Everything I was going to say in this comment is summed up by the spousal abuse metaphor.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy the Wii exists and Nintendo is doing what they're doing. They are expanding the game market and while they may skew more towards casual players, I don't think it is unreasonable to think that people brought into casual gaming might one day start to check out some of those game aimed at the more traditional gamer, which is ultimately a good thing. But Jim's right, Nintendo needs to stop pretending that it is doing a lot for all types of gamers, they aren't. I'm not sure if I would care it core gamers or not, and I wouldn't say you can't be a core gamer and choose the Wii as your system of choice but the bottom line is that Nintendo has consistently failed to provide a product that appeals to some segments of the gaming population like myself and they need to stop getting indignant when we say the Wii isn't interesting to us and telling us something is on the way.
I don't really care what's on the way, I'm not buying your product until there is something interesting I can do with it right now.
E3 2008 sucked. No shit. Everyone knows that. Get over it.
I've never seen so many words say so little. Condescending? How? Because Wii Music and Animal Crossing bombed? That's not condescending, that's just dumb.
It's funny how I could use the exact same arguments you make about Microsoft. One Halo and Call of Duty after another and everyone is happy. 2009 is the year of sequels. Period. It doesn't matter what platform you choose. Not every Holiday can be spectacular. Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros. came out in the first half of the year with Animal Crossing, Wii Music and WarioLand left to pick up the slack. It didn't work too well.
It's not like we've never seen this before. What did 2004 have? Metroid Prime 2 and Zelda: Four Swords? I think that's it.
Nintendo experiments and tries to give you great games and you shit on them for their attempted inventions. Some will be successful (Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit), some won't (Wii Music), but at least the company is TRYING.
I have to question any writer who attacks yet another Metroid, Mario and Zelda title but doesn't attack yet another Call of Duty and Halo. Way to go hypocrisy.
Not really sure why you are more bothered by Nintendo's shitty marketing teams and bastard executive appearances than the squandering of what could have been one of the best system out there, but hey sure, pull out that dusty axe and grind away.
Now that the grinding has begun, I have to add that I haven't bought a single wii game since Mario Kart, and I'm not sure I can find anything that I've 'missed.'
That said, I'm pretty stoked about Muramasa next month.
Had my wii for a year then got rid of it and got a ps3 with the money i got for the wii plus games...never looked back.
That's what's happened to nintendo, i held my gamecube and Ps2 as a winning combo meerly because the games nintendo was putting out were still ok, but now they're just releasing a product, it's a well oiled machine of casual Q&A and dev farms who now don't even need to make models since all they have to use are the mii's we put together ourselves. MAX money for minimal effort.
Maybe his job is not to write articles... maybe it's just to get people reading his shit and then infuriating them enough to put comments on top of his garbage. If his job was to write proper, thoughtful articles, he'd be unemployed already.
While I agree with you, his lack of attacks on Halo or CoD have less to do with hypocracy and more to do with the theme of the article. It wouldn't do to point out Halo or COD releases in an artie about Nintendo.
Though I have to agree that this article s little more then wasted space from someone who acts entitled to having his ass wiped. While there is a valid point to be made that NoA focus too much on casual (especially since there are great non-casual games from NoJ), but to focus on a company's supposed attitude toward core gamers and said gamer's response when something they like is announced? That's like writing an article about a boyfrind who only focuses some of his time on his girlfriend and not all of his time, then bitching about how inconsiderate he is. So congrats Jim, you're writing like you belong in that Seventeen mag.
That's something you don't hear every day *ahem*
As a Wii owner, I believe that it is only possible to compare the quality of Wii games to OTHER Wii games. Its like being in a room full of ugly women and saying that the girl with the unibrow and MOST of her teeth is hotter than the girl with a cleft palate and a wooden eye. If flailing your gimmicky little nunchakas around and balance-boarding your days away is your thing than the Wii is the way to go. But there should be NO denying that Nintendo's Uber-system isn't even remotely on par with its competition when it comes to quality of games overall.
Out of the current titles on Wii Super Mario Galaxy was that last one that really blew me away with how quality that game is. Though when playing it I just cept remembering older times I've had with Mario. Partially because the game threw flashback enemies and items at you at every turn as if to say "Hey remember back in Mario 3 where we had the Giant Goomba's in giant world? Those were good times right?". I finished the game collected all the stars and never touched it again. Why? Challenge as great as an experience as that game was it can never recapture the magic of the old 2D games were even though the enemies were in the same place everytime you felt like you would get a different experience each time you played it. And that every time you started the game that ol'challenge would be right there staring you in the face.
To me Nintendo is like celeb thats desperately clinging to that last ounce of spotlight.
i've traded away any of the wii games i have purchased now except for the four titles i actually enjoyed. though i'm not really a big motion sensor enthusiast, the options now exist (however good/bad), for both xbox and ps3.
all i can safely say is that all nintendo really has going for it is the faint glimmer of indie games on wiiware and a few dusty old IPs which i think we're all getting tired of, however unfortunate that may be with regards to nostalgia.
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I agree, we should also stop comparing direct to DVD movies to other full release movies, because the only reason that the D-to-DVD movies suck so much is because we compare them to their better more well-made counterparts, that's why uwe boll sucks so much, it's just because we compare his movies to other non-uwe boll films.
I love how if this was an anti-sony or MS rant ALL of these posts would be pro jim sterling for speaking the "truth"
Of all of these, Nintendo seems to be faring the best at least in terms of overall popularity, so it doesn't seem reasonable to single them out when arguably, they're doing the best job of appealing to consumers.
Look everybody.
Another dime-a-dozen editorial/blog coming from a guy who apparently feels threatened or is completely out of touch with the reality of the wii.
Expanding an audience =/= abandoning another, and it's pretty mind boggling how we see the consoles current and future lineup constantly overlooked by "gamers" like this. This whole trend is so sad, and the people behind it remain almost unbelievably clueless.
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The last game I bought for my Wii was Blast Works or Zack & Wiki, that being said I don't mind having dry-spells of games I am personally interested in since then I can give time to another console. I am also really looking forward to Muramasa this fall.
Jim was just voicing some frustration he had with Nintendo itself, not the Wii console. I can understand why people may be upset with Nintendo. Jim writes many articles criticizing any of the three companies and yet in each one people always say "omg but the other companies...!".
I agree with many of your base points. I haven't played a quality Wii game in a very long time (other than Punch out). I've lost faith in Nintendo, and no amount of Mario/Metroid/Zelda can change that.
you gotta be kidding cause out of all three devs, Microsoft doesn't make it's own games ever, they bought studios that make games and shut down alot of the better ones anyways.
At least sony has shown trailers for games that sony gamers are actually asking for like GoW3 and The last guardian. Also giving free online services to those same customers, there are NO additional charges past actually purchasing your console which IS something gamers want.
Nintendo took 3 years to come up with one picture for a new zelda, 1 trailer for a metroid they gave to a 3rd party dev to make, and a remake of a DS game. and let's not mention the pikmin debacle.
Nintendo definitely hasn't been as good to us as it has in past generations, that is for sure. I have very few first party titles for my Wii. However, there is more than enough third party love to keep me entertained. XSEED, Capcom, Marvelous, Grasshopper, Platinum, High Voltage and Sega have offered far more this generation than Nintendo has.
However, you would have to wonder if the Wii didn't have that install base, how many of these developers/publishers would be putting quality titles out for Wii in the numbers they do.
Regardless, I've never really felt the need to have more than one system in a generation before but I'm PS3 shopping right now. Nintendo's poor online is driving longtime fans to their competition. Five or ten years ago I wouldn't have thought about buying a Playstation.
to the people who claim that more halo or call of duty games are just as bad as more Mario, those games havent been around for 20
YEARS!! for gods sake nintendo, make a new franchise. be like Naughty Dog: make a couple awesome games in multiple different franchises, not a bajillion
Jim are you out there?
Are you hiding from the Wii because you are scared? Scared of what it IS? What it represents? Does Nintendo haunt your dreams, Jim? Do you wake up in a cold sweat, with the creeping notion that poorly manufactured Wiimote peripherals are lurking in the dark recesses of you room?
BWOOHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!
i'm sorry, but the other systems really don't seem that different to me than last gen. the style of games available are about the same, in terms of control, as last gen. i'm not that excited about a simple graphics upgade. it's not 1992 anymore.
is it true that nintendo is making mistakes this gen? yes. that really isn't up for debate. is motion control the next movement in the industry? yes. and that's the point.
E3 is a trade show. It isn't for gamers. It never was supposed to be. It's for companies to show off their products to investors. Nintendo showed off Wii Music and Animal Crossing because they thought those were the games that would equal big sales to them and to investors (of course, both ended up disappointments at about 2 million sales compared to Wii Fit and Mario Kart's over 15 million, but that's not the point).
Nintendo has little reason to show off "Hardcore" games since they aren't their big money makers (for instance, Metroid is "Hardcore" but has rarely (if ever) made more than 2 million a title (poor by Nintendo's standards (which is why Metroid was off the map for 8 years) and "Hardcore" gamers read up far more than "Casual" gamers do, thus they'll already know those games exist (for instance, do you remember how angry gamers were than Warioland: Shake it wasn't shown off at E3 08? You know, that game that they all already knew existed, thus didn't need advertised to them).
Do I even need to point out your hypocrisy?
Jim on E3 2008- Shitty Casual titles but no Zelda or Mario (despite both already having releases (Mario's most recent being only 7 months old) on the Wii). This is bullcrap!
Jim on E3 2009: (in Sarcastic voice) OHH, new Mario (3 actually), Zelda, and Metroid, along with several third part offerings. I guess I got what I asked for. Well, it won't work, Nintendo! You really expect that to be enough!?
Nintendo isn't "ashamed" of it's core gamer audience. It simply doesn't cater exclusively to them anymore. There are many types of gamers and Nintendo seeks to satisfy them all. Wii, as in We, remember? That's their entire message and sell here, to bring everybody to game (so I don't sound like a fruit, everybody meaning many customers), and not just those that have for their entire lives (which I remind you is an incredibly small number of people compared to those that play casually (which is a small number compared to those who don't play period).
By the way, nice on calling Animal Crossing a "boring" game, like that's everybody's opinion and not just yours. Even nicer on claiming that Reggie wasn't right about Animal Crossing Wii being for "Hardcore" more than it was for "Casuals, which is true (aside from the sales reflecting this, the game had online play (which "Casuals" don't care about), Voice Chat (which "Casuals" don't care about), no intergrated Wii controls (which "Casuals" would find boring (Why can't I fish? Why do I just press a button?), and basically being little more than an update to a game that "Casuals" didn't like much in the first place).
Also, while that guy who made the Hard Drive comment was far too brash in his phrasing, he is right. The Virtual Console audience (and the ones who buy an impressive amount of games) are a fraction of a fraction of the Wii's audience. Nintendo still hasn't found a way to make Virtual Console appeal to the majority of the Wii's audience (likely because the games are essentially long-term rentals that are tied to the Wii they are downloaded for).
Seriously Jim, stop crying and accept the fact that Nintendo had done almost only good this generation. They are appealing to their old audience (aside from some internet stalwarts who are all too proud to claim how "few" good games the Wii has or how long ago they sold their Wii/How long it's been since they used it) while bringing in a huge new audience rich in their diversity.
I plead for you to get over your "Hardcore" hatred of Nintendo for "abandoning" it's older audience in favor of greener pastures.
Read this site: seanmalstrom.wordpress.com
I know you already told me that you think this guy is full of crap, but that's because you only read (pronounced red) what he wrote, you didn't read (pronounced reed) what he wrote. Get over your hate, before it's too late (and you end up like those sad sacks who still hate Nintendo for killing 80's "Mature" computer gaming with the "Simple (i.e. dumb)" NES (huh, that sounds familiar).

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