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I would say they could count on me for a pre-order, but I had forgotten the 2D version was on the e-shop and that's all I needed.
That's a crock of shit. If they would have dropped this thing during the summer game drought it would have sold like hotcakes.
There is a bit of truth to this statement. I am in Canada and have no problems finding pretty much 3DS game. EXCEPT Bit.Trip Saga, which Gamestop said doesn't even exist in their system. The game was released on September 13th with a great reviews and its looking more and more likely that I am going to have to order it online.
This perfectly describes how much of a clusterf*ck the 3DS has been up to this point. It's maddening! If NISA had made the game exclusively available from their own online store in the summer, I would definitely have bought it then. Unfortunately I'm gonna be swamped with other titles now, including two of Nintendo's on 3DS, and Cave Story may have to wait. Alas!
I'm worried about sales of the game as well, but at the same time if they can release it early enough in the system's life to BE one of the few games available, and release it during the time of year when people will be buying more 3DS's, then hopefully they should do okay.
My copy's paid off, just waiting to grab it and play it until I'm dead.
My copy's paid off, just waiting to grab it and play it until I'm dead.
Bust a Move was published by Square Enix and most of the other games were Capcom and Ubisoft. They probably have enough power to get retailers to sell anything of theirs.
NIS is a small company and are at the mercy of retailers.
So what he's saying could still be true.
NIS is a small company and are at the mercy of retailers.
So what he's saying could still be true.
"Personally, I'm surprised by this, if only for the fact that I didn't think the 3DS had any "AAA" titles on shelves, outside of Ocarina of Time. How curious."
Oh Jim, if only you had been blessed with a copy of Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars.
Oh Jim, if only you had been blessed with a copy of Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars.
This guy is an idiot.
"Actually, we could have released the title in the summer of this year"
If they had,it probably would have sold very well since the 3DS had so few games over the Summer. Now it will release with a bunch of AAA competition,and may get lost in the fold.
"Actually, we could have released the title in the summer of this year"
If they had,it probably would have sold very well since the 3DS had so few games over the Summer. Now it will release with a bunch of AAA competition,and may get lost in the fold.
"If they had,it probably would have sold very well since the 3DS had so few games over the Summer. Now it will release with a bunch of AAA competition,and may get lost in the fold."
That's exactly what the interview question was about: why they didn't release it when there was less competition, and the answer was that the market just wasn't there. Seems to be a lose/lose situation for a small publisher, unfortunately.
That's exactly what the interview question was about: why they didn't release it when there was less competition, and the answer was that the market just wasn't there. Seems to be a lose/lose situation for a small publisher, unfortunately.
After how much of a pain it was to get a copy of bit trip saga, I'm worried about nich market games on the 3ds. Portables are great for those kinds of games. I wouldn't mind an eShop release, the service has no file size and we're all complaining that there's nothing good uploaded every week =P
@Karutomaru
End of Cave Story.
On topic... WTF!? TEH 3DS HAZ NO GAMEZ!?
Also, November 15, 2011! SHINOBI! My body is ready.
End of Cave Story.
On topic... WTF!? TEH 3DS HAZ NO GAMEZ!?
Also, November 15, 2011! SHINOBI! My body is ready.
I don't blame NIS, hell I love NIS.... but this whole 3DS thing is like watching thermal runaway eat a transistor.
Sales are slow so stores don't want non AAA titles so we won't release our game. The end result is a catch 22 because without games sales will continue to be slow.
Sales are slow so stores don't want non AAA titles so we won't release our game. The end result is a catch 22 because without games sales will continue to be slow.
"Dtoid editor Tony Ponce refutes this claim, citing he's seen far too many copies of Bust-A-Move 3D in stores and hasn't stopped to realize why this title is constantly dropped to $20, as is DOA, Punch-Time Explosion, among many of the early shovelware titles and hasn't QUITE put the 2 and 2 together to discover that this problem is likely the exact same conditioning that has caused NIS to not have significant retail partners early in the summer because retail stores LOVE clearancing out games for $20 when they spent $26 just to stock it a merely 6 weeks ago."
Fix'd!
Fix'd!
Regardless of whether 3DS games are on shelves or not, I don't think that too many people are buying them.
Bit.Trip Saga was hard to find at Gamestop for a few weeks, which was worrying since Gamestop is pretty good about stocking even the most niche games if the publisher clears them for pre-order
Aksys Games didn't do this apparently.
My local Gamestops carry that now
Sounds kind of bullshit on NIS' part, as Cave Story 3D has been available for pre-order for months. Sounds like they really just bet on the holiday rush and a spinning an excuse for the delay.
Aksys Games didn't do this apparently.
My local Gamestops carry that now
Sounds kind of bullshit on NIS' part, as Cave Story 3D has been available for pre-order for months. Sounds like they really just bet on the holiday rush and a spinning an excuse for the delay.
This is incredibly true, I couldn't buy BIT.TRIP Saga anywhere, had to go online. I worry about any other niche game now, stores seem to refuse to carry them...
It makes sense, why releases possibly successful games (i.e. good ones) when you could continue to hemorrhage money. They must be putting the last of their sad sad eggs into the Disgaea sequel basket.
@Pwnshale - Yeah, NIS hasn't exactly gone out of their way prior to or after the delay to do any level of marketing for any game that wasn't Disgaea 4.
I have no idea why people are blaming NIS for this. No one in their right mind would release a product if retailers weren't going to stock it. The 3DS and non-Zelda games were selling poorly, so I don't understand the thought that they should have released it when no one had a 3DS.
Now the 3DS is selling fantastic, and retailers want games for it. Sounds like the right decision to me.
Actually, on that note, when the 3DS was struggling, we got multiple article a day pointing out that fact. Now that it's dominating the sales chart, I see nothing. 225k units moved again this week, and people still think it's selling poorly.
Now the 3DS is selling fantastic, and retailers want games for it. Sounds like the right decision to me.
Actually, on that note, when the 3DS was struggling, we got multiple article a day pointing out that fact. Now that it's dominating the sales chart, I see nothing. 225k units moved again this week, and people still think it's selling poorly.
For what it's worth, I live in a city of 250k and none of the gaming stores in town carry Bit TRIP SAGA.
@Daxelman - it was a little late. They put out a magazine ad and then ponied up a video for PSN weeks after the game was out, you know, just in case people didn't read the magazines anymore.
The usual minimal effort, which only Disgaea seems to earn.
The usual minimal effort, which only Disgaea seems to earn.
Maybe they should've released an enhanced version of the game on X360, PSN, Steam, Desura etc.? People there don't seem to be SUCH dicks.
@The Silent Protagonist
Hate to say it but do you REALLY think the bulk of NIS titles would warrant a noticable marketing effort? I don't exactly see people saying, "Boy, if ONLY there was some sort of random dungeon generating video game on the PSP right now, I could sink my teeth into a title like that but unfortunately, I haven't seen any ads outside of this Gears of War marketing effort so obviously the game doesn't exist."
NIS is small, knows their audience, knows how to reach their audience, and efforts to expand beyond that in the past have been a fruitless labor to understate it politely. Last time NIS tried expanding beyond their niche, they nearly went out of business so they went back to catering solely and exclusively to their niche to recover.
Hate to say it but do you REALLY think the bulk of NIS titles would warrant a noticable marketing effort? I don't exactly see people saying, "Boy, if ONLY there was some sort of random dungeon generating video game on the PSP right now, I could sink my teeth into a title like that but unfortunately, I haven't seen any ads outside of this Gears of War marketing effort so obviously the game doesn't exist."
NIS is small, knows their audience, knows how to reach their audience, and efforts to expand beyond that in the past have been a fruitless labor to understate it politely. Last time NIS tried expanding beyond their niche, they nearly went out of business so they went back to catering solely and exclusively to their niche to recover.
I'm sorry. Who gives a shit if Tony saw them on store shelves. I'm pretty damn sure the company that distributes the damn games knows far more about the market for their game then some dude who walks into 4 or 5 stores.
@sheppy
Yet those games are still stocked right there on the 3DS software shelves and not in some clearance bin at the entrance of the store.
Yet those games are still stocked right there on the 3DS software shelves and not in some clearance bin at the entrance of the store.
Ah, the vocal minority doesn't understand business. Again. No, Cave Story wouldn't have been a smash hit uber success if it had released this summer. It's a great game, for sure, but there's a difference between being a great game and being a popular game.
I don't know that delaying it will help the cause any, but I don't think you can fault NISA here if no retailers were going to stock their game.
I don't know that delaying it will help the cause any, but I don't think you can fault NISA here if no retailers were going to stock their game.
@Tony
Actually, I've seen Bust A Move 3D in bins at my local Best Buy, Walmart, and Sams Club, if you follow CAG, you see it constantly hitting the $20 price point in ads at Target, Best Buy, Meijer, Gamestop even dropped it once... GAMESTOP. And yes, I've already seen the 3DS deciated space in many stores start shrinking. My target went from 4' to Endcap, Bestbuy shrunk from 8' to 4' and put Wii accessories in 3DS's old spot.
In other words, you're wrong. Seeing something in stores doesn't mean it's doing the stores any good and for a company like Kmart, sitting on thousands of Bust a Move 3D copies right along with Cubic Ninja, what compelling argument can you make for Cave Story 3D?
"This game is a 3D remake of a title people can already get on the system for $10, but you can make them pay an extra $20 because it are a guud game."
Actually, I've seen Bust A Move 3D in bins at my local Best Buy, Walmart, and Sams Club, if you follow CAG, you see it constantly hitting the $20 price point in ads at Target, Best Buy, Meijer, Gamestop even dropped it once... GAMESTOP. And yes, I've already seen the 3DS deciated space in many stores start shrinking. My target went from 4' to Endcap, Bestbuy shrunk from 8' to 4' and put Wii accessories in 3DS's old spot.
In other words, you're wrong. Seeing something in stores doesn't mean it's doing the stores any good and for a company like Kmart, sitting on thousands of Bust a Move 3D copies right along with Cubic Ninja, what compelling argument can you make for Cave Story 3D?
"This game is a 3D remake of a title people can already get on the system for $10, but you can make them pay an extra $20 because it are a guud game."
I'd be worried about Cave Story if I were Nicalis. Because it's the third rerelease of a freeware game and can already be played on the 3DS for a lower price.
Maybe if they made new games instead of releasing the same one over and over with "improved graphics" faster than George Lucas can add a CG Jabba the Hutt to A New Hope.
Maybe if they made new games instead of releasing the same one over and over with "improved graphics" faster than George Lucas can add a CG Jabba the Hutt to A New Hope.
I don't really understand the choices of platform for Cave Story, I mean wouldn't such a high profile game be better served on HD consoles and PC (where it was born btw)? I mean when was the last time someone other than Nintendo sold a core game en mass.
I was thinking the same thing, the 3DS has NO games that make me even remotely want to go out and buy one. I'd rather wait for the hardware revision that inevitably incorporates the second nub, improves the d-pad, lengthens battery life a smidge, and stores the stylus ANYWHERE else than it does now on the darn thing.
I give up. No-one knows what AAA means anymore. It used to mean games that generally score a 9.0 or higher (10.0 is AAAA), but now it is just an arbitrary phrase that means absolutely nothing.
Sell it on effing Amazon. Atlus partners up with Amazon all the time yet NIS' crappy store ships so late that its painful.
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