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=we couldn't be arsed porting to pc and why should we when the console crowd will make up 95% of our profit base
More and more these excuses sound like "we don't want to put in the effort to due quality QA to keep from getting a low metacritic because our game runs like shit."
95% piracy? Even as a hyperbole that is over the top. 50% maybe would be believable, even 60%.
95% piracy? Even as a hyperbole that is over the top. 50% maybe would be believable, even 60%.
Oh, and that's just PR bullshit. They are just to lazy to port the game and adjust it for the PC, period.
@Jim: DRM has always really been a failure in this age of technology. Its an outdated method of trying to protect intellectual property. DRM might have been handy back in the day before the internet. Now however most DRM is just a pure annoying. This is why I say they need to start doing other things to prevent people from pirating their games before this stuff really starts to hit consoles hard (please pubs/devs quite fooling yourself's it's coming). With consoles higher install base it wouldn't surprise me if console piracy next generation was higher then PC piracy.
Unless of course Jim your not referring to DRM in general and just talking about UbiDRM, if that is the case you can ignore my post.
"Either DRM is a failure, or piracy isn't the issue. There's only one answer here, Ubisoft. "
Damn Jim, you must be one hell of a business wiz... Why the hell aren't you employed at Ubisoft right now working for a multimillion dollar company and instead just writing articles about it on a gaming site???
Damn Jim, you must be one hell of a business wiz... Why the hell aren't you employed at Ubisoft right now working for a multimillion dollar company and instead just writing articles about it on a gaming site???
That's some funny stuff. Sort of. It probably wouldn't be funny to me if I was a PC gamer, but if there is one thing for sure, Ubisoft has probably burned all bridges with PC gamers by now. Oh well, I'm off to Thanksgiving for three days.
If they're being honest about their concerns over piracy on the PC (and if their statistics are correct), then I can see why they don't want to release a PC version. But, I must add, I don't know what's actually motivating this course of action.
They could use Steam, Origin, Games For Windows. Take your pick. They could just as easily explained that the PC isn't a viable market due to the volatility of PC game prices unlike console games which retain value longer. Blaming the situation on piracy is a flawed argument. Maybe in truth they just spent whatever PC budget they had to program the Xbox Kinect features.
@kenji: That is not necessarily true. PC versions of a game do decrease at a faster rate then console versions, but the PC version is also worth more money to them per copy because of the fact they don't have to pay MS, Nintendo, or Sony to release the game on that platform.
Ubisoft just needs to come out and say that they're not developing for PC anymore. Just get it over with. Having announcement after announcement is just a waste of time.
Fuck off Ubisoft, backwards thinking frog-legged fucks, I ACTUALLY WANT TO PLAY YOUR VIDEOGAMES WITH A FRAMERATE HIGHER THAN 30FPS AND STRONGER VISUALS AND KEYBOARD/MOUSE CONTROLS WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS YOU CUNTFUCKS?!
Console piracy is a much different beast from PC piracy. I'm tired of people using them as a 1:1 comparison.
A console pirate must go out and get his console modded and has a chance of being perma-banned from the online services they're attached to. There is a barrier of entry here, being the cost/time it takes to choose to get your console modded.
PC just has to go to a torrent site/newsgroup and download away. A quick crack later and you're good to go. There is zero entry barrier.
Every single PC can pirate games. The same can't be said about consoles. The sheer ease of PC piracy makes it worse than console piracy. Stop using console piracy as a strawman.
A console pirate must go out and get his console modded and has a chance of being perma-banned from the online services they're attached to. There is a barrier of entry here, being the cost/time it takes to choose to get your console modded.
PC just has to go to a torrent site/newsgroup and download away. A quick crack later and you're good to go. There is zero entry barrier.
Every single PC can pirate games. The same can't be said about consoles. The sheer ease of PC piracy makes it worse than console piracy. Stop using console piracy as a strawman.
Good, that settled my internal conflict.
Im never buying a Ubisoft game even if it DOES come out for PC.
Im never buying a Ubisoft game even if it DOES come out for PC.
So console piracy certainly isnt as big as issue, but really? These people are basically begging us to either not buy their games at all, or make a POINT of pirating them just for the luls."because we know that 95% of our consumers will pirate the game,"
No UBisoft they arnt your customers and neither are used game buyers, customers are ppl who pay you money, get it though your thick skulls that 1 pirated copy = a lost sale.
And honestly 95%! Are those stats from China? Cos youre talking out of your arse if you mean western or worldwide.
Unless a large proportion of real customers are DLing cracks to play your games which means you FAILed
No UBisoft they arnt your customers and neither are used game buyers, customers are ppl who pay you money, get it though your thick skulls that 1 pirated copy = a lost sale.
And honestly 95%! Are those stats from China? Cos youre talking out of your arse if you mean western or worldwide.
Unless a large proportion of real customers are DLing cracks to play your games which means you FAILed
@Spaz - Yes, they remove the console manufacturers but they still have to give a cut to whichever service is selling the game (Steam, Origin, D2D, etc) so on that part, it's a bit of a wash.
@Ragnar Dragonfyre - Thank you! I'm glad somebody else finally said that.
@Ragnar Dragonfyre - Thank you! I'm glad somebody else finally said that.
@ Ragnar Dragonfyre
Incorrect, you just have to flash your console - which can be done at home in next to no time at all. Simples. In fact easier than PC pirating in most cases as you have to crack each individual game whereas in most cases with consoles you just need to do the operation once.
Incorrect, you just have to flash your console - which can be done at home in next to no time at all. Simples. In fact easier than PC pirating in most cases as you have to crack each individual game whereas in most cases with consoles you just need to do the operation once.
@Ragnor: If their getting free games why would they care about being perm banned from an online service they probably don't use? I had a guy come in and say that all of his friend's where mad at him because he played Halo: Reach before they did. Game wasn't even out yet. Hell Destructoid had the damn article about playing Skyward Sword on 1080p resolution before it was even out.
@TrevHead - You're right, those people aren't customers so yes, they should've said: "We don't think we'll have enough customers on the PC" to be proper but the end message and result are still the same.
@ Mcmax3000
Not entirely true from a PR standpoint. If they'd said that "We don't think we'll have enough customers on the PC" they wouldn't have pissed off nearly as many people. By putting it in the way that they have they've alienated a much bigger group - bundling everyone in with the bad eggs.
Essentially shitty PR handling, really.
Not entirely true from a PR standpoint. If they'd said that "We don't think we'll have enough customers on the PC" they wouldn't have pissed off nearly as many people. By putting it in the way that they have they've alienated a much bigger group - bundling everyone in with the bad eggs.
Essentially shitty PR handling, really.
@McMax3000: Um I was strictly speaking retail only. If you factor in DD, where the person providing the game for sell only gets 30% of a $50 - $60 dollar game, that's a lot more then what you make off a console version after factoring in manufacturing and shipping, paying the stores who sells it, and finally paying console manufacturers to put it on their platform.
@LsTr Of SmG - Except that "flashing your console" isn't that easy of a concept to the vast majority of people. Yeah, it might be easy to you or I or most of the people on a site like this but for most people, the idea of just downloading the game & running it on their PC is much easier.
That's it, use some rhetoric to make us believe that it is unacceptable for a company to choose to not spent even more development money on a platform with proven piracy issues. Remember Jim, writing a column criticizing others for trying to save money in this global economy is free, but making game for the PC that will get pirated to shit isn't free.
@Mcmax3000
"Yeah, it might be easy to you or I or most of the people on a site like this but for most people, the idea of just downloading the game & running it on their PC is much easier."
Just as in depth as flashing in most cases. Anyone that's out there with the knowledge to be using a torrent client to download games has the wherewithal to flash a console.
The two processes (cracks on PC and flashing a console) are ridiculously similar in terms of complexity of deployment.
"Yeah, it might be easy to you or I or most of the people on a site like this but for most people, the idea of just downloading the game & running it on their PC is much easier."
Just as in depth as flashing in most cases. Anyone that's out there with the knowledge to be using a torrent client to download games has the wherewithal to flash a console.
The two processes (cracks on PC and flashing a console) are ridiculously similar in terms of complexity of deployment.
@Mcmax3000
It takes a little bit more work to play a pirated game on the PC. For one you need to know how to create a virtual drive. So it's not as easy as you say it is. I still have no clue how to do that myself (nor am I interested in learning).
I am just happy that Ubisoft is bringing Rocksmith to PC. Of course, that game is pretty much pirate proof since you need to have their patented hardware to play it.
It takes a little bit more work to play a pirated game on the PC. For one you need to know how to create a virtual drive. So it's not as easy as you say it is. I still have no clue how to do that myself (nor am I interested in learning).
I am just happy that Ubisoft is bringing Rocksmith to PC. Of course, that game is pretty much pirate proof since you need to have their patented hardware to play it.
Piracy's an issue.
PC Gamers are an issue.
Ubisoft is an issue.
Game sites are an issue.
Everyone is an issue in this mess, but the best we and the companies can do is just blame each other.
/bravo humanity.
PC Gamers are an issue.
Ubisoft is an issue.
Game sites are an issue.
Everyone is an issue in this mess, but the best we and the companies can do is just blame each other.
/bravo humanity.
lol @ PC elitists.
Ubisoft's DRM was hacked that's why they won't publish games on PC - it's too much work for little or no reward. especially that PC piracy can hurt sales on consoles - many people while having consoles will still pirate console games on pc if it has release on that platform to "save money".
PC is great platform for niche games, but terrible for mainstream games due to piracy. just looking at the numbers of Modern Warfare 3 torrents shows that more people pirated the game than actually bought on PC during launch week - that's nearly 400k pirated copies in less than 4 weeks.
Ubisoft's DRM was hacked that's why they won't publish games on PC - it's too much work for little or no reward. especially that PC piracy can hurt sales on consoles - many people while having consoles will still pirate console games on pc if it has release on that platform to "save money".
PC is great platform for niche games, but terrible for mainstream games due to piracy. just looking at the numbers of Modern Warfare 3 torrents shows that more people pirated the game than actually bought on PC during launch week - that's nearly 400k pirated copies in less than 4 weeks.
"we know that 95% of our consumers will pirate the game"
This is an entirely ignorant statement. As has already been said by other publishers, most PC piracy does NOT represent lost sales. Most of the people who pirate your game were never going to be your customers in the first place.
Most PC piracy takes place in less developed countries, where it's unlikely your game was ever going to be purchased. In North America, for example, PC piracy is thought by some to be at around the same rate as Xbox piracy. The ratio of pirated copy to lost sale is therefor much higher on consoles than on PC.
These guys are looking at the number of instances their game was downloaded and thinking "omg I just lost 100 million in revene". No. 2 million people were NEVER going to buy your game on the PC to begin with.
This is an entirely ignorant statement. As has already been said by other publishers, most PC piracy does NOT represent lost sales. Most of the people who pirate your game were never going to be your customers in the first place.
Most PC piracy takes place in less developed countries, where it's unlikely your game was ever going to be purchased. In North America, for example, PC piracy is thought by some to be at around the same rate as Xbox piracy. The ratio of pirated copy to lost sale is therefor much higher on consoles than on PC.
These guys are looking at the number of instances their game was downloaded and thinking "omg I just lost 100 million in revene". No. 2 million people were NEVER going to buy your game on the PC to begin with.
@pokota: Thank you, not very many people know that most software piracy is done in countries where the product price is highly inflated or not available.
lol @ idiots who claim that it's easier to mod consoles than pirate on pc.
yeah, it's impossible to play pirate games on pc - you have to download program that automatically creates virtual drive(hundreds of freeware software), open ISO file using that program and you're done. it's just impossible. pirating on consoles is so much easier - you only have to:
find specific modchip for your console and there are several designs and versions for each console - and each with different features,
find site that sells them,
install it directly on your console's motherboard,
install specific software,
etc.
yeah, easy stuff that every kid knows. facepalm.
yeah, it's impossible to play pirate games on pc - you have to download program that automatically creates virtual drive(hundreds of freeware software), open ISO file using that program and you're done. it's just impossible. pirating on consoles is so much easier - you only have to:
find specific modchip for your console and there are several designs and versions for each console - and each with different features,
find site that sells them,
install it directly on your console's motherboard,
install specific software,
etc.
yeah, easy stuff that every kid knows. facepalm.
It makes me smile that I am beyond actually giving a crap about Ubisoft games or I might actually give a crap.....
They load them chock to the brim with abusive DRM (which lowers sales)
They have proven time and time again that they are INCOMPETENT when it comes to porting to the PC (Which lowers sales)
Then they whine about piracy (which I am sure has some effect on sales but hardly what they are claiming). Of course they essentially regard used game sales with just as much revilement.
Please by all means let the door hit you as you exit this market There are plenty of other PC games that are far more deserving for the PC gamers to shower with money.
They load them chock to the brim with abusive DRM (which lowers sales)
They have proven time and time again that they are INCOMPETENT when it comes to porting to the PC (Which lowers sales)
Then they whine about piracy (which I am sure has some effect on sales but hardly what they are claiming). Of course they essentially regard used game sales with just as much revilement.
Please by all means let the door hit you as you exit this market There are plenty of other PC games that are far more deserving for the PC gamers to shower with money.
@sofik88: People told Ubisoft their DRM was worthless and look at where it got them. They pissed off their consumer base to the point the customers practically stopped buying their games (IDK what else you call a 90% decrease in PC sales with no increase in console sales). Since their customers stopped buying their games, the only people left where the people pirating it and some of the few that did buy it also had to pirate it because the DRM gave them issues. Despite what Ubisoft says in PR, I think they didn't decrease their own piracy rates I think they increased them.
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