_;

If you can get attached to a movie character in less that two hours, imagine how attached you can get to a game character who you follow through 50+ hours.
Archanai's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 04:08
Archanai
Moore's official email address:

moore@orlandosentinel.com
KaL YoshiKa's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 04:16
KaL YoshiKa
Surprised no one has mentioned the ending for The Longest Journey : Dreamfall yet. I will now spoil it and SHAME ON YOU if you haven't played it yet and are spoiled slightly. Not only do several key characters die (or seem to) the bad guys...FREAKING WIN and the lead character gets stuck in a coma/brain dead situation and then to top it all off your purple monkey friend says the most heart breaking line about wanting to play with the lead character when they wake up.

I am not ashamed to say I cried...the tears are welling up now just thinking about it...
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 04:19
Clance
Listen, I've done the whole email thing and you get nothing back for your troubles. It was The Sun though, which you expect nothing less (or more) from.

If anybody does email him, just say that he could have raised a good question as to whether or not games can have the same emotional effect as films do. Maybe not, maybe so, but his extreme point of view was a pathetic stance, undermining millions of people.
xe-cute's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 04:31
xe-cute
I don't think anyone has ever cried over the death of a film critic.... can we shoot him in the face?
DrXym's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 04:33
DrXym
Jesus, listen to the angry tone of this story. How dare a film critic raise an interesting point about the emotional disconnect in video games!

Games ARE by and large shallow, emotionless experiences. If you die, you respawn at the checkpoint or reload your last save. Even those games with a story of some kind rarely connect with the player because the plot is usually linear, shallow and meaningless. Or its the other extreme and the plot is meaninglessly complex akin to a comic book where if someone dies because they'll probably get resurrected in the sequel or something.

Usually somebody drags out Shadow of the Colossus as a game with some kind of moral backbone. Maybe it does, but where are the others? Most movies are vapid too but there are plenty that push the right buttons.

Perhaps game stories just suck. Perhaps games alter the way viewers / players interact and see characters. I expect the answer is a little of both.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 04:34
Orionsaint
The Ending of Half-Life 2 Ep. 2 was not only sad. It was shocking!
Archanai's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 04:36
Archanai
Clance: that's basically what I did. I also told him that a certain gamer-blog site that gets an average of 80,000 unique hits per day has a front page article on his review...

I doubt that he will ever read it, but it helped make me less angry.
Rifter01's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 04:41
Rifter01
Oh man.. I wish this would have happened when I was taking my Honors English 2 class at my University! (The focus of the class was Film & Cinema.)

I would have had all the great research paper material I needed! If the writer/producer/director of a particular movie can communicate emotion through imagery, musical score (orchestra & movie music), and all that, then I think the same can be done with the story in video games.

Basically, with regard to the audience emotions, as long as suspension of disbelief is maintained, then the media matters not, IMO.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 04:47
Clance
@Archanai,

Fair play to you. Perhaps he will not be able to resist looking. Unfortunately, quotes like "I don't think anyone has ever cried over the death of a film critic.... can we shoot him in the face?" will not garner any kind of genuine response or change of attitude.
bVork's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 04:47
bVork
@ DrXym

There are, no doubt, plenty of games that are shallow crap. But there are also games like Trinity, Planetfall, A Mind Forever Voyaging, Planescape Torment, The Longest Journey, Grim Fandango, and Syberia that contain powerful and moving stories.

I like how you slander comic books as well. Sure, there's a lot of crap out there, but there's also Maus, Watchmen, and Bone.
liam2015's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 05:06
liam2015
Well fuck you too, Roger Moore.
Tristero's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 05:14
Tristero
@Orcist:

I'm on the fourth disc of Lost Odyssey right now. It's such a sweet miasma of grief and suffering.
randombullseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 05:43
randombullseye
Everyone always posts about these movie critics and gets everyone to whine about what they say.

Pro Tip: Games are art. Even if a movie critic says they aren't.

Jim next review you do for a game based on a movie, say that no one ever cried about a movie characters death. See if movie buffs then talk about it, on the internet.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 05:53
Jim Sterling
"Yay now a blog has been written his mind will change. Oh wait the world doesn't work like that does it? Damn"

Comments like this are fucking stupid.
xe-cute's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 05:54
xe-cute
@ DrXym

HOW DARE YOU...


I cried every time my Mario died, for every Lemming in lemmings that did not make it to the end. Everytime I respawned in Halo I lost a part of my soul to the emotional pain and distress it caused me.


How dare you say most games are shallow compared to movies death scenes such as:

The Green Mile
A walk to remember
Moulin Rouge
My life without me
Ladder 49
Nouvelle France
Life as a house
Titanic
E.T. - E.T. Dies.
Bambi - Bambis mother dies.
The Lion King - Simbas Father Dies.
City of Angels - Meg Ryan dies
Homeward Bound - Shadow's last words.
Mickey Christmas Carol - Tiny Tim
Cocoon - Pool Scene
Grumpier Old Men - Pop Dies
All Dogs go to Heaven - The Ending
I am Legend - Remembering Sam the dog
Honey, I Shrunk the Kids - Ant dies
Short Circuit 2 - Johnny 5 broken
The Outsiders - Johnny Dies
Never Ending Story 2 - Memory of Mother
Lassie - Lassie drowns
Click - Adam Sandler dies (lulz)
Planes, Trains and Automobiles - The station scene
Rocky 3 - Mickey dies
My Girl - the Funeral
Edward Scissorhands - Vincent dies
Radio - Mother dies
Lord of the Rings - Frodo leaves
Forrest Gump - Missing Jenny.


How preposterous.
sirinth's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 05:56
sirinth
@KaL_YoshiKa

I'm glad I'm not the only one that finished Dreamfall.
There were a lot of emotional points in that game. Been a while since I even thought of the game, though. Thanks for the memories.


How come no one's brought up having to incinerate your companion cube in Portal? Srsly.
Jetsetlemming's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 05:57
Jetsetlemming
Somebody needs to link him to the finale of Metal Gear Solid 3. :'( Boss!
Slique's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 05:59
Slique
It amazes me how people can still be so ignorant nowadays. Story based videogames have been around for, what, well over 15 years now?
Bus's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 06:00
Bus
In other news, Barack Obama's a muslim and people have other ridiculous opinions created through the sheer power of their ignorance. Pointless whining (including groundless Internet death threats) at 11 followed by the gradual realization that we are not this man's target audience and that listening to him is a colossal waste of time.

@lrgdup
Yikes. Attacking Kevin Smith's rampant commercialization of his own life? Where does this guy get off? Thank God Smith has a blog in order to defend himself from pretty much anyone who takes issue with the joke that has become his career. Also, great advertising opportunity! It's win every which way you slice it!
randombullseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 06:00
randombullseye
@
""Yay now a blog has been written his mind will change. Oh wait the world doesn't work like that does it? Damn"

Comments like this are fucking stupid."

Comments on the internet are fucking stupid. Didn't you read that onion article about the town idiot posting comments?
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 06:07
Jim Sterling
Some of "talking about it is pointless, let's ignore it" comments do little to stop the stereotype of gamers as apathetic non-entities btw.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 06:09
CALkulon
Aerith, that was totally gutting, he really needs to play through FF7.

Also 'that' moment in the Darkness - didn't cry but I was totally enraged by it, so don't try and tell me theres no emotional connection!
the Golden Avatar's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 06:10
the Golden Avatar
I played the Longest Journey and really enjoyed it but never got around to playing Dreamfall because I read it wasn't nearly as good. I bought it on Steam awhile back; guess I should get around to it.
bVork's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2008 06:13
bVork
Dreamfall tells an excellent story. The problem lies in the gameplay. It would have worked so much better as a pure adventure game without combat or stealth. It's one of the few games I played through solely on the strength of the plot, because the gameplay certainly wasn't holding my interest. I appreciate what it tried to do for the adventure genre, but it was a failed experiment.
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