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According to Nintendo's president Satoru Iwata, the laughable 512 megs of internal storage on the Wii only seems to be a concern for a '"small number" of customers. This is what he told investors recently, before hinting at a possible solution in the future, if only to appease "the most avid players." (Also known as "no longer their target audience" or "an afterthought.")

"We have to review the best possible solution to eliminate their inconvenience," he said, possibly forgetting that the Wii has both a USB port and a slot for an SD card.

Look, with WiiWare set to launch worldwide -- and the already successful Virtual Console -- it's unbelievable that a "solution" hasn't been introduced already. Honestly, I've downloaded a handful of Virtual Console games and have a number of saved games on my console, and I don't know for sure whether or not space is running low. Sorry, I don't speak magical fairy "blocks."

Has anyone here actually had an issue where they had to delete something off of their Wii's internal memory to make room?

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AlarmedMidget's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 16:00
AlarmedMidget
I have yet to download anything for the Wii. I was completely turned off by the Wii and its magical storage when I moved a game save to my SD card, only to find that now I couldn't continue my game without storing it back in flash memory. Nintendo == fail...in my book.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 16:05
king3vbo
Ugh, foresight is a nice thing to have
GuitarAtomik's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 16:05
GuitarAtomik
I haven't really downloaded anything for my Wii either since I'm not down with the VC but if these WiiWare games are any good I will. A hard drive (that you could actually execute stuff off of) would get rid of one of my chief concerns of the Wii and is going to be much needed if WiiWare takes off.
PaperBowser0's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 16:07
PaperBowser0
yeah, I agree with you GuitarAtomik. I've downloaded a couple of VC games, but with WiiWare coming up, my space is going to be getting smaller and smaller. :(
entrager's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 16:07
entrager
I haven't had issues, but a friend of mine says he has to delete things after around 20 VC downloads.
liquidninja's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 16:14
liquidninja
Basically they still want core gamers to be happy.
I think the nunchuck and classic controller already pointed that out.
njsykora's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 16:23
njsykora
Space is becoming a premium on my system too with 20 VC titles now on the dashboard. It does reassure me though to hear Iwata speaking of this small number being the most avid players. Its comforting to know that they realise that that small number are likely to be the audience that are likely to give the download services the most business and therefore the ones that need the extra storage even if its just so they download more.
Novakaine's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 16:28
Novakaine
I only have four Virtual Console games downloaded, but I'm not touching WiiWare (or VC aside from select games) until they release a storage solution.
CBunn's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 16:31
CBunn
What I REALLY want to know is: When we get the next Nintendo console, will the games I bought be available for me again? if they promise me something like steam (buy once, log with you ID, there you have the games you bought) I'd really go nuts in the VC front. As of now, it doesn't seem so enticing.
Also, give me a goddamn portable with digital distribution. the r4 is kicking nintendo in the nuts. I'd gladly pay for the roms, but buying the game, waiting for it to get here, etc etc.. it's not like ds games are huge, they are 128 Mb tops. I still buy the ones I really like, but I'm realizing that I cant be bothered with them. when I go out, do i take my cartridge that have 20 games, or do I take the phantom hourglass with me?

Next ds, just put a ds slot, and sell your games trough some website, or better yet, right on the portable. Hell, the next guy who goes full-on digital distribution gets all my money. no more fussing with cds and whatnot. XBLA and PSN are steps in the right direction
CBunn's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 16:36
CBunn
whoops, in "Next ds, just put a ds slot" I meant
Next ds, just put a SD slot
Evil Cheese's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 16:38
Evil Cheese
I haven't had much of a problem with storage yet. I haven't downloaded a whole lot of VC games though. Not because I don't like the VC, it's either usually out of laziness, lack of money, or the fact that I still have original copies of most of my favorite SNES and N64 games. WiiWare is starting to make me consider it, but I also have a 2 GB SD card sitting in my Wii just waiting to be used.
Brian Szabelski's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 16:41
Brian Szabelski
Not yet. I haven't bought much off the Virtual Console for two reasons: I own a lot of it already, and storage space concerns. Eliminating one of them, especially with WiiWare on the way, would do a good job towards changing my stance.
topgeargorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 16:54
topgeargorilla
I haven't had space issue, but I know extra memory would allow for patches and DLC. Rock Band Wii could be fixed and there could be DLC. Brawl could be fixed, and there could be DLC. Mario Kart Wii could get DLC.

Pretty much any game could be better with more memory. since Nintendo is so good at compression, a 2 gig card could last a long time, and really compete with 360 and PS3 downloads. I'm not talking 1-3 gigs, but expansions could be done.
lowercaseluke's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 17:12
lowercaseluke
I download plenty and it's not an issue at all.

HOLY SHIT SOMEBODY STANDING UP FOR NINTENDO


512 megs is enough, get over it. MICROMANAGE >:(
JoeCamNet's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 17:35
JoeCamNet
No, 512 megs is NOT enough. And you're obviously lying that you download "plenty" or your definition of "plenty" is vastly different than the majority of the world.
I download a lot of VC games and after only a couple of N64 games (like Paper Mario, Kirby 64 and Sin & Punishment), your memory is already getting low. Add in the dozens of other games I've bought from all of the different systems and I have to routinely delete older games to put new ones there and it sucks deciding if I want to pass up buying a new game or decide to delete Gunstar Heroes or any of the Zelda games.
The least they could do is make it so that backing up a game to an SD card doesn't take so goddamned long. I've given up on backing up games because it'd be quicker to just fire up the Shop Channel and redownload the thing.

With WiiWare coming, not to mention the Nintendo Channel, space is going to be eaten up way too quickly.

I'd personally love to know what those in Japan go through since they get more VC games than us, they've had the Everybody's Nintendo Channel and they already have WiiWare.
Come on Nintendo, give us some kind of storage...
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 17:42
Holyetheline
I was once addicted to downloading VC games... then I filled up my memory on my wii and had to delete stuff to add more stuff... I didn't like the idea of not having immediate access to EVERYTHING I had originally paid for so I stopped downloading games. Deleting them was such a pain in the ass...

I vowed to not download any more VC or WiiWare until Nintendo resolves this issue.
hools vern's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 18:01
hools vern
They really need to fix it if they are gonna make WiiWare viable, and I really want WiiWare to succeed because it's looking to have some of the best games for the system but I'm not gonna feel comfortable buying them if I'm going to be expected to just delete them and buy them again just to save space. They built the fucking thing with a USB port it's about fucking time they used it.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 18:51
pedrovay2003
Space hasn't been an issue for me just yet. My issue is not being able to put VC games on an SD card and running them off of the SD card. And not being able to back up certain saves. Fix those and I don't think any extra storage will even be needed.
Psychedelic Sex Machine's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 18:55
Psychedelic Sex Machine
I have over 30 VC games. It's not a problem.

Actually, I've yet to run out of space, but that's because I simply store the VC games I know I won't play for awhile on an SD card. Works fine.

That said, I'd like to see a storage solution if for no other reason than to allow people to buy Wiiware games without worry or hassle. A service like this deserves every oppurtunity to shine.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 20:55
Cowboy TTop
Its great to hear Nintendo are sorting the problem out, but not so great that they can't eat some humble pie, and admit they were wrong with that stupid 512mb.

Hard drives are dropping in price per storage amount, all the time, so I think its complete balls that even a Nintendo branded external hasn't hit the market yet. 10-20gb external would have been fine at Wii launch, but no, Nintendo had to have the high ground of righteousness. This proves how backwards they can be sometimes.

However, while I think they are underplaying the problem to admit their wrong (thus saving face), I'd welcome them fixing this problem, and I'm sure a lot of other gamers and developer/publishers would too. Perhaps then we can at last see Wii downloadble game demos, to help push other games than just Nintendo's. This would only help Wii in the long run, as they too must surely be looking at the potential Wii Ware storage problem.
Rhoq's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 20:57
Rhoq
I ran out of space about 5 or 6 Virtual Console games ago. I also had to clear out space for SSBB's ridiculously huge save file and for the Mario Kart Wii Channel. I've got about 10 VC games on my SD card right now because of space issues.
JonDarkwood's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 21:08
JonDarkwood
Destructoid's skeptical users hint at lack of confidence that Nintendo can actually get it right.
JonDarkwood's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 21:26
JonDarkwood
p.s. 64mb of RAM is all you'll ever need guys!!!1one
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 22:56
Aaron Mxy Yost
According to my magical fairy block translator, I'm about 3 more N64 titles away from having to delete stuff to free up space. With WiiWare right on the horizon, it probably won't be long now. I don't understand how the Photo Channel can load up hundreds of megs worth of pictures and video in a second or how Excitetruck is able to play mp3s from the SD card, yet we can't just play backed up VC titles from directly from it. I know several Wii owners who stopped buying VC games because they ran out of space. Give us a external storage option already.
BlackSunEmpire's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 23:08
BlackSunEmpire
Im sure Chad can give us the most insight into the VC issues.

Also, as njsykora said, the 'avid gamers' are the gamers that will make Wiiware fly or die. If they don't sort out the storage issue, it shows Nintendo is unable to change direction when what they're doing is wrong. That's not a good thing.
PaperBowser0's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/02/2008 23:52
PaperBowser0
@lowercaseluke: no, it's not enough, I love Nintendo and own every single console and handheld that they've put out, but 512 is definetly not enough if you download Virtual Console games and then with the WiiWare games that you download plus the DLC for some of those games, you just start to loose space really fast.
necrozen's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2008 00:36
necrozen
Storage has been a major difficulty for me. I haven't counted in a while, but 6 months ago I had something like 53 VC games(I think now it's in the 70s at least). And that includes all the N64 games. So as it stands I'm constantly moving things between wii dedicated memory and the sd card.

I wish there was a way I could have everything in one place, but I realize that I am a very small minority, and I can't expect a huge company to devote a ton of resources for something that me and the other 5 people who spent $2000000 on VC would buy and no one else.

Either way, the VC rocks and I will keep downloading games reguardless. If I run out of room on one SD card I'll just lay down another $20. No big deal.

And when WiiWare hits - hooboy. I'm going to be DLing like crazy.
protomark's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2008 00:51
protomark
hasn't this been a pattern with nintendo for a while now? does anybody remember the expansion pak? the gameboy advance? the game boy pocket? the first-gen DS? the classic controller that costs an extra 20 bucks?

i've never known post-1997 nintendo to release hardware without at least one glaring flaw, to fix 6 months down the line with a peripheral or redesign. it 'stimulates the market.'
Rider Chop's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2008 01:44
Rider Chop
sometimes I go willy nilly (yeah, I said it) buying VC games and ultimately realize I dont need them. so far the only ESSENTIAL VC games I own are River City Ransom, Mario World, Sin and Punishment, Soldier Blade, Gunstar Heroes and Streets of Rage 2. until Earthbound/some other awesome SNES rpg comes out Im pretty much done with the VC.
Psychedelic Sex Machine's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2008 03:34
Psychedelic Sex Machine
@Rider Chop: If you don't have Super Metriod or A Link to the Past, then what the hell have you been wasting your Wii points on?!
Rifter01's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2008 04:32
Rifter01
I'm hoping for either open SD card access (loadable games off SD) or maybe even an Nin.WFC online storage solution.. I'd settle for an USB ext.hard drive & all.. But knowing Nintendo it would cost too much (over $100++) and run out of space again.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2008 05:41
Cowboy TTop
This is why I think Nintendo's head suits need a bit of a blood letting, because this 512mb idea sounds like something they would push out. I would really like to know who's call that was.

Even bloody GC should have had a hard drive, as it would have chaged its fortunes back then, but lack of one and online gaming help kill it.

I hope to god Nintendo have this hard drive on show at E3 (a safe bet, if not some info about it), as WiiWare may well die an early death without it.
Burnt Meatloaf's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2008 05:53
Burnt Meatloaf
If this mythical option is an external hard drive, buying it would probably put the cost of your Wii equal to the cost of a 360.

Lovely. So much for the "affordable" racket.
Scammeleon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2008 08:05
Scammeleon
@ lowercaseluke "512 megs is enough, get over it. MICROMANAGE >:("

512 megs is not enough. I've had my wii since launch day, and since last summer I've been struggling with my memory. Yes I've got SD cards to store stuff on, and yes I do "micromanage", but it's still a pain waiting for sin and punishment, or ocarina to copy themselves from one thing to the other whenever I want to playt them. Don't get me wrong, there's enough memory to store enough VC games, but once you've run out of memory you have to start moving the stuff that takes up the most memory, which takes ages. If I want to play Mario 64 which I'm storing on my SD card, I have to first move erase something of a similar size (e.g. starfox 64) and then copy it from the SD card again, which takes just too long enough for me to bother half the time, which means I rarely get to play such games.
The main problem is that the Wii's memory is all it has. Yes the SDs can have data copied/moved onto them, but there are very very few games that use the SD card directly, meaning permanent shuffling whenever I get a new game, as I can't just have a switchable storage for respective games like in the last generation (and for the 360 I guess), which just adds unnessessary hassle.

I'm really hoping for a harddrive like device for the wii, or even better, just the ability to directly read of an SD card, I know a lot of you don't agree or see the point but when my 360 is sitting there all smug with its 120g brain it makes my poor wii feel a little inadequet with its rapidly shrinking headspace.
tincow's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2008 10:24
tincow
I think everybody sees the point...

A bunch of Wii bashers are coming to declare that it should have shipped with a 100 gig drive, even though it would logically have inflated the price and only like 5% of the user base at most would use the space. But what else is new.

The only concern is how good their solution will be and how fast they can get it out. It's probably like half a percent tops of people even concerned about space..but of course it's going to grow if WiiWare is successful.
iliketuna's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2008 11:37
iliketuna
THEY NEED TO FIX NINTENDO WIFI

People havent been able to finish a Pokemon battle in the past few days!! This is ridiculous!
Projectexodus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2008 13:11
Projectexodus
I'm not getting a single Virtual Console game untill they're available in 60hz mode!
JonDarkwood's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2008 15:52
JonDarkwood
If it's a legitimate complaint from owners of the product, it's more like dissatisfaction than "wii bashing." I don't think 100gb is necessary, but 512mb is a stupidly small amount of storage space these days.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2008 17:55
Darren Nakamura
I know Chad has had to move stuff to an SD card, but then, he reviews Virtual Console games.
Hoss's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2008 21:10
Hoss
i have to be selective with my purchases on virtual console... if i didnt have to worry about storage i would splurge and take risks and just say "fuck it" half the time

cmon nintendo...may not seem "casual"...but its practical
Bizznet's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2008 21:38
Bizznet
I have about 150 blocks left on my Wii's storage after all the virtual console games I've downloaded. Also, thanks, Nintendo, for still having the only console that displays its save data as "blocks".
kohelhunter's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 06:45
kohelhunter
nintendo displays them as block because appherently we dont grasp the concept of megs and gigs. Its our own fault :( lol
Psychedelic Sex Machine's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 11:41
Psychedelic Sex Machine
I gotta say, it's not hard to transfer VC games to an SD and back. It's not unlike putting a disc in your Wii and taking it out.
Comrade Snarky's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/05/2008 08:26
Comrade Snarky
They make pretty ginormous SD cards these days -- why not simply allow us to run VC/WW games off of SD memory?
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