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Nintendo posts huge loss in first quarter photo

Nintendo has released their quarterly financial results for the three months ending in June 2011 and it is not pretty. Net sales are down fifty percent from the same period last year, totaling just under 94 billion yen and the company operated at a loss of 25.5 billion yen. Factors which contributed to the disappointing showing include marketing for the 3DS and the strength of the yen over the dollar but it's really all about lackluster sales.

Painting a clear picture as to the reasons for today's price drop, Nintendo 3DS sales were bleak at 710,000 hardware units. Seeing as the console launched in North America and Europe merely a week prior to the start of the quarter, that's a pretty rough number, and Nintendo acknowledges a lack of hit titles as a contributing factor with only 4.53 million software units sold. Other DS hardware collectively sold 1.44 million units and Nintendo is attributing 1.56 million Wii units to the price drop and bundling of Mario Kart Wii back in May.








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M47R1X's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 05:04
M47R1X
This has absolutely nothing to do with only having shovelware + ports for the (as it stands currently) overpriced f***er of minds, amirite?
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 05:08
Stealth
The ds sold 50k units a month in the US for 2 years.

Those numbers arent bleak

"marketing for the 3DS" and "bleak sales" arent the same damn thing. Come on destructoid.

Nintendo is actually happy about those kind of sales. Much higher than any other system the put out at first
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 05:11
Stealth
I love it how destructoid twists whats said when it isnt said.

"nintendo actually said this" but its really something I am just now about to make up.

Nintendo said they have a problem with 3ds marketing. And then they immidiately attack the sales which were never mentioned because they need something to write about


The 3ds has currently been in first 4 out of 6 weeks in japan with 2 second place finishes and US sales that are completely outclassing the ds.
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 05:16
Stealth
http://www.1up.com/news/gba-outsells


This was every fucking month for 2 years. This happens to be at the 6 month point
llort het's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 05:18
llort het
Nintendo has been floundering since the n64 (except for GBA/DS). Then they managed to hook the money cows that are known as casuals. They got cocky and refused to drop the prices of their software/hardware, and reduced focus on hardcore gamers. Now the honeymoon is over and Nintendo has learned how fickle casual gamers are. They couldn't sell the 3DS to them based on the 3D tech alone, and the Wii is dead in the water. Honestly if they can't hook the casuals again, I think the Wii U might be their last console, and I really hope it is, because honestly, Nintendo seems like it needed a swift kick in the ass and I'd like to see them focusing on innovative games instead of motion control/touch screen crap.
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 05:21
Stealth
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/07/28/nintendo_earnings/

Heres a link to the actual forecast for anyone that cares about the truth


"It also lowered shipment forecasts for Wii and DS, but kept 3DS shipment targets unchanged and increased 3DS software targets."

Did anyone think this is the reason to thelowered profits?
ricochetguro's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 05:23
ricochetguro
Oh well. Hopefully, the 3ds price drop will get sales warmed up.

At least Nintendo is admitting its not doing amazing. Not bad though considering where the ds was compared to the 3ds and it didn't launch anywhere near a holiday. Hopefully the bulk of games will be here soon!
Sonic9jct's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 05:25
Sonic9jct
Can't say I didn't see this one coming.
Scissors's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 05:27
Scissors
This will be the final nail in Nintendo's coffin, soon Miyamoto will be working with Cliffy B on the new Gears of War 4: Mario Goes Mental, Iwata will spontaneously combust and disintegrate into a million pieces. Reggie Fils-Aime will start working cashier in a Payless shoe store. Then all Nintendo fans will rush to the stores to purchase 360s, and any Nintendo fanboys who refuse will be packed onto a school bus and pushed into a Volcano. We will all join hands and sing the Halo: Combat evolved theme song around a burning fire we have made of every Nintendo hardware and software product in existence. Anyone who is caught hiding a Nintendo product will be forced to play Grabbed by the Ghoulies, This is teh future, Nintendo is dead, long live Microsoft.
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 05:28
Stealth
@ricochet

Nintendo never said anything about the 3ds other than being a success in the forecast if you consider an increase in software projection and the same high hardware projection bad.


Nintendo is doing bad on the ds and wii front. Not on the 3ds front as the forecast said.
Paroxysm's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 05:30
Paroxysm
Maybe they'll learn not to be such controlling cunts that are completely out of touch with their fanbase.

haha just kidding of course they won't.
Chad Almasy's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 05:31
Chad Almasy
Good. Those jerks need a dose of reality to snap them back to reality.
Scissors's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 05:35
Scissors
On a serious note this kind of explains why Nintendo has refused to Localize "those" 3 games alot of Japanese centric games are going unlocalized right now, and publishing these in the U.S. is risky, but at the same time that's a bad idea Pandora's Tower probably wouldn't have done too well (though it's the one I want the most) Xenoblade could have helped push some Wiis, and if they did some T.V commercials for Last Story that said "made by the creator of Final Fantasy" then it definitely would have sold well, and been a hit.
sofik88's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 05:50
sofik88
i'm with Stealth on this one especially considering how big marketing campaigns are for nintendo products.
on Wii's campaign Nintendo spend over 200mln$ in US alone just in first year and nearly 100mln$ for every single year after that.
DS also had several gigantic campaign - like UK's Touch Me that cost nearly 40mln euros.

loss has nothing to do with slow sales considering how much Nintendo is making per unit it's because lower software sales and mostly marketing campaign for 3DS, Wii, DS(and possibly Wii U's).
TheNephilym's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 06:05
TheNephilym

Stealth ^
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 06:09
Stealth
I am just sick of the mis reporting around here.

But of course you can get away with it when you dont even link the forecast. You can make people believe anything I guess.
Dakilazical's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 06:31
Dakilazical
I love my 3DS but I do find myself playing Gameboy and DSiware games more than anything else. OoT is the only must play title and even that's a tough sell considering most of us have played it a few times already. I forgot how long it takes to get your damn horse!
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 06:32
Stealth
The 3ds numbers were actually pretty damn good hence the higher forecast

Its the ds and wii that fell off the cliff hence the lowered forecast

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/07/28/nintendo_earnings/

"Nintendo cited stronger-than-expected yen appreciation, sales performance, the price reduction of the 3DS hardware, and sales outlook for the holiday season. "

"The company expects to sell 9 million DS systems, 16 million 3DS system and 12 million Wii systems. The 3DS figure is unchanged, but the DS and Wii figures are down respectively from 11 million and 13 million.

On the software forecast front, the company expects to sell more 3DS software. Compared to the 62 million it announced in April, it now expects 70 million units. DS software forecasts were cut from 67 million to 62 million. Wii was cut from 120 million to 110 million."



Posting one more time so people can see whats actually happening, and not something made up.
AceFlibble's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 06:56
AceFlibble
@Stealth The 3DS may have actually sold fairly well but it didn't light the world ablaze as Nintendo expected. That's their problem. They've gotten used to, over the last few years, constantly setting new sales records. They expected the 3DS to continue the trend and it hasn't. Now, people outside of the company may look at the sale figures of the 3DS and think they're pretty strong, but the suits higher up and investors are going to be disappointed by anything which isn't record-breaking.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:00
Tubatic
Hi Stealth, thanks for the links... but I'm coming to the same conclusion as Conrad...

"Nintendo posted an operating loss of 37,712 million yen over the period, compared to the 23,342 million operating gain last year. Net loss remained level at 25,516 million yen"

and

"Reasons cited by Nintendo for the losses included the exchange rate, costs associated with advertising the 3DS, and costs related to research and development for the upcoming Wii U system."

I didn't study economics in school, but it follows to me that if you're attributing marketing on a product you sell to be part of your loss, that marketing did not receive a Return on Investment to balance the money spent. They didn't sell enough 3DS units to cover the marketing costs. So, the 3DS sold poorly compared to expectations.

Am I missing something? honestly, not sarcastically. Because I want you to get your point across effectively.
Osaka's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:02
Osaka
Got a sudden craving for salad.
radiopools's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:09
radiopools
It's a terrifying day when I am faced with the concept that Nintendo may not be around forever.
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:16
Stealth
The ds didnt light the world on fire. And actually to nintendo it was only 400k short so it pretty much did do as nitnendo expected.

And if anyone things a new system will ever record break is a fool.


If they are saying we didnt spend enough money on marketing and sales are actually pretty good. Then its something different.


All 3ds forecasts went up. The 3ds went above expectations this quarter.

And thats really not suprising. The 3ds has gotten off to a better start than the ds
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:18
Stealth
The 3ds is estimated to sell 16 million this year.

The 3ds is estimated to be the highest selling system in japan this year.

Why?

A low price, a lineup of big name exclusives that no other system can match ( mario, kid icarus, pokemon, FF, DQ)
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:19
Tubatic
@radiopools

Whoa, now I wouldn't go that far. Nintendo's a pretty savvy company, and manages their financials pretty well. While I think Stealth is running real hard defense force, I think he's right in noting that these aren't necessarily gloom and doom (which I wasn't really getting from the info or the way the article was written).

Price cut on 3DS probably puts them just at selling to break even (since every nintendo console sells for a profit day one). No bleeding, save for marketing cost, presumably, because people love price cuts.

Losses posted for WiiU development? sure it happens. Hopefully it pays off (probably will, imo)

Net loss compared to bananas / gangbuster numbers for the Wii craze of the past few years? Well, that's a hard act to follow, right? And hey... there really just isn't anything going on there. perhaps a calculated move to keep things level and cool until the next big console release? Boring, but maybe sound business.

All considered, I don't think Nintendo going out of business is all that likely. Not with anything we've seen of how they perform and operate in general.

But hey, I'm no Micheal Pachter.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:23
Tubatic
@Stealth

"The 3ds is estimated to be the highest selling system in japan this year.

Why? "

Because lowballing your estimates will lower your shareholder buy in. :)
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:25
Stealth
@tubatic

I am not running "defense force". I just want the article linked with exactly what nintendo has said.

If nintendo said sales stunk in the forecast. I cant argue with that

But they said the opposite. So I get annoyed.
bluemeep's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:35
bluemeep
If they were releasing games I want to play, I would have bought a 3DS by now. It's that simple.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:39
Tubatic
@stealth
Well no quarrel about the link. It is preferrable.

But, I still figure that attributing marketing for a product to a loss indicates that sales didn't perform as expected. Doesn't that make sense?
mi6bomb's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:39
mi6bomb
Hah, =D. (BRB guys, grabbing a salad)
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:42
Stealth
They said they didnt spend enough money on marketing. They didnt market a product to a loss.

The 3ds was the only brightspot on that report. Which makes sense since 2 systems are on the way out
SirNinjaFace's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:42
SirNinjaFace
This comment section just made my day! why pictures of what appears to be random women eating healthy snacks is funny i don't know!? But it made me laugh!
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:49
Bakewell
Fuck. Anyone get the feeling Stealth likes nintendo?
Nobunaga Oda's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:51
Nobunaga Oda
Nintendo Should Hire Stealth to work for the company. Nobody would see him coming.
meteorscrap's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:56
meteorscrap
I love how reporting on Nintendo actually telling people "Hey, we lost money..." results in screams of BIAS! by Nintendo fanboys.

Guys, every company can have a bad quarter. Dead or Alive: Dimensions and Ocarina of Time aside, the 3DS doesn't really have much on it right now that'll provoke people to buy. Hell, they just posted an eighty-dollar price drop. That doesn't happen if things are going well.

Nintendo can stumble every once in a while. Remember the N64 and Gamecube? Of course you do! This isn't the first bleak period and it won't be the last. Nintendo =/= infallible.
Nyktharas's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:58
Nyktharas

^Stealth
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 07:59
Stealth
Dont mis understand me. All I am saying is the 3ds didnt do poorly as represented in this article and as shown in the forecast.


Whether nintendo (as a company), the ds, or wii did poorly is another issue which is actually backed up in the forecasts.
Evk's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 08:02
Evk
Can we get some pillowfight pictures in here?
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 08:06
LittleBigD
I'll pick one up when they get down to $99. By the sounds of it that should only be a few more weeks away.
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2011 08:14
Stealth
By the way the ds also got a price drop early on. But I guess its convienent to forget that
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