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cliffy b indifferent to pc gamers ehh? i am pretty sure the feeling is reciprocated, as epic hasn't released a game thats actually good since unreal tournament 1999.
The nerve they have....but it's ok, I've been boycotting Epic Games ever since UT3, you've abandoned your most die hard fans after the 'Titan Pack' What a half-assed port that was.
But it's ok. If for some reason Xbox360/PS3 aren't profitable anymore, you'll naturally return to the PC, hoping to gain your fans again.
Fat. Fucking. Chance.
After all, maybe facebook will save PC Gaming right Mark Rein? It's such a cesspool right now, with the so called ''piracy'' going on.
Pagh. I will be the first to deny you, and many more will.
2c.
But it's ok. If for some reason Xbox360/PS3 aren't profitable anymore, you'll naturally return to the PC, hoping to gain your fans again.
Fat. Fucking. Chance.
After all, maybe facebook will save PC Gaming right Mark Rein? It's such a cesspool right now, with the so called ''piracy'' going on.
Pagh. I will be the first to deny you, and many more will.
2c.
FLAME WAR FLAME WAR FLAME WAR FLAME WAR FLAME WAR!
Well actually no.
Seriosuly, guys, let's just leave people's preferences for what gaming system/control scheme to themselves? Its all just a matter of opinion.
Then again, people will completely ignore the rest of this post and will take my comment too seriously, and start an actual flame war.
Well actually no.
Seriosuly, guys, let's just leave people's preferences for what gaming system/control scheme to themselves? Its all just a matter of opinion.
Then again, people will completely ignore the rest of this post and will take my comment too seriously, and start an actual flame war.
Well, this really doesn't make sense. A demo doesn't cost that much to do and, since I'd like to see how the PC version runs, this would have helped my decision. Now I'm just going to wait until one of my idiot friends buys the game and then borrow from them. Why the hell should I pay for something that could potentially not work?
I thought Bulletstorm was leaning towards being more PC emphasized and all, but oh well. I'll probably still buy it at some point near release. I suppose it is really inconvenient with people who might be unsure if it'll run on their machines and such, however. So long as the PC version is given the things that PC games need for good multiplayer, I don't mind in the long run.
meh. i dont care. ill try it out on my 360 and if i like it ill get it on my pc. though in all honesty epic is being dumb. with the massive amount of piracy they should do everything they can to try to stop it. for instance - give us a demo so people cant use the "I wanna try it before i buy it" reason for piracy
Apparently "PC gamer" is just one thing. Like it's a hive mind, or something.
Anyway, PC's require a demo much more then a console player requires one. PC gamers won't have total confirmation that it even runs on their computer at all without one, whereas console gamers just want to see if it's fun or not. Maybe there's a good reason people think not giving demo's for PC games is a stupid idea.
Anyway, PC's require a demo much more then a console player requires one. PC gamers won't have total confirmation that it even runs on their computer at all without one, whereas console gamers just want to see if it's fun or not. Maybe there's a good reason people think not giving demo's for PC games is a stupid idea.
More like "No PC demo has only magnified my Apathy for this title", probably no buy from me, since I can't sell back PC games to at least get SOME money back.
No offense Sterling but you need new friends, this guy just seems like a ass (yes I do know you are an ass yourself). Still not wise to insult a group of people who, you know, you want to buy your game. My personal opinion this guy deserves any insults he has thrown at him. Its also not wise to insult them knowing full well they can play your game and not have to actually pay for it. So yes you insult a group of people expect some flaming coming your way.
What runtheplacered said.
Honestly, the whole PC not getting a demo thing wouldn't really bother me at all if it weren't for the fact that I now have no idea if the game will even run on my system. When I first built my PC a year and a half ago it refused to load any source games past the Valve logo. My 4 year old GenericStoreBrand PC loaded it, but was too old to handle it on anything past medium settings. This resolved itself over time (probably due to a graphics driver update), but it demonstrates the point.
I feel almost like it should a necessity to release some sort of demo for higher-profile PC games because no one computer will run every game, no matter how powerful. Even if it's not really a demo, but some sort of test-build where all it does is load the game engine and let you walk around an empty level. I just want to know that I'm not paying $50-$60 on a game I can't load or play, nor can I return to the store/Steam because, by nature, it's a PC game.
Anyone remember way back when Black Ops launched? When at least half of everyone who bought it on PC either couldn't run it decently or play it at all? A demo or test-build might have helped to prevent that debacle. Might be a good idea to make one.
Honestly, the whole PC not getting a demo thing wouldn't really bother me at all if it weren't for the fact that I now have no idea if the game will even run on my system. When I first built my PC a year and a half ago it refused to load any source games past the Valve logo. My 4 year old GenericStoreBrand PC loaded it, but was too old to handle it on anything past medium settings. This resolved itself over time (probably due to a graphics driver update), but it demonstrates the point.
I feel almost like it should a necessity to release some sort of demo for higher-profile PC games because no one computer will run every game, no matter how powerful. Even if it's not really a demo, but some sort of test-build where all it does is load the game engine and let you walk around an empty level. I just want to know that I'm not paying $50-$60 on a game I can't load or play, nor can I return to the store/Steam because, by nature, it's a PC game.
Anyone remember way back when Black Ops launched? When at least half of everyone who bought it on PC either couldn't run it decently or play it at all? A demo or test-build might have helped to prevent that debacle. Might be a good idea to make one.
And by the last couple "it"s in that first paragraph, I really meant "them", in reference to the Source games.
Also, *$50-60 FOR a game
Edit button, I miss you. Our time together was short but sweet.
Also, *$50-60 FOR a game
Edit button, I miss you. Our time together was short but sweet.
@BenPerLee
Despite a few PC gamers being actually like that, most aren't. As a long-time PC gamer that had to deal with people of the gaming community for over 4 years (online and offline), I say with certainty that PC gamers are actually the most mature. Your comment alone is a testament to that :P.
Anyway, on topic: I personally never download demos so this doesn't mean anything to me, but it still sucks and the snarky comment is kind of meh.
Despite a few PC gamers being actually like that, most aren't. As a long-time PC gamer that had to deal with people of the gaming community for over 4 years (online and offline), I say with certainty that PC gamers are actually the most mature. Your comment alone is a testament to that :P.
Anyway, on topic: I personally never download demos so this doesn't mean anything to me, but it still sucks and the snarky comment is kind of meh.
PC gamers are always grumpy or elitest snobs - they're like hip hop artist always trying to show off there diamond chains aka rigs and to them a console is like beads - but whatever you get use to'em after awhile.
"inadvertently justifying a developer's choice to ignore the PC market"
OK, I can't rent the game, I do not have a demo, I can't test multiplayer with the copy of a friend. What the fuck do you suggest then?
OK, I can't rent the game, I do not have a demo, I can't test multiplayer with the copy of a friend. What the fuck do you suggest then?
@choosen: I find it funny that people label pc players as elitist snobs while failing to look at a few of the ps3 crowd. Dumbasses are also wide spread across all platforms, I have meet my fair share of idiots. Most notable is someone who thought the original FF Tactics was on the Game Boy Advance :(. On a more non related note I hate Hip Hop BTW.
So I expect one or two copies of the pc version to be sold, followed by no more sales and 100% piracy. With people like Cliffy B saying stuff like this, his games deserve to be completely pirated.
I don't know what's worse, the threatening of piracy from gamers or the blanket statement that all PC gamers are thieves made by Cliffy B around the GoW2 release.
Hey, I just got another tweet from CliffyB:
"To all PC gamers: I know I wouldn't have a career without your support over the years, but I've outgrown you now. Suck it! Also, buy Bulletstorm anyway, losers!"
Also, lol @ everyone who thinks console gamers wouldn't flock to piracy like flies to sun-ripened mayonnaise if it were as simple as it is on a PC.
"To all PC gamers: I know I wouldn't have a career without your support over the years, but I've outgrown you now. Suck it! Also, buy Bulletstorm anyway, losers!"
Also, lol @ everyone who thinks console gamers wouldn't flock to piracy like flies to sun-ripened mayonnaise if it were as simple as it is on a PC.
PC gamer reporting in.
I see the developers are fucking us over again. When have they not? I mean com'n - Even VALVe the greatest developer of all time... gives us a little surprise buttsex.
PS. I'm just gonna DL the demo on my 360... as soon a I dust it off.
I see the developers are fucking us over again. When have they not? I mean com'n - Even VALVe the greatest developer of all time... gives us a little surprise buttsex.
PS. I'm just gonna DL the demo on my 360... as soon a I dust it off.
Any sort of tweet by this douchebag should be accompanied by the Backstreet Boys photo of him.
Bulletstorm looks lame, the Unreal *yawn* Engine, and EA publishing. That's 3 strikes.
Bulletstorm looks lame, the Unreal *yawn* Engine, and EA publishing. That's 3 strikes.
I would say I am more sarcastic than grumpy but at least I have my 360 hooked up to my pc monitor if only it done picture in picture pc and 360 gaming at the same time :)
aside from hardcore Democrats, PC gamers are the biggest bunch of intellectually dishonest crybabies on the internets. good on Bleszinski for calling them out.
I am so sick and tired of every Dev dissing PC gamers as a whole. I told Cliffy B in twitter to F himself & Epic games. We supported Cliffy B and Unreal & We made Cliffy who he is today. PC gamers always get shafted for some dumb ass reason.
Piracy is all over the Xbox just as much as on the PC so WHYYYYYYY does the console gamers get everything when they are just as Pirated. I think its
A: Dev are lazy & just dont want to put in the Work
I dont trust Cliffy B at all even if he gives us the game. It most likely will be a bad Console port & they will most likely give us no Support at all anyways. Look at Gears 1. They gave us Gears 1 & not Gears 2 & 3? Cliffy B will Remember PC gamers & 4LC4PON3 & if he wants a 1 on 1 with me lets do it.
Piracy is all over the Xbox just as much as on the PC so WHYYYYYYY does the console gamers get everything when they are just as Pirated. I think its
A: Dev are lazy & just dont want to put in the Work
I dont trust Cliffy B at all even if he gives us the game. It most likely will be a bad Console port & they will most likely give us no Support at all anyways. Look at Gears 1. They gave us Gears 1 & not Gears 2 & 3? Cliffy B will Remember PC gamers & 4LC4PON3 & if he wants a 1 on 1 with me lets do it.
I'm sorry, but I cannot even begin to fathom what kind of reasoning can begin to justify this kind of douchebaggery.
I mean, any PC gamer would know that Epic simply doesn't care about PC anymore but...
I mean, any PC gamer would know that Epic simply doesn't care about PC anymore but...
PC gaming is the best because:
- uber powerful machine for amazing graphics
- makes your console look like a babies toy
- faster and more accurate controls
- amazing exclusives like farmville
- all the games are free!
don't worry cliffy, i'll still buy bulletstorm, not even you can put me off a PCF game. and yes i will be pirating for demo play.
- uber powerful machine for amazing graphics
- makes your console look like a babies toy
- faster and more accurate controls
- amazing exclusives like farmville
- all the games are free!
don't worry cliffy, i'll still buy bulletstorm, not even you can put me off a PCF game. and yes i will be pirating for demo play.
@foxhound421
"aside from hardcore Democrats, PC gamers are the biggest bunch of intellectually dishonest crybabies on the internets"
...
What?
"aside from hardcore Democrats, PC gamers are the biggest bunch of intellectually dishonest crybabies on the internets"
...
What?
Its the age of pusuit of Trolling PC gamers where the industry trys every little trick they know (ie DRM, crappy win7 / vista gamer support, 360 pad only controls)
Most PC gamers who threaten theyll pirate do so anyway, only now they think they have a moral reason to. PC gamers with morals will prolly either crack out the vasaline or buy the console version of which is probably what the publishers actually want as they make more money per game with the Console version.
I expect they are rubbing their hands in glee with all the comments here saying that they wont buy the PC the version but the console port instead. You go chaps your really sticking it to the man!
Most PC gamers who threaten theyll pirate do so anyway, only now they think they have a moral reason to. PC gamers with morals will prolly either crack out the vasaline or buy the console version of which is probably what the publishers actually want as they make more money per game with the Console version.
I expect they are rubbing their hands in glee with all the comments here saying that they wont buy the PC the version but the console port instead. You go chaps your really sticking it to the man!
@foxhound421: So when someone calls bullshit on someone else regardless of the platform they are considered a crybaby? You sir are an idiot of the highest level.
Piracy or not, I guess Gears of War 1 (maybe UT3 too) must have just had proportionally bad sales on the PC. I would say it's probably a mix of piracy and perhaps the games they make appeal more to the console crowd now. I can't blame them for following the money. I was a PC gamer for about 10 years before going console, but now that I have a new computer, I'm again doing some PC gaming.
Why do pc gamers always get the short straw when it comes to support and demos. I'm looking at you Ubisoft.
And when you do, it never fails to amuse me how many of them bring up piracy like a threat, inadvertently justifying a developer's choice to ignore the PC market.
It would take centuries to crack the layers of rationalizations that pirates have built up in order to get them to realize this. For in the pirate's world, stealing is okay if the publisher/developer does anything--anything!--to even slightly inconvenience him, and consequences be damned.
It would take centuries to crack the layers of rationalizations that pirates have built up in order to get them to realize this. For in the pirate's world, stealing is okay if the publisher/developer does anything--anything!--to even slightly inconvenience him, and consequences be damned.
Here is another example of how much of turd there is in Epic Games: http://positech.co.uk/cliffsblog/?p=769
They are sloppy, uninspired and most of all a-holes whenever they can, it seems. I will not support them nor would let this slip by in real life. They are a kiddie game company now focused on money only, as they proven and stated openly everywhere.
So the nerve of calling your customer a douche (while simultaneously topping that list in the same sentence) is not even funny. Maybe the more laughable thing would be their games that rely on old tech wrapped-up as new, rehashing the same models and ideas and surmising the gameplay to strafing and two buttons. They have nothing to show for their money and size, and lying about it through marketing and cheap statements like that will make even more people hate them.
Everyone else obviously doesn't have a clue and should read about it if they care at all.
They are sloppy, uninspired and most of all a-holes whenever they can, it seems. I will not support them nor would let this slip by in real life. They are a kiddie game company now focused on money only, as they proven and stated openly everywhere.
So the nerve of calling your customer a douche (while simultaneously topping that list in the same sentence) is not even funny. Maybe the more laughable thing would be their games that rely on old tech wrapped-up as new, rehashing the same models and ideas and surmising the gameplay to strafing and two buttons. They have nothing to show for their money and size, and lying about it through marketing and cheap statements like that will make even more people hate them.
Everyone else obviously doesn't have a clue and should read about it if they care at all.
"foxhound421: aside from hardcore Democrats, PC gamers are the biggest bunch of intellectually dishonest crybabies on the internets. good on Bleszinski for calling them out."
Funny how the only gamers I know like that are console users. Sloppy, not focused, whining at the difficulty of moving and aiming with more than two thumbs, technically inept to even troubleshoot their TV, let alone the DVD player, intellectually challenged if it is not a one button operation, talk trash about things they know little or nothing about because they can't be bothered but like to bitch when nobody knowledgeable is around, have an atrocious capacity for moving in any game environment with more than 2 dimensions...
There's loads of it, and even though you can find people like that on PC, the core usage of the platform hampers that kind of behavior because you can't be a couch dweller with a remote in front of it. So less sophisticated people don't do well, usually moving to consoles and jerking off their pecker how that experience is actually better, faster, more good looking, better controlled, more open (that's a laugh), more balanced (amother laugh), has no bugs or piracy (third's a charm) and other uneducated guesses.
So yeah, people are stirred by such nonsense. It's like trying to play football with firsttimers who yell at you why you didn't pass the ball when they were in offside. And also cocks!
Funny how the only gamers I know like that are console users. Sloppy, not focused, whining at the difficulty of moving and aiming with more than two thumbs, technically inept to even troubleshoot their TV, let alone the DVD player, intellectually challenged if it is not a one button operation, talk trash about things they know little or nothing about because they can't be bothered but like to bitch when nobody knowledgeable is around, have an atrocious capacity for moving in any game environment with more than 2 dimensions...
There's loads of it, and even though you can find people like that on PC, the core usage of the platform hampers that kind of behavior because you can't be a couch dweller with a remote in front of it. So less sophisticated people don't do well, usually moving to consoles and jerking off their pecker how that experience is actually better, faster, more good looking, better controlled, more open (that's a laugh), more balanced (amother laugh), has no bugs or piracy (third's a charm) and other uneducated guesses.
So yeah, people are stirred by such nonsense. It's like trying to play football with firsttimers who yell at you why you didn't pass the ball when they were in offside. And also cocks!
Yeah, I'd be kind of annoyed if some dude releases a game for my platform then treats it's userbase like crap just because his last PC release sucked. He wants to blame it on piracy, but I guess that's cool if he wants to ignore the insane level of piracy on consoles and continue to remain butt pained. I think Cliffy B is the grumpy one in this instance.
I was firstly a bit weary of the bit about the "hornet's nest" (kind of inflammatory), but then I scrolled down, saw "Jim Sterling" and went HOLY SHIT MOTHER OF GOD.
Well damn.
I've lost faith in Epic since they released GoW, I used to be a freaking Epic fanboy in the 2000s, But since Legend fell apart, I really do not care about them. In fact, I despise them.
And therefore, I am going to pirate Bulletstorm, And depending on how they behave towards all the pirating, I may even use other forms of revenge... *Evil Laugh*
But seriously, If the game is good, I'll buy it.
I've lost faith in Epic since they released GoW, I used to be a freaking Epic fanboy in the 2000s, But since Legend fell apart, I really do not care about them. In fact, I despise them.
And therefore, I am going to pirate Bulletstorm, And depending on how they behave towards all the pirating, I may even use other forms of revenge... *Evil Laugh*
But seriously, If the game is good, I'll buy it.
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