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"Why not switch it up a bit and put some of that Nintendo goodness on other devices?"
Because they're stubborn, and they have enough Wii Fit money and DS Lite money to last a long while.
Because they're stubborn, and they have enough Wii Fit money and DS Lite money to last a long while.
"Why not switch it up a bit and put some of that Nintendo goodness on other devices?"
Its called dilution. Why buy a $40 3DS Mario game when you can buy a $5 iPhone Mario game? Unless smartphones start annihilating the handheld market, it'd make Nintendo a TON of money on the short run (see: SquareEnix porting Final Fantasy games to the iPad) but it would kill the company in the long run.
Its called dilution. Why buy a $40 3DS Mario game when you can buy a $5 iPhone Mario game? Unless smartphones start annihilating the handheld market, it'd make Nintendo a TON of money on the short run (see: SquareEnix porting Final Fantasy games to the iPad) but it would kill the company in the long run.
The idea of 99 cent or even 2 dollar Nintendo games is disturbing. Iwata's point is about not devaluing what goes into quality games.
Hurray! I don't see who would win if they did, really.
Porting old games to touch devices never works, and those asking for Mario on their iPhones are retards blinded by iPhone mania, really.
New, exclusive games, then? Way to piss off your consumers by asking them to buy a smartphone to play your games.
Angry Birds money is chump change to Nintendo. Getting into that space would be the stupidest move ever.
Porting old games to touch devices never works, and those asking for Mario on their iPhones are retards blinded by iPhone mania, really.
New, exclusive games, then? Way to piss off your consumers by asking them to buy a smartphone to play your games.
Angry Birds money is chump change to Nintendo. Getting into that space would be the stupidest move ever.
"Why not switch it up a bit and put some of that Nintendo goodness on other devices?"
Because those devs arent trying to sell smartphones.
Because those devs arent trying to sell smartphones.
@Unsilent
This game is .99c
It's also extremely high in quality.
@Pandareaus
Angry Birds sold over 200 million. That's JUST Angry Birds 1.0 - not Seasons, or Rio.
That's chump change? From what I can see based on sales figures, that's twice what Kirby's Epic Yarn made in total.
That's sizable, and I can easily see why investors would suggest cornering this market. Even if the investors are just talking about Brain Age iOS or some shit, it doesn't matter; people think "Mario", and they think that's all Nintendo is. Investors could easily just mean they want to put out the next "Wii Fit" for phones, or the like. They just want money.
This game is .99c
It's also extremely high in quality.
@Pandareaus
Angry Birds sold over 200 million. That's JUST Angry Birds 1.0 - not Seasons, or Rio.
That's chump change? From what I can see based on sales figures, that's twice what Kirby's Epic Yarn made in total.
That's sizable, and I can easily see why investors would suggest cornering this market. Even if the investors are just talking about Brain Age iOS or some shit, it doesn't matter; people think "Mario", and they think that's all Nintendo is. Investors could easily just mean they want to put out the next "Wii Fit" for phones, or the like. They just want money.
I think the problem is that nintendo would charge too much on an phone, if not more to the point where no one would buy it. Not saying I like it, just saying nintendo doesn't know anything about today's market.
Idk why anyone expects anything different. Iwata's idea of outside the box thinking is giving mario or a sidekick or some shit. And who are we to judge, if it works to keep all there nintendo things on nintendo consoles (which is a debatable thing in itself) i guess they might as well (even though in my humble opinion opening up nintendo to new consumers on phones would help them print the money they seem like they are starting to need.....)
I salute Nintendo in this decision. They have smell of the most desirable exclusives that the gaming industry has to offer. Why mess that up by letting go of their exclusives and making cheap ports. Nintendo is about quality games and should stay that way.
I'm not a mobile gamer, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate the growing importance of the platform. This is just one more reason why Nintendo has lately looked like a lumbering dinosaur on its way to the tar pits.
Personally, I'm fine with this. Nintendo games deserve to have top-notch features that phones can't provide. You know, like fucking BUTTONS.
This interview is ancient....
@ people who think Nintendo apps are a good idea... why don't we also just demand ALL game companies make ONLY iphone/android apps?
Because I think Uncharted would be much better if it was less beutiful, had less interesting gameplay, and cost only 2$
@ people who think Nintendo apps are a good idea... why don't we also just demand ALL game companies make ONLY iphone/android apps?
Because I think Uncharted would be much better if it was less beutiful, had less interesting gameplay, and cost only 2$
I don't agree with new titles being ported or even developed for smartphones, but why not crush the emulator market singlehandedly? It has been proven time and time again that people are willing to purchase old titles on a new format, updated or not, so why not offer full support for GBA/SNES/etc? Put the virtual console on Android and offer a legal legitimate app for it. I'd love emulation that doesn't crash randomly.
Stupid move all around. you could dump all of the old shit onto as many outlets as possible... or you could slowly let your name brand fall apart and devalue itself.
Stupid move all around. you could dump all of the old shit onto as many outlets as possible... or you could slowly let your name brand fall apart and devalue itself.
You don't see the harm it would do? Are you dense? Touched in the head?
If Nintendo takes their software to other platforms people are going to stop buying their hardware, upon which they have been making bucket loads of money for decades. Soon after that they'll lose the ability to produce hardware, since no one will be buying it as it's less powerful and the Nintendo games people will be available elsewhere.
Before anyone knows it Nintendo will be a third-party developer like Sega, without the ability to directly influence the hardware upon which their games are played.
I've been sick of Nintendo's hardware designs for a long, long time, so I wouldn't mind this coming to pass. But I can't imagine a future that the Nintendo executives would hate more than to be a third-party developer for other people's hardware. They love the control (and profit) far too much.
If Nintendo takes their software to other platforms people are going to stop buying their hardware, upon which they have been making bucket loads of money for decades. Soon after that they'll lose the ability to produce hardware, since no one will be buying it as it's less powerful and the Nintendo games people will be available elsewhere.
Before anyone knows it Nintendo will be a third-party developer like Sega, without the ability to directly influence the hardware upon which their games are played.
I've been sick of Nintendo's hardware designs for a long, long time, so I wouldn't mind this coming to pass. But I can't imagine a future that the Nintendo executives would hate more than to be a third-party developer for other people's hardware. They love the control (and profit) far too much.
Young skeletor, yousee, the good folk at Nintendo Aren't whores, and have their own platforms that can support re-releases.
Also, nothing will crush the emulator market.
If people wanted to have these games (most of them, anyway) legitimetly, then they would.
Also, nothing will crush the emulator market.
If people wanted to have these games (most of them, anyway) legitimetly, then they would.
@Maniac
Smartphones are already annihilating the handheld market. Kids don't want the 3DS or PSP... they want an iPhone or Android device. They want that do-it-all gadget that all the adults have.
Anecdotally, my friend's kid will literally toss his DS on the floor and beg me to use my iPhone. I wince everytime I see him abuse his DS... I remember treating my games like they were faberge egg when I was 7.
Nintendo is in big trouble. They posted a $327 million dollar loss first quarter this year and I expect to see a similar loss posted for the rest of the fiscal year. Smartphones, lack of games and expensive games are clearly the reason why the 3DS is tanking. Why the fuck should I pay $39.99 for a game when I can get one of equal/higher quality, with better graphics on my iPhone often for 99c (or free if you're patient)?
I'd hate to see Ninty go down in flames, after all, if it wasn't for them I wouldn't be a gamer right now. But that's honestly where I see them headed if they stay their current course. Nintendo needs to adapt before the rug is pulled out from the completely.
Smartphones are already annihilating the handheld market. Kids don't want the 3DS or PSP... they want an iPhone or Android device. They want that do-it-all gadget that all the adults have.
Anecdotally, my friend's kid will literally toss his DS on the floor and beg me to use my iPhone. I wince everytime I see him abuse his DS... I remember treating my games like they were faberge egg when I was 7.
Nintendo is in big trouble. They posted a $327 million dollar loss first quarter this year and I expect to see a similar loss posted for the rest of the fiscal year. Smartphones, lack of games and expensive games are clearly the reason why the 3DS is tanking. Why the fuck should I pay $39.99 for a game when I can get one of equal/higher quality, with better graphics on my iPhone often for 99c (or free if you're patient)?
I'd hate to see Ninty go down in flames, after all, if it wasn't for them I wouldn't be a gamer right now. But that's honestly where I see them headed if they stay their current course. Nintendo needs to adapt before the rug is pulled out from the completely.
@Magnalon
Check your facts, Angry Birds didn't sell 200 million. It got downloaded 200 million times, maybe, but it did not sell 200 million times at $0.99.
Check your facts, Angry Birds didn't sell 200 million. It got downloaded 200 million times, maybe, but it did not sell 200 million times at $0.99.
@Magnalon
For a select few, .99 cents works fine and actually makes money. For everyone else? That model is not profitable, and it won't be long for the vast majority of mobile phone developers to start selling games at a relatively higher price.
Also, buttons fucking rule, add-ons that frankenstein buttons on to iPhones don't.
For a select few, .99 cents works fine and actually makes money. For everyone else? That model is not profitable, and it won't be long for the vast majority of mobile phone developers to start selling games at a relatively higher price.
Also, buttons fucking rule, add-ons that frankenstein buttons on to iPhones don't.
I agree, and i can't wait till sony and their fans demands a release of uncharted for the smartphones
Good, seriously, this is one thing I really do hope they stick to their guns on. Their shareholders have absolutely no idea what they're talking about or asking Nintendo to do, and have very little idea what integrity means from the looks of it. Guess thats what dollar signs do to you.
Nintendo may be having problems they need to cave into right now, but caving and making cell phone games isn't something they should be adding to their problems.
Nintendo may be having problems they need to cave into right now, but caving and making cell phone games isn't something they should be adding to their problems.
Death To Nintendo
by Scissors
How dare Nintendo not release their games on competing hardware? How dare they not spend that development money software for their own hardware with an uncertain future? They should take a note from Microsoft how they made Halo 3 a multiplatform release, or how Sony is releasing Uncharted 3 for Xbox and PC.
It's because they're a stubborn greedy company that only cares about money. Just because they've created these franchises and have been developing and publishing these games for decades doesn't give them rights to choose what to do with these games. How dare they be so arrogant to believe they can only develop games for their own consoles?
Nintendo only cares about money it's not like Iwata just cut his salary in half, it's not like they spend many years developing Zelda games to make sure they're up to quality. It's not like the company quote is " A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." It's not like they're making sequels to games that most never thought would happend like Luigi's Mansion 2, Sin and Punishment 2, & Kid Icarus Uprising.
Nintendo only cares about money that's why they chose they develop full fledged quality games for their consoles with precise controls, instead of making cheap cash grabs for an all touch screen device with virtual dpads and buttons that are not capable of the precision they're looking for.
Nintendo is a disgusting greedy company that does not care about videogames. Nearly all of their videogames are critically panned it's not like Super Mario Galaxy 2 has been called the greatest 3D platformer of all time by many people. No Nintendo games are of the worst quality the only reason their fanbase buys their games is because they're sheep who will buy anything with the Mario or Zelda name plastered on it.
Nintendo is an awful company. They make games that are safe for children. Children are the bane of the existence of this planet, and they certainly aren't the future. It's not like I was a child once, it's not like my love for videogames grew from the hours I spend playing Pokemon and a Link to the Past over and over again. Children don't deserve to play videgames because they are strictly for adults and are an artform.
Nintendo should die, it's not like they repopularized Video-games with the NES, or that the Wii broke barriers and changed the perspective people had on gamers no longer labeling us anti-social people who don't have a proper grasp of reality. Nintendo is an awful company that has never innovated anything all they do is provide a bunch of awful worthless gimmicks that cheapen the name of videogames.
Everyone who works for Nintendo should get onto a bus and drive themselves into a volcano. Who cares if they make games for the casual, child, retro-gamer, and niche gamer audience I don't fall into those categories so that means they shouldn't exist.
Wait no wait, I forgot I actually do like some Nintendo games. So I don't want them to disappear entirely, yeah. They should become a third part developer that's a great idea. Instead of wishing death on the company I want them suffer a horrible crash and come out crippled, that's totally not selfish of me, that way I won't have to buy one of their useles hunks of plastic they call hardware.
Yeah Nintendo should become third party because that worked out so amazingly for Sega, and Atari. Everyone knows that Sega and Atari are the most respected developers in videogames right now. Sega becoming third party was such a great Idea We've had so many yearly high quality games, and those sequels to Shenmue, Ristar, and Jet Set Radio were so good. Sega is so rich right now too they can afford to take risks andlocalize all of their games. Playing English versions of Valkyria Chronicles 3, and the Yakuza PSP games have made me so happy.
Seriously who care about Nintendo? They're not unique, they've never contributed anything important to videogames, and all of their games are of terrible quality. Having them just disappear would not be a significant lose to the videogame industry. Diversity is a terrible thing. Nintendo should just submit and get absorbed by Apple like Microsoft and Sony. Developing games for a button less console is the best thing they could have hopped for, in fact they're lucky that we're so considerate that we think it's okay for them to develop mobile games. Especially considering there isn't some stigma amongst gamers that mobile games are a waste of time. No we consider mobile games to be the highest quality of videogames and Nintendo should be lucky that we deem them worthy of developing for phones.
by Scissors
How dare Nintendo not release their games on competing hardware? How dare they not spend that development money software for their own hardware with an uncertain future? They should take a note from Microsoft how they made Halo 3 a multiplatform release, or how Sony is releasing Uncharted 3 for Xbox and PC.
It's because they're a stubborn greedy company that only cares about money. Just because they've created these franchises and have been developing and publishing these games for decades doesn't give them rights to choose what to do with these games. How dare they be so arrogant to believe they can only develop games for their own consoles?
Nintendo only cares about money it's not like Iwata just cut his salary in half, it's not like they spend many years developing Zelda games to make sure they're up to quality. It's not like the company quote is " A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." It's not like they're making sequels to games that most never thought would happend like Luigi's Mansion 2, Sin and Punishment 2, & Kid Icarus Uprising.
Nintendo only cares about money that's why they chose they develop full fledged quality games for their consoles with precise controls, instead of making cheap cash grabs for an all touch screen device with virtual dpads and buttons that are not capable of the precision they're looking for.
Nintendo is a disgusting greedy company that does not care about videogames. Nearly all of their videogames are critically panned it's not like Super Mario Galaxy 2 has been called the greatest 3D platformer of all time by many people. No Nintendo games are of the worst quality the only reason their fanbase buys their games is because they're sheep who will buy anything with the Mario or Zelda name plastered on it.
Nintendo is an awful company. They make games that are safe for children. Children are the bane of the existence of this planet, and they certainly aren't the future. It's not like I was a child once, it's not like my love for videogames grew from the hours I spend playing Pokemon and a Link to the Past over and over again. Children don't deserve to play videgames because they are strictly for adults and are an artform.
Nintendo should die, it's not like they repopularized Video-games with the NES, or that the Wii broke barriers and changed the perspective people had on gamers no longer labeling us anti-social people who don't have a proper grasp of reality. Nintendo is an awful company that has never innovated anything all they do is provide a bunch of awful worthless gimmicks that cheapen the name of videogames.
Everyone who works for Nintendo should get onto a bus and drive themselves into a volcano. Who cares if they make games for the casual, child, retro-gamer, and niche gamer audience I don't fall into those categories so that means they shouldn't exist.
Wait no wait, I forgot I actually do like some Nintendo games. So I don't want them to disappear entirely, yeah. They should become a third part developer that's a great idea. Instead of wishing death on the company I want them suffer a horrible crash and come out crippled, that's totally not selfish of me, that way I won't have to buy one of their useles hunks of plastic they call hardware.
Yeah Nintendo should become third party because that worked out so amazingly for Sega, and Atari. Everyone knows that Sega and Atari are the most respected developers in videogames right now. Sega becoming third party was such a great Idea We've had so many yearly high quality games, and those sequels to Shenmue, Ristar, and Jet Set Radio were so good. Sega is so rich right now too they can afford to take risks andlocalize all of their games. Playing English versions of Valkyria Chronicles 3, and the Yakuza PSP games have made me so happy.
Seriously who care about Nintendo? They're not unique, they've never contributed anything important to videogames, and all of their games are of terrible quality. Having them just disappear would not be a significant lose to the videogame industry. Diversity is a terrible thing. Nintendo should just submit and get absorbed by Apple like Microsoft and Sony. Developing games for a button less console is the best thing they could have hopped for, in fact they're lucky that we're so considerate that we think it's okay for them to develop mobile games. Especially considering there isn't some stigma amongst gamers that mobile games are a waste of time. No we consider mobile games to be the highest quality of videogames and Nintendo should be lucky that we deem them worthy of developing for phones.
I think they cold get away with putting some of the DS games that are entirely touch input on there, like the Kirby DS games, but in terms of games like Mario, Zelda or Metroid - they need precise controls, and I'm sorry but you're kidding yourself if you think you're going to get that on a touch screen, especially when you're playing a platformer. I agree with what Magnolon said about the Xperia Play, as that could easily emulate a lot of SNES/NES games as it actually has buttons - the problem with that however is that most smart phones now don't, and it'd leave a bunch of people with other smart phones (IOS Android, whatever) having to put up with imprecise touch controls.
Haha, games of equal or higher quality than Nintendo games for $0.99$ or free on phones don't exist.
iOS fans are batshit insane.
iOS fans are batshit insane.
You want to know how Nintendo can put their stuff on mobile phones without killing their handhelds?
Make a 2D Mario game and put it on the 3DS. Then make another 2D Mario game, except this one only lasts for one World and is an hour or two long, and put it on Mobile devices for $5. People who don't have a 3DS get to play it for a while and get teased at the end and now they might get tempted to go and get one with a full Mario adventure.
Even if Nintendo doesn't want to undermine their current handheld games, that doesn't mean they can't sell bite-sized games Dead Rising 2: Case Zero style on mobiles. They make money, and mobile gamers might be encouraged to go out and get a 3DS.
Make a 2D Mario game and put it on the 3DS. Then make another 2D Mario game, except this one only lasts for one World and is an hour or two long, and put it on Mobile devices for $5. People who don't have a 3DS get to play it for a while and get teased at the end and now they might get tempted to go and get one with a full Mario adventure.
Even if Nintendo doesn't want to undermine their current handheld games, that doesn't mean they can't sell bite-sized games Dead Rising 2: Case Zero style on mobiles. They make money, and mobile gamers might be encouraged to go out and get a 3DS.
For the record I have nothing against Apple or phone gaming. The more outlets to play games the better. I just wanted to use some satire to put the growing hatred towards Nintendo into perspective.
@Scissors:
How dare you steal my idea for my next blog post.
Also, why is no one pressuring Sony and Microsoft to make mobile phone games? I have an idea but I want to hear others first.
How dare you steal my idea for my next blog post.
Also, why is no one pressuring Sony and Microsoft to make mobile phone games? I have an idea but I want to hear others first.
Ok I think Nintendo games should stay on Nintendo consoles. howerver Would It be such a bad Idea to have the VR console on the Iphone with classic GB & GBC games I mean they could sell them for 2 maybe 3 bucks like on the E-shop its not like it would hurt them and there values will still be intact.
@Pandareus
Infinity Blade, Dungeon Huner 1/2, Rimelands, Fargoal, Dungeon Raid, Angry Birds, Fruit Ninja, Jetpack Joyride, Death Rally, Spider, Solomon's Keep, Space Miner, Sword & Sworcery, PvZ...
Shall I go on? All of those games at one point or another were 99c or free... all very excellent games. Can the 3DS run the Unreal 3 Engine? iPhone sure can.
I'm not batshit insane, I like good games and there's plenty to be had on the cheap. The Destructoid community at large has an irrational hatred of iOS games.
Infinity Blade, Dungeon Huner 1/2, Rimelands, Fargoal, Dungeon Raid, Angry Birds, Fruit Ninja, Jetpack Joyride, Death Rally, Spider, Solomon's Keep, Space Miner, Sword & Sworcery, PvZ...
Shall I go on? All of those games at one point or another were 99c or free... all very excellent games. Can the 3DS run the Unreal 3 Engine? iPhone sure can.
I'm not batshit insane, I like good games and there's plenty to be had on the cheap. The Destructoid community at large has an irrational hatred of iOS games.
I'm an iOS gamer, have been one since before there was an App Store.
I'm also a Nintendo gamer, I've owned every console and at least one iteration of each handheld (although no 3DS yet).
I agree with Iwata. The backbone of the Nintendo brand is their inhouse IP's. I don't think their shareholders are looking past the short-term gain releasing games on competing platforms would provide.
I'm also a Nintendo gamer, I've owned every console and at least one iteration of each handheld (although no 3DS yet).
I agree with Iwata. The backbone of the Nintendo brand is their inhouse IP's. I don't think their shareholders are looking past the short-term gain releasing games on competing platforms would provide.
If they decide in 2-3 years that the 3DS failed, I can easily see them developing for smart phones. Until then, it's not going to happen...
Magnalon, just because there are good games on tablets and smart phones dosen't mean that Nintendo's games need to be there to. Do you eat Ice cream on Steak? (Or some food of your preference that dosen't go good with ice cream)
Do not care, after the Wii... I'm done with Nintendo for a while.
Maybe I'll check out the 3DS and or the WiiU at some point in the future after they have pricedropped some (in the case of the 3DS some more) and their respective zelda/metroid games have been physically released. Not just promised as some vague on the horizon thing.
I still love you Nintendo .... but I think we should umm .... see other consoles....
Maybe I'll check out the 3DS and or the WiiU at some point in the future after they have pricedropped some (in the case of the 3DS some more) and their respective zelda/metroid games have been physically released. Not just promised as some vague on the horizon thing.
I still love you Nintendo .... but I think we should umm .... see other consoles....
@Ragnar Dragonfyre
Actually, no. They're not. Most analysts who say the iPhone is "killing" the handheld market are comparing watermelons to oranges. If you combined the sales of all PC hardware components and compared them to all dedicated video game hardware sales, "PC gaming" would annihilate "console gaming" but you don't see analysts saying that "PC gaming is killing console gaming!"
Smartphones are a serious competitor but expecting smartphones to replace dedicated handheld gaming devices is the same kind of doomsday soothsaying PC gamers have had to put up for over a decade now. Remember when the Xbox was supposed to kill PC gaming cause Microsoft was buying up developers and forcing them to develop on consoles? How about how more people CoD users play on consoles than PC? Or how constantly rising PC system requirements would drive customers away from PC gaming.
The sky is not falling, get over it.
Actually, no. They're not. Most analysts who say the iPhone is "killing" the handheld market are comparing watermelons to oranges. If you combined the sales of all PC hardware components and compared them to all dedicated video game hardware sales, "PC gaming" would annihilate "console gaming" but you don't see analysts saying that "PC gaming is killing console gaming!"
Smartphones are a serious competitor but expecting smartphones to replace dedicated handheld gaming devices is the same kind of doomsday soothsaying PC gamers have had to put up for over a decade now. Remember when the Xbox was supposed to kill PC gaming cause Microsoft was buying up developers and forcing them to develop on consoles? How about how more people CoD users play on consoles than PC? Or how constantly rising PC system requirements would drive customers away from PC gaming.
The sky is not falling, get over it.
Sony and Microsoft aren't making games for iOS.
Sine they're OBVIOUSLY the better company, you should go bug them right? /sarcasm
Sine they're OBVIOUSLY the better company, you should go bug them right? /sarcasm
Their games sell on their platforms. In fact, they sell more than most games now a days. Why would they put their content on a competitor's hardware? The 3DS has a good future ahead of it, it is currently the best selling console for the past 2 months and that's without the huge holiday boost, mario and mario kart, and most importantly Monster hunter. Hopefully all these people will shut up with the "doom and gloom" when the 3DS becomes one of the best handhelds to date.
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