1:46 PM on 02.21.2008
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If you counted yourself among the many that were looking forward to seeing voice chat make an appearance in Super Smash Bros. Brawl for the Wii, your hopes have just been dashed. Speaking with IGN, Masahiro Sakurai let the bad news slip: "Well, when I first started making Smash Bros. Brawl, I thought it would be wonderful if online battles between friends had voice chat and potentially keyboard based chat as well. But there are all sorts of rules and regulations regarding communication on the Wii platform and so it was apparent to me that it just wouldn't come together, we weren't going to be able to do it, so we decided to cancel that feature. I'm very sorry about that. But if you're really desperate for it, you could set up Skype by your game station and go at it with a friend if you like"
This was never a deal-breaker for me, but I'm still pondering over that part about "all sorts of rules and regulations" concerning communications on the Wii platform. So this isn't something mandated by the FCC, but rather an internal Nintendo thing? So much for Nintendo's claim of avoiding the pitfalls of restrictions. Sad news indeed, but we all know this game's going to rock, regardless of this. [Thanks, Adam!]
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Yeah I read that on IGN earlier today. I am not too concerned about voicechat, but what upsets me is that there are no online leaderboards.
Didn't we know this already from the Dojo?
Either way, Nintendo dropped the ball with online.
Do you really want a 14 year old calling you expletives?
If I really want to have voice chat, organize a chat room in steam or vent/teamspeak if you have a laptop that you can set somewhere near you while you play brawl.
Better reason to invite friends over. Win win, coupled with the fact I don't have to hear a 7 or 35 year old bitching at me.
I wasn't really disappointed that Brawl didn't have voice chat, because I never thought it would to begin with. But now that I know that it's a feature Sakurai was thinking about and wanted to implement, I'm bitter.
Damn Nintendo and their online strategy.
Apparently unlike CaffeinePowered, I personally don't own a laptop or have a computer within range of my Wii set-up. So, I am definitely going to miss voice chat. That is, however, only if I decide to play online. I'm pretty sure I'd rather just buy some new Wiimotes and play with my roommates. As Rockvillian said, win win.
Thats really disappointing. I would love to have voice chat WITH FRIENDS ONLY
I, for one, think it kind of sucks. I would have loved it in Strikers. I mean, it would obviously have a mute option.
I'm not surprised at all, though I would have loved for it to be in there somehow. Oh well, I suppose that's what Skype, Ventrillo, and TeamSpeak are for.
@B - Having people over is always better, just if I want to play with someone I know online, its nice to have at least something, even if Nintendo is being retarted. At least friends should be able to chat
That's actually a positive in my book.
It sounds like Nintendo just doesn't want to deal with foul-mouthed douchenuggets, ala Halo 3 and Bungie. Good call.
Bad decision. Nintendo should give us the choice. If we choose not to use it, so be it. However, I tool don't like the idea of screwing around with a man's original vision.
Nintendo always fucks up when it comes to online play, so I wasn't really expecting voice chat to begin with. That said, I would really like for them to surprise me one of these days.
@Casual Weaponry: That's what the mute button is for, this is bullshit. Why does the DS have a BUILT IN microphone, yet nintendo wont let it's developers include such a thing in the wii? Arent consoles supposed to improve on handhelds? This is bullshit.
Though, we knew this already.
Know what's funny? When I used to play ragnarok online with my friends, the easiest way to set up voice chat was by starting a halo 2 lobby, inviting everyone to it and just chatting away in there. Wouldn't it be silly if I ended up doing the same thing for brawl?
This is a surprise to people? Based on all the layers of obscurity and protection in the wii, this is par for the course.
Angry homophobic 12 year olds can't call me racial slurs all game? I don't have to mute half of the players.
It's not that bad...I was disappointed that there's no leader boards, but you can't really have that when the rules of every match can be different.
Play brawl for fun, join the tournament scene if you want to be a ranked player. I'm sure they'll do some ranked matches online in a regulated way through friend's lists
Holy shit Nintendo! Get with the times you fucking dinosaurs! Still buying this day one though.
Nintendo, all the pedobears are playing Halo, stop jerking around and deliver us some decent multiplayer...
I don't care either way. This could be a good thing, like Luigi takes over said, no screaming 12 year olds.
voice chat would just lag online play anyway. check Dark Resurrection online.
Not a deal breaker. I won't miss those pre-teen retards calling everybody every homophobic and xenophobic name under the sun.
And I've only used teamspeak for tactical games that really benefit from it. Sometimes you just wanna fight realistic AI, if that means against muted human controlled players, so be it.
No leaderboards or score keeping...
The LEAST they could do is allow voice chat with friendplay.
WHY does Nintendo refuse to offer BASIC online features? Why?
I thought everyone knew that there wasn't going to be voice chat by now.
Man, Nintendo just keeps on surprising me. Whereas voice chat and a bunch of other online capabilities seem old hat to Sony or MS, Nintendo can't get past Interwubs 101. I just hope the online mode in acceptable, and runs near-flawlessly.
Nevertheless, I'll be waiting in line for this puppy.
Good move by Nintendo. I wouldn't want somebody to say FUCK, SHIT, BITCH or ASS during Brawl. That would just ruin the entire game.
Yeah I agree with Deiga.
I really thought the Wii would be different with all of the online features they've implemented out of game (like the online VC shopping, Miis, etc.)
But at the same time they're still leaving their in game online functions back in the stone age.
I'll still have a blast in SSBB but I would have really liked there to be some sort of competition aspect online I could partake in.
Your friends can see your custom taunt speech bubbles. That's good enough for communication. What the hell are you gonna talk about during a match anyway? besides say "Ah jeez oh fuck that bomb just screwed me"
Does Virtual Fighter 5 have voice chat? in fighting games its really not necessary. Like JustLikeBuck says, It's pretty much for games with large teams.
It would've been nice to have voice chat, but its certainly nothing I was expecting and certainly nothing to gripe about
Nintendo is lying. Although you were all naive to think they would include voice chat in the first place.
There's no rules and regs preventing voice chat. Sony and M$ have been doing it for years already.
Nintendo just doesn't want to have to deal with the uncensored and out-of-control atmosphere that online chat often breeds.
Smart for them, sucks for us. But please don't think there's some horseshit "rules and regulations" preventing it from happening.
They just don't want to have to deal with the blow back that comes from when little Billy and his friends steal the neighbor's WiFi and learn all the cuss words in existence in an evening.
the wii makes me sad.
After all the other online features they've shot down, was anyone seriously expecting Nintendo to implement this?
I'd like to have voice chat for friend matches, but this still isn't that big of a deal. The multiplayer will rock just as hard without hearing random strangers insult your sexuality constantly during the matches.
Im not complaining, since I was expecting this. It just dissapoints me because I have this eerie feeling we'll be hearing the same thing when Mario Kart comes out.
Seriously, you guys expected anything less? We are still talking about Nintendo right?
It's about the game not the chat, and especially not the expletives.
Who cares, people usually just take the opportunity to belittle people or come up with some inventive way to be an asshole. It's not like you need to talk strategy with a friend or something.
You mean I won't be able to hear, "NO FUCKING MARIO CIRCUIT LEVEL I WANNA PLAY FINAL DESTINATION THIS IS BULLSH- I WANT NO POKEBALLS THEYRE CHEAP, YOU ARE ALL FAGS" in my games? Oh I weep so sullen.
Not a deal breaker at all.
In order to get the online experience out of my nintendo titles, I have a 33 minute MP3 loop of some guy calling me a jewfag. Its so real you can't tell the difference.
Not complaining because Nintendo is known for it's online incompetence is stupid. Why do we continue to give them a free pass? Their online system is shit, friend codes are shit (stop kidding yourselves, people), and their online store interface is shit.
If you don't want to use voice-chat for fear of little kids screaming, than that's fine. There should be a choice for that, though. On XBOX if you don't want to hear people talking that aren't on your friends list you can do that. You can auto mute everyone other than the people on your friends list by going to your settings.
At least let us talk to the people we know. This whole fear of child offenders is retarded. If Nintendo is going to treat it's system like a child's toy than so will I.
"you could set up Skype by your game station and go at it with a friend if you like"
Oh, that's fucking convenient. For a system who pushes simplicity over a long list of features, that's ass.
Nintendo fears teh innernetz!
Oh come on now, Nintendo are just protecting us all from those notorious pedophiles on the internets who try and get us to play porno games like Mass Effect and other murder simulators.
I would much rather prefer an environment where I can't communicate whatsoever to the pedophiles + be able to play a fighting game that ISN'T a murder simulator because it is Nintendo and all and they have the limp-dick approach to gaming right now.
I'm in the I don't really care either way camp. No, there aren't any rules that regulate voice chat as far as the gov't goes. I think it is one of Nintendo's rules in order to keep their console more "family friendly." Maybe a third party dev won't have to follow the rules quite so strictly when they start to implement online feature in their games on the Wii. I'm with Luigi, voice chat really isn't all that necessary in fighting games. If you really are that driven to call each other fucktards, then you can do it in steam/vent/teamspeak/IRC?/skype.
Dude, why the hell are you still surprised with that? brawl is already out in japan, we'll get the same game but in english. we already know everything that is to know about brawl.
I was pulling for voice chat to happen. But if it aint so, I am fine with that.
@Luigitakesover
Yes Virtua Fighter 5 does have voice chat, as does any game with online features on a console that isn't a Nintendo one, its a rather basic feature.
Nice to see the defenders as usual, no wonder Nintendo does so well when they morons like you guys on their side, "I don't wanna hear some kid calling me a fag so who cares", right that's fine but voice chat has many uses, say you want to play with a friend that's far off, maybe a family member, can't do it now other Caffeine's ridiculous idea of setting up Skype(because all of us own laptops right?).
Voice chat is optional in any game really, if I'm alone I don't use it but if I play with FRIENDS I'd like to chat with them, Nintendo as usual doesn't give you the choice.
And of course people will still buy their products and defend them.
Guys, stop treating Nintendo like the special ed kids in school.
"Oh, it's Nintendo. It's OK, guys. They don't know any better. They don't have to adhere to the new online video game standards. Especially one that is a standard in all online video games on the rest of it's competitors."
It's rare that I agree with Kyousuke Nanbu because he's always negative, but this time I couldn't agree more.
Most Dtoiders seem to game with each other while talking on Vent anyway, so I don't think it's a big deal for our community. I can see why Nintendo might want to do it, though, given how people are always jumping on the Wii and DS as portals to pedos and such.
Xbox Live, the official voice chat of Smash Brothers.
Christ people, what's all this "win-win" bullshit?
Voice chat could be disabled by default. Less ideally, but still okay, would be the ability to voice chat with friends only. Y'all act like the only thing voice chat is good for is trash talking but I generally play Smash Bros with my brother and our friends. When I'm not in the same house as them—which is going to be usually for Brawl since we all have or will have our own Wiis—I'd like to be able to talk to them just like I would if we were sitting on the couch.
We play games not just to "play the game" but also because we're all friends and we like hanging out and a big part of that is talking, both about the game and other stuff. Saying the lack of this ability is somehow a good thing, as if it would have gotten in the way, is ridiculous. Not all my friends have a laptop or the equipment to be online with two devices in the same room. I do, but not everyone I'll be playing with.
This is complete bullshit. Nintendo reminds me of the Chinese government sometimes. Next thing you know they'll be limiting how long you can play a given game within a 24-hour period and citing it as a "feature", and the game developer, like Sakurai, will advise some equally ridiculous workaround like buying a second or third Wii or running multiple games on multiple memory cards.
A bit extreme and exaggerated, but it's in the same vain.
I don't check The Dojo often because I've got a lot of stuff I'm busy with, so this is the first I've heard of the feature cut. I was really looking forward to it, too. :(
*vein, not vain
(damn it)
Just think, though: People are posting upskirt videos and images. Do you really want to take that chance with voice chat?
damn man, even advance wars for the DS supports that by now... how lame is that!
lol @ Ritalin Twitch
Though having the option would have been nice, I'm not especially heartbroken over this one.
Darn, I won't be able to give tactical information to other players in a game that so desperately needs it.
I don't know if anybody mentioned this cause there are many comments but the Wiimote doesn't have a mic built into it, the DS does. Anyways...it sucks but this just means that Nintendo is looking out for people and kids.
I am trying to look at this piece of poo positively!
Well I don't care. I'd rather be upset if a match lagged because of voice-chat and SSBB is a game where there must not be any lag so yeah, stfu about no voice-chat, if you want it so badly you'll find a solution, if not don't buy the game, simple as that.
You people are missing the point. And it's obvious why.
Brawl doesn't need voice chat. It's as simple as that.
All these anti-pedo measures are crimping our style... I wanted to play SSBB with my brother and be able to talk trash like we did back with the original... now I gotta make a phone call? And if voice chat's going to kill the bandwidth, the issue would be with the Wiis network coding. Great console, but you don't have to guzzle Nintendo's koolaid so readily.
@vexed alex:
Missing the point? Why? Because we have an opinion? As GoldBond and many others said: You don't need voice-chat in Brawl, you only get to experience Brawl truly if you invite friends over. I agree that it's shitty without leaderboards but hey, the game has so much content I won't miss it. So plz go play Halo 3 again, a game which unlike SSBB relies on online-play, and stop trolling about no voice-chat.
"Im so lonely...."
"Mom says one day Ill get a big-boy console"
Ah gawd Klytus just stfu. Why don't you take a trip to the smash bros. dojo and look by yourself what brawl is all about?
Seriously, why would IGN waste a question on that? I don't really understand why this is even news.
Horray! I'll be able to enjoy my online brawl in peace rather than having to put up with the incoherent ramblings of some 13-year-old kid! Thank God!
@MrBas
No dude, you're definitely missing the point. I'm glad all your friends who want to play Brawl live within driving distance. That's great. Awesome for you. But not everyone has that luxury. A lot of my friends live in Orlando which is about a 3 hour drive from me. I'd like to play them AND be able to talk to them without having to run up my phone bill.
The point though is that this is basic shit that only Nintendo seems to get away with. You don't to voice chat with your friends, cool. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be an option.
Again though, this doesn't make or break SSBB, it just sucks that Nintendo treats it's entire audience like toddlers.
wow, this got ridiculously heated, very quickly.
Personally I don't think Brawl needs voice chat, even when I play with friends we really don't say much during the matches anyway. It really makes the taunts that much more effective as well, especially with each character having four now. I can see why people might think its a good idea, but its really not necessary.
I'm not defending Nintendo either, when it comes to online they are completely inept, but this choice seems to be better for the GAMEPLAY, which is all I care about. The less lag the better, and its free... and its wireless. SO even though it seems like they are in the stone age, you might want to think about the actual decision for this SITUATION. It was the best option, I think.
I am kinda disappointed by peoples reaction to this. Are we so impressed by this game we are forgetting some of the expectaions we should be holding developers to? If you dont want to hear some 13 year old talk shit then we should be able to pull up the menu and turn voice chat off (hell put a parental code on this feature if need be). Why should we be setting up skype on a seperate computer? If Xbox 360 and PS3 game developers created a FPS without built in voice would that be acceptable?
I love nintendo, I cant wait to play this game, But we need to hold Nintendo to higher expections than we do right now. No voice chat?
No harddrive?
These shortcomings are unacceptable in this day of gaming.
Fanboys have fun flaming me if you want :)
I don't really care about no voice chat or the gimped online system. It's the disappointing final roster that gets me.
It's a Nintendo thing, Nintendo loves friends codes for the same reason they despise voice chat with "strangers". They really want to protect the "E for Everyone" crowd from the "M for Mature" Crowd.
Basically the [unwritten] rule is, "If you can guarantee that the 10 and under crowd will never hear any naught-bits over voice/text chat, then go for it, otherwise, forget it."
I mean the only way you can chat is if you exchange friends codes. I guess this is a safeguard, Nintendo figures you should at least know the person before you can freely chat with them. It's a sucky system, but until voice chat can be filtered/censored, what can ya do?
Simple minded Nintendo strikes again!
@GuitarAtomik
There's always a solution for everything, if you want it so badly you'll find one. As many said (including myself) smash bros was never about online, it's a neat addition and I fully understand that people appreciate it but please, we're still talking about Nintendo. They have their own philosophy and if you don't accept it like I did years ago... well then that's bad for you. It's like getting a XBOX360 and expecting a bunch of good non-shooting Multiplayer-Fun-Games like Mario Kart or Smash Bros.
I don't think that the exclusion of voice-chat is going to ruin the game for anybody, so fuck this whole discussion, some people just bought a Wii expecting a Online-Monster...
I'd rather have voice-chat or at least text (you'll get really fast and in fact I'm writing this on my Wii) with your friends between the matches like Mario Kart and I admit that this truly is a shame but during the match? No thanks. There are so many games other games where voice-chat makes sense like teh haloz, Gears and any other FPS but SSB?
Ah and because I know that many will see me as a wannabe phoenix wright/apollo justice for Ninty I've collected a few things I don't like about them, enjoy:
1. friggin sport-based mario games and general abuse of the franchise, like they couldn't have figured out an other one.
2. Overpriced VC-Games
3. No Wii HDD or Flash storage device
4. Friend Codes
and so on...
The difference between you and me is that I've learned to live with Nintendos faults and in my eyes they seem minor if you compare them with the competition, they just hit the soft spot. If Ninty can't deliver me an experience I wish for I'll just play it on another platform, it's not like it's going to kill me.
If it was voice chat enabled, there'd be freakout scare pieces on the local news somewhere, guaranteed. Just like with Pictochat.
Sucks, but doesn't bother me personally too much. As has been pointed out, most conversation during a match amounts to "Fuck! I died," or "Pikachu is cheap and I hope you get cancer."