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Bullshit excuses. I'm tired of companies spiting on our faces saying ABSURD things like "95% of our consumers will pirate the game" or "But are these people just making noise just because there’s no version or because it’s a game they actually want to play? Would they buy it if we made it?".
When people hear the word "piracy" they seem to vomit blood, like that was the rotten cause of the evil in the world, forgetting that there's also a bunch of piracy in consoles and that A LOT of the pirates would not buy the game, thus they are not making publishers lose sales. And that most people that pirate PC games are probably also the ones that pirates console games.
I will probably write a blog about it. I'm really tired of this ignorance.
When people hear the word "piracy" they seem to vomit blood, like that was the rotten cause of the evil in the world, forgetting that there's also a bunch of piracy in consoles and that A LOT of the pirates would not buy the game, thus they are not making publishers lose sales. And that most people that pirate PC games are probably also the ones that pirates console games.
I will probably write a blog about it. I'm really tired of this ignorance.
It is quite a controversial theme, piracy is indeed an issue, but depriving customers of your game does not sound like a clever move.
@ sofik88
Perhaps you should reread my comment (if the idiot comment was addressed at me). I did not say that it was just as easy to mod consoles as Pcs. I was just commenting that it takes a little bit more work to pirate Pc games that what Mcmax3000 was suggesting.
Reading comprehension is a good thing.
Perhaps you should reread my comment (if the idiot comment was addressed at me). I did not say that it was just as easy to mod consoles as Pcs. I was just commenting that it takes a little bit more work to pirate Pc games that what Mcmax3000 was suggesting.
Reading comprehension is a good thing.
Well that's a nice alternative then isn't it? DRM failed....well then no PC games AT ALL.
I'm a PC gamer and last time I pirated a game was Crysis 2 because they did not release a demo to see if my rig could handle it, it did and so I went out and bought it.
I LOVE PC GAMING AND I BUY GAMES, there you have it a willing and paying customer. Your loss Ubisoft your loss...
I'm a PC gamer and last time I pirated a game was Crysis 2 because they did not release a demo to see if my rig could handle it, it did and so I went out and bought it.
I LOVE PC GAMING AND I BUY GAMES, there you have it a willing and paying customer. Your loss Ubisoft your loss...
This is the worst pr guy ever.
Instead of selling ghost recon online as a great pc exclusive, he sells it as "this is all you get you theiving bitches!"
Instead of selling ghost recon online as a great pc exclusive, he sells it as "this is all you get you theiving bitches!"
Yes, PC piracy is bad. Yes, console piracy and everyone knows this. I believe that it isn't the whole issue here, for me is just a company that don't know to work in alternative ways, if a company puts a shitty defensive system of course people will hate it. And i don't care about Ubisoft games anymore, fuck them and fuck their way of thinking.
And people that thinks that PC pirating is easy are really wrong, downloading a safe, with a good crack is hard because of the other many hackers that put shitty releases.
And people that thinks that PC pirating is easy are really wrong, downloading a safe, with a good crack is hard because of the other many hackers that put shitty releases.
You guys that are all "fuck Ubisoft" might be justified but you also might be a little shortsighted here. This isn't the first publisher to adopt this attitude and likely won't be the last. I'm no psychic or market analyst but I don't think you need to be either to see that EA and Activision probably aren't too far behind. When that happens I'm sure the response will be "fuck EA and Activision too" but you can only keep doing that so long and ignoring the greater issue at hand until it's too late, ya know?
So yeah, I mean... fine, fuck Ubisoft. I get that, they've never really seemed to be entirely comfortable with the PC market and it's not surprising to see them exiting it. Just... don't be surprised when it doesn't end here.
So yeah, I mean... fine, fuck Ubisoft. I get that, they've never really seemed to be entirely comfortable with the PC market and it's not surprising to see them exiting it. Just... don't be surprised when it doesn't end here.
LOL! What's with the raging y'all? Ubisoft is basically saying "hey! we give up, here have the game for free minus the single-player campaign which you probably wouldn't have played through anyway."
It will be free to play on PC! The pirates have won! now they can move out of their parents basements/garages get a job and maybe use their spare time doing something constructive instead of infecting torrent files with trojans and cracks that won't work with new game updates. Thanks Ubisoft, you've just made a few pirates unemployed :)
It will be free to play on PC! The pirates have won! now they can move out of their parents basements/garages get a job and maybe use their spare time doing something constructive instead of infecting torrent files with trojans and cracks that won't work with new game updates. Thanks Ubisoft, you've just made a few pirates unemployed :)
As an "elitist PC gamer" I spend roughly $700 to $1000 a year on hardware. I resent companies who think I am the problem. I pay premium prices for the best experience possible. In a little over a year of using steam I have purchased 100+ games.
I am the customer you want. I do however refuse to spend money of buggy pieces of shit that limit my experience. You want my $60 for a game, how about you develop a reputation of:
Making sure AMD/nVidia have drivers optimized for your product before launch.
Your servers aren't crashing or moving like a snail on launch day.
Giving me all the video options possible to make running the game a great experience.
Using DRM that doesn't limit my ability to legally use the game.
Until you do otherwise, I either won't buy your game or I won't buy it until it's been out for months, I know what I'm getting, is cheap, and no longer has bugs.
I am the customer you want. I do however refuse to spend money of buggy pieces of shit that limit my experience. You want my $60 for a game, how about you develop a reputation of:
Making sure AMD/nVidia have drivers optimized for your product before launch.
Your servers aren't crashing or moving like a snail on launch day.
Giving me all the video options possible to make running the game a great experience.
Using DRM that doesn't limit my ability to legally use the game.
Until you do otherwise, I either won't buy your game or I won't buy it until it's been out for months, I know what I'm getting, is cheap, and no longer has bugs.
Oh Jim! If you would've been a politician, you would've been a neo liberal populist spewing gall at everybody/everything and changing your opinions like a windsock changes direction in a hurricane. Pointing fingers at everybody except yourself, THANK GOD! you are only a writer for a gaming website.
I would care, but I am Alive and Ghost Recon aren't going to be good games. Neither are the Assassins Creed rehashes.
Good developers who make good games make very good money on PC, Ubisoft are ignorant and greedy morons.
Good developers who make good games make very good money on PC, Ubisoft are ignorant and greedy morons.
" because console can't be pirated, amirite?"
They can, but it's exponentially harder, and thus happens exponentially less. But you knew that already
They can, but it's exponentially harder, and thus happens exponentially less. But you knew that already
I am glad someone mentioned that PC piracy occurs heavily in other countries where the game is usually not even available or is subject to crazy pricing. The fact that PC's are more global than consoles allows for this phenomenon to emerge. So seemingly piracy is a much, much bigger issue than it is in reality. Do not get me wrong, piracy occurs frequently in the UK and North America, but not drastically more than consoles. Seriously look at the DS, PSP, and Wii. All can bepick cracked by software or a rom cart in the DS case. The Xbox pirate scene breaks game releases faster than PC since cracking is so much easier. By next generation, I feel consoles will start seeing tougher DEM and implemention of Steam/Origin services.
Well, there's not the slightest thing keeping people from pirating console games; you deprive them of the PC version and the pirates will just sail to another port to plunder the 360 version. So Ubisoft, the best thing to do would just stop releasing games altogether. Just drop this whole dirty business and have your staff flip burgers somewhere or do some community service.
Hell, your PR offensive really shows that you're not cut out for this. Ridiculous and unfair pricing, draconic DRM the pirates like always are not slightly faced by, broken promises, horrible ports, bad sales blamed on the pirates or God or whatever seems most convinient like a child losing in TF2 and showing open contempt for your paying customers. You obviously don't like what you're doing or you wouldn't sabotage yourself at this level.
But hey, I've done my part. Didn't buy a single game from you since the first Assassin's Creed. You're welcome.
Hell, your PR offensive really shows that you're not cut out for this. Ridiculous and unfair pricing, draconic DRM the pirates like always are not slightly faced by, broken promises, horrible ports, bad sales blamed on the pirates or God or whatever seems most convinient like a child losing in TF2 and showing open contempt for your paying customers. You obviously don't like what you're doing or you wouldn't sabotage yourself at this level.
But hey, I've done my part. Didn't buy a single game from you since the first Assassin's Creed. You're welcome.
Blah blah blah... piracy is not lost sales... excuses, excuses.
Sure are lots of people defending piracy here. I guess we all know what side of the fence a lot of community members are on.
Hypothetically speaking, if piracy were NOT possible, would you pirates move on and get a different hobby or shell out the cash? That's a question I'd like answered honestly.
Sure are lots of people defending piracy here. I guess we all know what side of the fence a lot of community members are on.
Hypothetically speaking, if piracy were NOT possible, would you pirates move on and get a different hobby or shell out the cash? That's a question I'd like answered honestly.
Blah blah blah... piracy is not lost sales... excuses, excuses.
Sure are lots of people defending piracy here. I guess we all know what side of the fence a lot of community members are on.
Hypothetically speaking, if piracy were NOT possible, would you pirates move on and get a different hobby or shell out the cash? That's a question I'd like answered honestly.
Sure are lots of people defending piracy here. I guess we all know what side of the fence a lot of community members are on.
Hypothetically speaking, if piracy were NOT possible, would you pirates move on and get a different hobby or shell out the cash? That's a question I'd like answered honestly.
@jio no worries. This is not the end of PC gaming, not by a long shot. They have been calling for the death of PC gaming since the early 2000s. Even on the chance that all other major publishers exit the market there is a hugeeee backlog and many smaller developers who will stay in the market to avoid console dev costs. Not to mention new players will enter the fray down the road.
@Tahiri: No, it isn't. Not exceptionally harder by a long shot, just slightly less convenient. Take that convenience away and the whole mambo will continue, just with one of your markets gone for good.
Seriously, people are arguing about whether console piracy is harder than PC piracy? It doesn't matter! The point is, piracy is bad and it is a very potent problem. Justify it all you want and condemn capitalism for it but the fact of the matter is we DO live in a capitalist society that obligates us to pay for our wants and needs. If you disobey that very basic tenet, then yes: you are a criminal and you deserve proper retribution.
I am fairly positive that the major factor to the rise of piracy has little to nothing to do with the games/drm/evil companies. It is most probably due to high speed internet becoming more available to people of all sorts of financial backgrounds. Oh and torrents.
Get back to me when the game in question not being released isn't shovelware and is something more substantial than the dumbed down and shite Ghost Recon 'CoD ripoff' we've been left with these days.
@ Ragnar Dragonfyre
I really don't think anybody here (with the exception of on or two people perhaps) is actually defending piracy. People are mostly arguing whether Ubisoft's approach to the piracy issue is a smart one. People are also arguing whether piracy on the PC is as huge an issue as Ubisoft thinks it is (according to them 95% of PC gamers pirate their games, which is ridiculous). So yeah dude perhaps you should re-read the comments again.
To answer your question: Maybe? It depends? Thinking in absolutes is never a good idea.
I really don't think anybody here (with the exception of on or two people perhaps) is actually defending piracy. People are mostly arguing whether Ubisoft's approach to the piracy issue is a smart one. People are also arguing whether piracy on the PC is as huge an issue as Ubisoft thinks it is (according to them 95% of PC gamers pirate their games, which is ridiculous). So yeah dude perhaps you should re-read the comments again.
To answer your question: Maybe? It depends? Thinking in absolutes is never a good idea.
@Tristix
Yeah we're fucked as PC gamers ... I'll just leave this around :
http://ignitegt.com/2011/09/pc-vs-console/
Yeah we're fucked as PC gamers ... I'll just leave this around :
http://ignitegt.com/2011/09/pc-vs-console/
@zachwulf The fact that your friends are thieves doesn't mean anything, I don't know anyone that download games as a normal thing and I know quite a few people that plays on the pc ONLY.
There are exceptions though, downloaded Rage just to check if the shitstorm was right and thank god I didn't spend a cent on that.
PD: I am going to pirate this game on the console just for the lulz.
There are exceptions though, downloaded Rage just to check if the shitstorm was right and thank god I didn't spend a cent on that.
PD: I am going to pirate this game on the console just for the lulz.
@ragnar: Who said that? I've counted one guy. That sure is a lot, you're practically surrounded by amoral heathens and thieves and you are clrealy the superior specimen. But hey, that strawman sure takes a punch, amirite?
Yeah and to be clear. I am not defending piracy at all. Fuck the people who give these developers the leg to stand on and take away any consumer rights we have.
I wonder if Ubisoft has ever considered that perhaps as PC Gamers, we are tired of spending 60 dollars on pc releases that are simply shoddy ports and play like a bug ridden afterthought? Why exactly should we be foaming at the mouth to playtest your crappy console ports?
@soberbandana
There's a lot of deflection going on in the comments. And more than "one or two" people have said "Make a good game and I'll pay for it." which indicates to me they have justification in pirating something they feel isn't worth paying for. I guarantee there are more than one or two pirates in this thread.
And I did read the comments thanks. I read between the lines, maybe you should do the same. A person who doesn't pirate and wants the video game industry to thrive wouldn't be in this comment section deflecting the cause of piracy on DRM, poor PR, bad gameplay or otherwise.
There's a lot of deflection going on in the comments. And more than "one or two" people have said "Make a good game and I'll pay for it." which indicates to me they have justification in pirating something they feel isn't worth paying for. I guarantee there are more than one or two pirates in this thread.
And I did read the comments thanks. I read between the lines, maybe you should do the same. A person who doesn't pirate and wants the video game industry to thrive wouldn't be in this comment section deflecting the cause of piracy on DRM, poor PR, bad gameplay or otherwise.
The reasoning behind this is pretty stupid seeing as it is impossible to play online with 99% of pirated games out there and Ghost Recon is geared towards online MP.
Im a PC gamer first and foremost, as are the vast majority of my IRL friends hence the choice of platform. We don't pirate PC games, we just get 'em cheap on Steam and GoG.com
We all avoid Ubi games now though, because of the shite DRM that's been implemented in the past, I own a console too but I'm not going to pick this game up on said console either if you treat me as a threat/criminal just because I enjoy playing games on my PC.
Piss one one platform and you're just pissing on gamers as far as I'm concerned.
We all avoid Ubi games now though, because of the shite DRM that's been implemented in the past, I own a console too but I'm not going to pick this game up on said console either if you treat me as a threat/criminal just because I enjoy playing games on my PC.
Piss one one platform and you're just pissing on gamers as far as I'm concerned.
I find it much more likely that these games just aren't selling on PC. Pirates have already demonstrated that they're not willing to pay for games and are thus not part of the equation.
@Snaggletooth: Video options are the one thing I personally think are really killing devs these days. When you limit your video options you also indirectly limit the amount of people who can play the game.
@Ragnar You're assuming that people actually bother to play this crap in any iteration. Most of the time after being burned once spending money on a crap port, people wait for reviews to come out the next time before buying.
When the pattern continues and pc releases are continually being tossed out to market as buggy ports, they just stop buying alltogether. Ubisoft is making a big assumption in saying that their PC games aren't selling because "95% of pc gamers pirate them". Wrong. Their games aren't selling because people have been burned one too many times by crappy ports, and have just stopped bothering with these games at all.
Wanting the pc game industry to thrive doesnt mean willingly paying 60 dollars for every piece of trash tossed our way. Ubisoft acts as if PC gamers simply don't buy games because we're all dirty pirates who hate paying for quality titles. Funny, Skyrim's PC release doesnt seem to be struggling.. gee, probably because its a QUALITY release that is worth paying for, rather than a lazy port?
When the pattern continues and pc releases are continually being tossed out to market as buggy ports, they just stop buying alltogether. Ubisoft is making a big assumption in saying that their PC games aren't selling because "95% of pc gamers pirate them". Wrong. Their games aren't selling because people have been burned one too many times by crappy ports, and have just stopped bothering with these games at all.
Wanting the pc game industry to thrive doesnt mean willingly paying 60 dollars for every piece of trash tossed our way. Ubisoft acts as if PC gamers simply don't buy games because we're all dirty pirates who hate paying for quality titles. Funny, Skyrim's PC release doesnt seem to be struggling.. gee, probably because its a QUALITY release that is worth paying for, rather than a lazy port?
I got the feelig the words "because of piracy" at the end of any sentence is gonna become an internet meme.
@Freakydemon
I never said anyone was fucked now. However, you'd have to have your head in the sand HARD not to see that PC gaming isn't what it used to be. Things change, and if you're happy with PC gaming right now, that's fantastic. However, please trust me on this... don't EVER become complacent in thinking that something you enjoy will always be around.
The PC gaming I grew up with, and that caused me to fall in love with the gaming hobby as a whole, doesn't exist anymore and hasn't in a decade. There's a lot of reasons for that, but piracy is one of them, and it's more rampant now than it's ever been. I don't want to be a doomsayer and I certainly don't want to be reactionary over the cancellation (if you can even call it that) of two PC games. I just want to point out that this isn't an isolated incident, and likely won't be the last you hear of this kind of thing.
As I said, piracy isn't the ONLY potential problem with PC gaming, but it IS a problem, it's one of the few that you and I can do something about. Don't pirate no matter the excuse, certainly don't fucking seed pirated software torrents, and steer anyone you know who does toward Steam and Amazon sales. It may not be much, but it's the least we can do if it helps, ya know?
I never said anyone was fucked now. However, you'd have to have your head in the sand HARD not to see that PC gaming isn't what it used to be. Things change, and if you're happy with PC gaming right now, that's fantastic. However, please trust me on this... don't EVER become complacent in thinking that something you enjoy will always be around.
The PC gaming I grew up with, and that caused me to fall in love with the gaming hobby as a whole, doesn't exist anymore and hasn't in a decade. There's a lot of reasons for that, but piracy is one of them, and it's more rampant now than it's ever been. I don't want to be a doomsayer and I certainly don't want to be reactionary over the cancellation (if you can even call it that) of two PC games. I just want to point out that this isn't an isolated incident, and likely won't be the last you hear of this kind of thing.
As I said, piracy isn't the ONLY potential problem with PC gaming, but it IS a problem, it's one of the few that you and I can do something about. Don't pirate no matter the excuse, certainly don't fucking seed pirated software torrents, and steer anyone you know who does toward Steam and Amazon sales. It may not be much, but it's the least we can do if it helps, ya know?
@sofik88
As I previously mentioned with the current gen there's no need to mod your console...
@Spaz
Thanks for actually reading my comment!
As I previously mentioned with the current gen there's no need to mod your console...
@Spaz
Thanks for actually reading my comment!
Wow.... I think this actually makes me want to pirate the game for 360 now. Only problem is that would involve me fixing my broken modded 360, ha yeah I think my laziness overcomes the urge for that.
@Ragnar
You are probably right about there being pirates in the Destructoid community. That is sad, no doubt. Pirating is awful. I don't do it and I don't excuse it.
However, I think it is unfair for you to judge the whole community as being pro-pirate based on the comments of one or two people. And yes, I re-read the comment section. Most people are complaining about Ubisoft's PR, DRM ect which I think is legitmate. Some people are saying that they will never buy a Ubisoft game. Does that mean that they will pirate them? I mean perhaps, but perhaps not. The thing about reading between the lines is that you tend to make a lot of assumptions. You know the whole spiel about the glass being half empty or half full, right? I tend to me more of a half-full kind of guy.
I like this community and that is why I reacted badly to your comment. I do appologize about questioning your reading comprehension skills, that was stupid of me.
@Tristrix
You are one of the reasons I like destructoid. Well said!
You are probably right about there being pirates in the Destructoid community. That is sad, no doubt. Pirating is awful. I don't do it and I don't excuse it.
However, I think it is unfair for you to judge the whole community as being pro-pirate based on the comments of one or two people. And yes, I re-read the comment section. Most people are complaining about Ubisoft's PR, DRM ect which I think is legitmate. Some people are saying that they will never buy a Ubisoft game. Does that mean that they will pirate them? I mean perhaps, but perhaps not. The thing about reading between the lines is that you tend to make a lot of assumptions. You know the whole spiel about the glass being half empty or half full, right? I tend to me more of a half-full kind of guy.
I like this community and that is why I reacted badly to your comment. I do appologize about questioning your reading comprehension skills, that was stupid of me.
@Tristrix
You are one of the reasons I like destructoid. Well said!
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