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Yeah it's fine that it isn't multitouch but it would be nice if they just admitted that it was the cost.
I can sort of see it, if only because multitouch works best on capacitive touch screens, which this touch screen isn't. Therefore it seems like one stylus would be best instead of trying to make it use two fingers at once.
Then again, I don't know much about touch screens, so I don't have much of a clue
Then again, I don't know much about touch screens, so I don't have much of a clue
I can sort of see it, if only because multitouch works best on capacitive touch screens, which this touch screen isn't. Therefore it seems like one stylus would be best instead of trying to make it use two fingers at once.
Then again, I don't know much about touch screens, so I don't have much of a clue
Then again, I don't know much about touch screens, so I don't have much of a clue
Frankly, multitouch is kind of terrible, especially on tablets. I can't count the number of times I've wanted to scroll and it starts zooming in. Maybe the $300 walgreens asus tablet I bought is just junk.
My only concern with this really is the fact that cost cutting measures are often an indicator of cheap construction. I wonder how sturdy the gamepad is going to end up being. Is it going to shatter if it slides off my couch and hits the ground? Will the analog sticks or buttons lose their springyness too quickly?
I don't know, multi-touch works just great on my Vita, Iphone and Ipod.
Cost is clearly the issue here, which is fine, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking multi-touch is an undesirable feature based on some Nintendo spin doctoring.
Cost is clearly the issue here, which is fine, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking multi-touch is an undesirable feature based on some Nintendo spin doctoring.
Plenty of the 7" Chinese android tabs have multi touch. I got one for £39.99 that has 5 point, so it can't be that expensive.
I don't know, multi-touch works just great on my Vita, Iphone and Ipad.
Cost is clearly the issue here, which is fine, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking multi-touch is an undesirable feature based on some Nintendo spin doctoring.
Cost is clearly the issue here, which is fine, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking multi-touch is an undesirable feature based on some Nintendo spin doctoring.
Hey , you why MindJack was shit ? The makers of the game made that "design" decision because it felt right .
I didn't think of it until now, but whatever ethnicity Jonathan Holmes is, I think Reggie is too. Reggie sort of looks like Holmes' older brother or uncle. Or is that just me?
Yeah, it makes me wonder when the industry is going to start respecting its customers enough to drop all the PR spin. I mean, saying "This is a component and not a self contained console, as such it needs to fall within a certain price bracket" is not unreasonable. Surely nobody out there would complain if they just said that?
Name 10 worthwhile games (not minigames or tech demos) where multitouch is an absolutely necessary feature for the basic experience to function (as in you couldn't engage in the basic gameplay without touch; its not just arbitrarily subbing in for buttons or a mouse pointer).
Yeah, the only reasoning is the cost. That, and it gives them the opportunity to release an upgraded GamePad in a few years...
This will be the WiiU's MotionPlus. Best wait for the WiiU XL, methinks.
This will be the WiiU's MotionPlus. Best wait for the WiiU XL, methinks.
i hate touch screens in general. nothing like getting finger smudge on a device that only uses fingers. fuckin gross
Its also cause stylus's for touchscreens like the vita/iphone SUCK SO HARD. While stylus's for the DS are nice and accurate, so the cheaper screen does benefit from the stylus aspect.
Multitouch works great on phone and tablet devices because it's the main source of input. The WiiU controller (and Vita) already has buttons and analog sticks up the ass. Multitouch seems excessive & unnecessary. I'm with the Regg.
I'd much rather have a capacitive touch screen than multi-touch, since as llort het mentioned, the screen as it is would really suck for multi-touch.
@heyricochet
I wouldn't say that the cheaper screen benefits from the stylus, but rather that the screen NECESSITATES a stylus. Cheap screens like the DS are ok if you just need to press something with your finger, but anything beyond that is awful without a stylus. There are actually good stylus for capacitive screens, but they are much different than the pieces of plastic that work for cheap screens.
@heyricochet
I wouldn't say that the cheaper screen benefits from the stylus, but rather that the screen NECESSITATES a stylus. Cheap screens like the DS are ok if you just need to press something with your finger, but anything beyond that is awful without a stylus. There are actually good stylus for capacitive screens, but they are much different than the pieces of plastic that work for cheap screens.
hurr multi touch works on my device that has no buttons so clearly it'll work perfectly well while i'm trying to control a character with analogue sticks and face buttons
It wouldn't always have to be I'n use but would be great fro scrolling maps and reading text blocks.
I suspect it won't matter much, because within a year of launch no one will be developing for WiiU with the gimmick tablet in mind -- especially now that they have that "Pro" controller. Sort of like how no one even uses the Wiimote now except for AAA Ninty titles that still insist on pushing motion controls.
just reggie justifying nintendo's shitness (and cheapness).
I wouldn't buy a system that couldn't read my dick AND my balls in the touch screen y'know.
I wouldn't buy a system that couldn't read my dick AND my balls in the touch screen y'know.
I don't think it was the cost. Resistive touch screens are better for precision work because you can use a stylus rather than big fingers. The loss of multi-touch is a small one, as it doesn't really bring anything to gaming when you have physical buttons.
Nintendo made the right choice here.
Nintendo made the right choice here.
"That said, there's nothing wrong with options, so I don't think the system would suffer for the added feature."
I kind of disagree. The 3DS's use of motion control is something that should've never happened alongside 3D. One of them should've been cut, at least to stop devs using them at the same time. And yes, I know they didn't have to use them at the same time, but when have devs ever been that smart?
As for the Wii U? Yeah, I kinda get it. Plus, hopefully it'll make devs focus on the smaller toolset, instead of trying to fit another bullet point on the box. (I'm looking at you Sixaxis.)
I kind of disagree. The 3DS's use of motion control is something that should've never happened alongside 3D. One of them should've been cut, at least to stop devs using them at the same time. And yes, I know they didn't have to use them at the same time, but when have devs ever been that smart?
As for the Wii U? Yeah, I kinda get it. Plus, hopefully it'll make devs focus on the smaller toolset, instead of trying to fit another bullet point on the box. (I'm looking at you Sixaxis.)
A proper achievement system doesn't feel right, now multitouch doesn't feel right. UGH... it really is just a glorified Wii. Goodbye, Ninendon't.
It's all based on cost and if multi-touch (Multipass) was cheaper you could bet that they would be using it.
@Tristrix
"My only concern with this really is the fact that cost cutting measures are often an indicator of cheap construction."
That's kind of a leap, isn't it?
Cheaper material costs and cheaper manufacturing are two different things.
I mean, Nintendo's quality control on hardware is kind of legendary, and they always offered the cheaper option.
Besides, this has probably more to do with Sharp offering them a deal on a screen tech they can't sell to anyone else.
"My only concern with this really is the fact that cost cutting measures are often an indicator of cheap construction."
That's kind of a leap, isn't it?
Cheaper material costs and cheaper manufacturing are two different things.
I mean, Nintendo's quality control on hardware is kind of legendary, and they always offered the cheaper option.
Besides, this has probably more to do with Sharp offering them a deal on a screen tech they can't sell to anyone else.
@El Conrado
Nintendo's "cheaper option" led to the Wii's "motion control" being "waggle control" instead, with developers wasting years trying to get motion control to work the way Nintendo promised, and Nintendo eventually releasing a controller attachment to try to fix it.
Nintendo's "cheaper option" led to the Wii's "motion control" being "waggle control" instead, with developers wasting years trying to get motion control to work the way Nintendo promised, and Nintendo eventually releasing a controller attachment to try to fix it.
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
In all seriousness, I agree with one of the opinions previously stated: If the controller was just a tablet, this would be a problem. But it's already got analog sticks and buttons. Crisis averted.
And yes, this was a blatant cost-saving measure, and the PR spin sucks.
In all seriousness, I agree with one of the opinions previously stated: If the controller was just a tablet, this would be a problem. But it's already got analog sticks and buttons. Crisis averted.
And yes, this was a blatant cost-saving measure, and the PR spin sucks.
Of course it wouldn't feel right. This is Nintendo. When have they ever kept up with technology?
Also, comparing the WiiPad to a tablet is disingenuous. This thing has a 6.2" display (smaller than any tablet on the market), it doesn't have a CPU, GPU, RAM, or any type of internal storage (which all tablets need), it doesn't have any real I/O beyond what it needs for gaming, and the battery is abysmal (half what you can get on even budget devices). And even those CVS tablets have hit the $50 mark now, not $100.
There's absolutely no excuse for Nintendo not using a capacitive display with a capacitive stylus in the Wii Tablet. Even Coby, yes FUCKING COBY, is putting out fully featured tablets with capacitive displays for under $200. And Nintendo didn't need any of those features. Just the fucking screen. That's it.
Your system has 7 year old hardware inside it, and you can't even be fucking bothered to use the same screen technology the original iPhone had in it. That's absolutely pathetic, Nintendo.
Also, comparing the WiiPad to a tablet is disingenuous. This thing has a 6.2" display (smaller than any tablet on the market), it doesn't have a CPU, GPU, RAM, or any type of internal storage (which all tablets need), it doesn't have any real I/O beyond what it needs for gaming, and the battery is abysmal (half what you can get on even budget devices). And even those CVS tablets have hit the $50 mark now, not $100.
There's absolutely no excuse for Nintendo not using a capacitive display with a capacitive stylus in the Wii Tablet. Even Coby, yes FUCKING COBY, is putting out fully featured tablets with capacitive displays for under $200. And Nintendo didn't need any of those features. Just the fucking screen. That's it.
Your system has 7 year old hardware inside it, and you can't even be fucking bothered to use the same screen technology the original iPhone had in it. That's absolutely pathetic, Nintendo.
@Baines
+1 for missing the point while using it to bash something completely unrelated.
We are talking about the build quality here, not our entirely subjective opinion on the result.
+1 for missing the point while using it to bash something completely unrelated.
We are talking about the build quality here, not our entirely subjective opinion on the result.
I'll put it this way: I have a Vita, and for all the shit that system asks us to do (READ: TOO MUCH) with its touch screens, all while trying to play and pay attention to a game, I almost welcome that there isn't 50 ways to swipe or squeeze Nintendo's gamepad..
A lot of companies seriously need to tone back this touch overload BS. So I don't' see it as a set back, or as a "cheap out" move, as much as I see it as Nintendo saying "Well, hey, they've got other things to do while they use this"
A lot of companies seriously need to tone back this touch overload BS. So I don't' see it as a set back, or as a "cheap out" move, as much as I see it as Nintendo saying "Well, hey, they've got other things to do while they use this"
@El Conrado
It isn't missing the point. It is making a related point.
Nintendo products tend to be durable, but instead risk paying the price in capability.
Saying the Wii's motion control failed to deliver on Nintendo's promises isn't subjective opinion. Nintendo promised a degree of control that the final product was unable to deliver, because Nintendo wanted to deliver a cheaper minimum.
It isn't missing the point. It is making a related point.
Nintendo products tend to be durable, but instead risk paying the price in capability.
Saying the Wii's motion control failed to deliver on Nintendo's promises isn't subjective opinion. Nintendo promised a degree of control that the final product was unable to deliver, because Nintendo wanted to deliver a cheaper minimum.
Not really a huge deal because of its sticks and buttons. If one hands uses those and the other is meant for touch control, I don't see much reason for it. I guess technically you could use the free five fingers, but I'd prefer to use my stylus.
@Baines
"It is making a related point."
Related to what? Certainly not to Tristrix concerns, or my reply to them, since manufacturing has nothing to do with your subjective approval of the final product working exactly as intended.
And yeah, opinions happen to be subjective; yours is no exception.
And I love how you keep hammering your claim about some promises never made. If you can quote me where Nintendo "promised" the kind of 1 to 1 control the Wii+ ended up delivering, not the media making that assumption, I will concede that point.
Until then, I'll call it "unsubstantiated conjecture passed as fact", which STILL happens to be totally unrelated to the point I was discussing with Tristrix.
Thank you.
"It is making a related point."
Related to what? Certainly not to Tristrix concerns, or my reply to them, since manufacturing has nothing to do with your subjective approval of the final product working exactly as intended.
And yeah, opinions happen to be subjective; yours is no exception.
And I love how you keep hammering your claim about some promises never made. If you can quote me where Nintendo "promised" the kind of 1 to 1 control the Wii+ ended up delivering, not the media making that assumption, I will concede that point.
Until then, I'll call it "unsubstantiated conjecture passed as fact", which STILL happens to be totally unrelated to the point I was discussing with Tristrix.
Thank you.
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