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Nintendo's last-gen graphics turn off Bethesda, Epic Games photo

A ShackNews interview with Bethesda reveals that the company wanted to bring Elder Scrolls Oblivion to the Wii, but the system obviously doesn't have enough under the hood to support the game. This is unfortunate, as the control scheme might have contributed to quite a work out when level grinding. Peter Hines also gives insight as to how the company views rolling out its games on multiple platforms:

Our philosophy has always been that we don't believe in trying to design the game for a platform. Our philosophy is to [decide] what game we want to make, then determine which platforms can run that game ... It's not really going to run on a Wii for example, but if it could we would put it there.

Our philosophy is to make a game and make it available to as many people as possible. We're not looking to limit who can play a game. We want to make something that's fun and we want as many people as possible to play it.

Sound familiar?  It should -- another interview with Epic reveals that its next projects will all be centric to the Unreal Engine 3, which also is not coming to the Wii. Once again, this brings around the age old question: is the Wiimote controller enough to carry the console?  I'm not sure, but as they say: Where there is smoke, there is fire.  Yes, at the end of the day it is all about the games, but when studios are shying away from making games for your console because of its limitations, we have a burning problem that smells a lot like a GameCube reprise. 








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Ballistic90's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 11:30
Ballistic90
I guess expecting them to make an effort is too much to ask.
Toneman's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 11:33
Toneman
I guess buying mutiple consoles is too much to ask.
-D-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 11:35
-D-
Don't count it out just yet. From Wired's interview with Mark Rein (http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/02/interview_epics.html), there's talk about this...and not the abbreviated portion that all the sites posted. Directly from the interview, here's what Rein said.

"Hey, we're in that space! Red Steel, Splinter Cell -- those use our previous engine technology. There's a Brothers in Arms game as well. there will be quite a few games on the Wii that we get a little involvement from us. But it's not in our plans to bring Unreal Engine 3 to the Wii. It's really designed for next-gen, high-definition. One of our licensees has been porting it, and they might be successful at that, and that would be great if they do it. It's doable, but not something that we're going to focus on."

So maybe we will some UE3 action on the Wii, sure it will lack a lot of the frosting, but it could still be a great thing.
World Famous's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 11:36
World Famous
Wii = Party game system. Nothing more, nothing less.
bhive01's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 11:38
bhive01
Don't forget the Mii's Summa. They're like really cool.
AndyCat's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 11:38
AndyCat
He speaks the truth!

Toneman's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 11:39
Toneman
Summa does not lie. Ever.
veritas's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 11:39
veritas
This type of thing doesn’t really bother me. I expect graphically advanced games on my 360, and I expect more interactive games on my Wii. I’m not sure I really like the idea of just trying to change games like Oblivion so they’re a little bit different on the Wii. Also, if a game like Oblivion came out on the Wii and the 360 at the same time I can’t see myself ever picking the Wii version.
bhive01's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 11:41
bhive01
If I never get the cash together for a PS3 or 360, I could see myself picking up Oblivion for the Wii. I could also see myself playing adventure games on it.

*wink, wink, nudge, nudge Ninty
Niero's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 11:43
Niero
Which is pretty much the reason a lot of us bought all 3 systems. Still, I'd hate for the Wii to always get the short end of the stick from 3rd party developers.
Rosten's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 11:43
Rosten
If I wanted to play games I finished a year ago, I'd buy a Mac.

I don't want ports of old games, I want new games that are designed for the Wii's new control model.
Yuphrum's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 11:46
Yuphrum
:(
That makes me a saaad panda.

Think how cool it would be having a first person game like that in where the sword and other weapons were controlled via the Wiimote, unfortunetly thats all we can do.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 11:51
Snaileb
I have to agree with Niero.
Aetsen's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 11:53
Aetsen
Party Game system is right. I only ever play my Wii when friends come over.
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 11:59
BluDesign
If you wanted to play PC games at all, why would you buy a mac? I didn't. I got sick of updating all the damn time for maybe 1-2 games that I would play on a regular basis. Besides, once I got a nice 60" HDTV, guess what suddenly wasn't so hot looking as a place to play games? HINT: (It starts with "P" and ends with "iece of shit windows box that got it's ass smoked by a 60" TV and a Wii60")

So, honestly I don't care if someone can't port a game to it or not. If I was looking for Johnny-Come-Lately ports, I would've bought a PS3.

I want original game content that blows me away with interface design. So far, I've got a golf game that plays like golf. An adventure game where swinging the Wii-mote swings a sword, Wario Ware, and, oh, my entire childhood video game collection. On one box. I'm happy with my purchase and my decision. If the 3rd parties don't want to ride the 4 million consoles sold Wii gravy train, then that's their problem. Nintendo will be here either way. I think publishers saw with the DS that Nintendo is serious about supporting their tech backwards ideas and focusing more on making gaming fun again. The result?

Shit like Hotel Dusk or Castlevania:PoR. FFIII? Trauma Center, Phoenix Wright? I think third parties will get this idea a lot faster on the Wii and we'll get what we want. Nintendo had to bust some balls this time around to prove themselves worthy based on gameplay alone, and they've done well.
World Famous's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 12:01
World Famous
As much as I love Hotel Dusk, I'd never be able to play it on the Wii. Games like that are perfect for the handheld, not console.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 12:07
Snaileb
Just wait Summa. There's alot of good platforming, action, and rpg games coming to the Wii. At the risk of not sounding like a fanboy, I wont list the 1st party titles, but you have Project HAMMER, Dragon Quest, and ...uh...and..uh..

Fuck.

Anyways in a year I dont think all these developers are passing up on the Wii because of the graphics. I mean, there wont be that many ports from the 360/ps3, and thats why (niero) we bought 3 systems. Developers will make NEW games for the Wii because of its graphics, and thats what im excited about. These minigames though, that shit wont cut it.
World Famous's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 12:09
World Famous
Yeah, ok, you can have that. I'd rather play those action and RPG games on more advanced systems that look great on my HD TV.

I'm sure I'll play Mario for that month or so, and then it's back in the closet for ye olde Wii.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 12:12
Snaileb
Yeah I agree. But maybe they wont come to the Wii, because of the lack of HD. It is sad that once a good title comes out, Mario (save Smash), that it'll go back in the closet, and I think we really did get screwed with the online for that matter.

(sigh) I just want Smash Bros.. thats what I bought it for, and if they fuck that up, I'll trade in my Wii for a N-gage2.


(ok maybe that's a little harsh)
RobTurboGA's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 12:16
RobTurboGA
Every good game for the DS was designed specifically for the DS. I'm calling bullshit on designing games independent of a system.

That excuse just sounds lazy to me.

"We're making a game we can port to the two most similar systems."

That's I'll I hear.
scrap's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 12:21
scrap
I really, really want to see some non-ported titles on the Wii. It's just sitting there...waiting to be loved. It was talking to me last night. Said it hates getting all the developers sloppy seconds. I agree.

In other news: I am losing my mind.
cronotrigger913's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 12:39
cronotrigger913
OK, they won't make an Oblivion game for the Wii, but they will for the PSP? Where's the logic of that one? It's stripped down, but it's still coming, despite having a little less power than a PS2.
bhive01's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 12:39
bhive01
What about Harmonica Hero? It's coming soon...

generaldane's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 12:42
generaldane
in the year 2008 we will all be clear on whats what for now no argument anyone make for or against nintendo have no grounds

i remember a portable called the ds.........
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 12:45
Snaileb
generaldane you're comments used to be respectable and make sense. Now it like you're typing with your toes. Whats up?
BahamutZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 12:49
BahamutZero
c'mon showing red steel is hitting below the belt, don't you think? I mean they were using an N64 dev kit for god's sakes. nobody has touched the graphics processing of the wii yet, they are all still using gc graphics. let more games come out (metroid) and then we'll see how it stacks up. graphics are as good as the devs are
bhive01's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 12:50
bhive01
I think what generaldane is saying, is that next year we'll know for sure if the Wii and all it's lacking of power was a mistake by Nintendo or if it's paid off.

I agree with that stance too. There is a lack of games for it now, but that's been the case forever. Late winter,early spring is always a doldrum for games cause everybody blows their wad for the holiday shopping season. Microsoft had the same problems the spring after the release of the 360 and the PS3 is having the same issue.

Seriously though, Harmonica Hero is gonna be awesome. Just look at how much that beta-tester is enjoying it.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 12:58
Snaileb
In that case Im pawning my 360 and my PS3.









(just in case I can't afford Harmonica Hero)
generaldane's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 13:02
generaldane
Snaileb

you may be right

i have been drinking too much
generaldane's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 13:04
generaldane
bhive01

Thanks for translating what i was saying in readable english
bhive01's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 13:04
bhive01
It's those special controllers that cost so much.

@ Bahamut_Zero, I really hope that these 1G games suffer from being GC titles that got ported up. None have even looked as good as RE4 yet.
Niero's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 13:10
Niero
I would totally rock Harmonica Hero. I have the lungs of a prostitute
BahamutZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 13:12
BahamutZero
beehive - exactly. just wait until the devs get comfy with the system and we'll have better than re4 soon.

why would a prostitute have good lung capacity? niero you do know that a "blowjob" doesn't actually involve blowing, at least in my experience
bhive01's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 13:12
bhive01
Cyclic breathing? SW33T! Do you Didgeridoo too?
Zoex's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 13:15
Zoex
$250, you know you are getting a system that is not packed with high end equipment.

I think alot of people have flat out lost sight of what the point is, FUN.

All this HD bullshit means nothing to me. I play games because they entertain me, not because they have shiny shaders.

If somone would actually step up and make a great game with the Wii, instead of diving into the pissing contest that is the 360 and PS3, we would see what the system is able to do.

But this time, it's not Nintendo turning away 3rd party developers, its them, that want to get what they consider a larger installed base. Once again the all mighty dollar wins.
Zoex's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 13:18
Zoex
Nintendo will have to dish out some 1st party smash hits before the asshat 3rd party guys realise what they can do with the system.
bhive01's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 13:20
bhive01
Then we will have to wait.
Dot's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 14:05
Dot
"Our philosophy is to make a game and make it available to as many people as possible."
Riiiiight. So, where's the PC port of GoW then?
I'll never forgive Epic for making me buy an XBox just to play it :(
Deus's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 14:30
Deus
They made an Oblivion game for mobile phones even, so they can probably make one for the Wii too.
Zoex's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 14:31
Zoex
I don't think gears is as awesome as everyone says.

Learn to hold a fucking camera.

There, I said it.
Chris Taran's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 15:49
Chris Taran
I must be like the only god damn person on the planet that has only played my Wii with friends once. The 20 or so others times, completely by myself.

I don't get the party system statement. At all.
Magesx's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 16:02
Magesx
Wow.

This news is hilarious. I was wondering how long it would take for a developer so say this.
subnet6's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 16:22
subnet6
Wii60 just rocks. If you have those, you're good to go.
I've been playing my Wii most of all, but that's just me.
360 is finally starting to get a pretty good library. I expect by this time next year, so will the Wii and even the PS3 should have a few good ones by then. It's a good time to be a gamer, especially if you have a little extra money to have more than one system.
skruloos's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 17:34
skruloos
Bethesda and Epic make good points. After all, they are also game engine developers and no developer wants to compromise the quality of their engine for lower end equipment. Take a look at top of the line graphic engines with Doom3, Unreal3 and the upcoming Crysis. The aim is always top of the line, even at the expense of current hardware being unable to handle such engines.

However, the console space functions a bit differently and I think that userbase is a big factor. How long can any developer really deny a large userbase? The PS2 had weaker hardware than both the Xbox and the Gamecube but that didn't stop developers from flocking to it and staying with it. The same is happening with the DS. With the escalating costs of development, at some point a large install base is going to become very attractive.

In the case of the Wii, you've got a quickly growing userbase without a steady stream of AAA titles to satiate players quite yet. The fact that you have a large base of players hungry to play games for the system is attractive to any developer and it seems that developers like Take Two and Square Enix are cognizant of that fact.

What it comes down to is exclusives. A system is built on exclusives. And if the userbase continues to grow do you honestly think that developers are going to ignore the Wii? Sure, some developers with the PC mindset might, but most console developers won't be thinking about picking the best platform that can handle their engine but rather which console's strengths to best utilize so they can take advantage of the userbase.
Niero's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 17:38
Niero
@ Zoex: the point of the article wasn't to bash the Wii, or say that games with uber graphics etc are necessarily superior. We all know that Elebits is a good example of an awesome game that is graphically simple. I'm just stating that 3rd party developers are choosing to make HD games and the Wii is getting left out.

This isn't a game design argument, this is a factual observation about what 3rd party studios are choosing to do. The Wii will have less games because it isn't HD; that's all there is to take away from it.
broham's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 18:26
broham
I try to put myself in the shoes of a game developer. You have a system in the Wii that has last gen power, no hd, no online structure, and funky controls. What should I develop? I would think that a really good baseball, golf, tennis game with fleshed out career modes and pro licenses would do well.

Or maybe a Shenmue type of game where you can manipulate the world around you. The problem is, I don't see many of these games in the pipeline. Every other console after its launch had those future games I was dying to play. I don't see that for the Wii. I'm not really looking forward to Metroid, ssb, and mario. I feel like I've been there, done that.

skruloos's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 19:45
skruloos
Niero
"This isn't a game design argument, this is a factual observation about what 3rd party studios are choosing to do. The Wii will have less games because it isn't HD; that's all there is to take away from it."

At the same time though, you have companies pulling exclusives from the PS3 despite the fact that it is a powerful, HD-capable platform. You've got other developers announcing more titles for the Wii. Sure, a lot of them are ports, but who didn't expect that? I'm guessing that a lot of companies took a wait and see approach with the Wii and as it's been picking up steam, they're wanting to make a presence while developing projects solely for the Wii. So you get a lot of ports to gauge interest from the userbase.

And I wouldn't necessarily put too much stock in the opinions of graphic engine developers. If you asked them to list PC specs they'd prefer to design for, I'd give you dollars to donuts that they are aiming for specs higher than what current PC's can handle. It's the nature of the beast.
Jesse Cortez's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2007 20:53
Jesse Cortez
Although it would have been nice to have the great graphics capabilites that the PS3/360 have, I'm completely satisfied with the Wii...it has rocked as a "party system" for me, as an...um...Elebits console, and old games.

And I'm sure we will see an improvement on the graphics as time goes by...it will never come close to the graphics of the others, but, at least for me (and probably many people out there) that doesnt really matter.
questworld's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/10/2007 01:27
questworld
As far as I'm concerned they made a Elder Scrolls game for the Xbox, and they're making an Oblivion game for the PSP. So what exactly is the problem (even GRAW as made for the PS2 but none for Wii, go figure)? Power? Nope, you always make a new game in the series especially for the Wii. Controls? You don't have to use motion sensors if you can't do it (Classic Controller). Disc space? Nope, this ain't no GameCube disc. Userbase? Doing well so far, more so than the PS3 and its getting one. Frankly just say you don't intend to and leave it as that. No more excuses.
Burnt Meatloaf's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/10/2007 05:48
Burnt Meatloaf
Repeat after me, folks: Moore's Law does not apply to Nintendo.

So, the Super Nintendo blew away the Genesis. The N64 blew away the Playstaion. The Gamecube blew away the PS2. Now that the Wii is out, graphics don't matter? Did technology, effort, and quality suddenly become passé, or something?
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