Nintendo is so fucking rich they could care less what you gamers think. Non-gamers are the bulk of the Nintendo customers. You gamers are just but a fraction. They're too busy swimming in their money vault like scrooge mcduck to actually cater to gamers.

Collectively, gamers have to be the biggest fucking drama-queens in the world. "Nintendo isn't giving me what I want, as I'm obviously the only gamer in the world who matters. Fuck them!"

I don't get all the bitching. I'm not a Nintendo apologist, I'm just the sort of person who thinks that you're better off letting your wallet do the speaking for you, rather than pissing and moaning like a bunch of children.

If you think that Nintendo sucks for not sending Reggie to your house to personally give you a hand-job, then sell your Nintendo products and take your business elsewhere. And if you don't own them, and wouldn't be likely to buy them given that they don't appeal to your particular sensibilities, then you have even less of a reason to flap your lips.

Seriously, I get that some of you are disappointed. I don't necessarily disagree with much of it. It's just the negativity that you people perpetuate is very fucking tiresome. Just because the internet affords you the ability to be cock-holes about every fucking thing, doesn't mean you have to. You can express your disappointment without blowing things out of proportion. Save the fucking theatrics.

Fucking hell.

I'm with Cyberxion.

Nintendo did even say that Mario, Legend of Zelda, and Pikmin games are in the works, so they haven't abandoned core gamers completely, just kind of forgot about us as they swam in their huge vaults of gold Scrooge McDuck-style.

That being said, they still fucked up E3, and really need to get their shit together in the PR development to stay on top. The thing about the more family-oriented-Wii-Sports-esque games is that that audience won't stay interested forever. Those soccer moms will move onto a new Oprah-sponsored fad, and when that happens, there might not be much a core fanbase left to cushion the fall.

It's like someone who drinks Red Bull for breakfast - that caffine and sugar is not going to keep you functional throughout the whole day.

They don't need to apologize. Actions speak louder than words. Prove it. Also,

That was directed at killias2. Just sort of clarifying my position on things.

@Sharpless

Oh yeah. Here's an addendum to whatever it was I said up there. I don't remember, and can't actually read. Insert after the thing I think I said about Madworld.

So while Nintendo may or may have not abandoned the hardcore crowd; something that's dependent on the subjective, ever-mutating definition of what makes a game hadcore in the first place, what does it matter? You're still gonna get your hardcore-gamer tezzies tickled, even if the fingers doing the tickling belong to a third-party.

And hell, aint it a good thing that Nintendo is laying off their long-established franchises a bit? I mean, the fact that you guys are myopic about the role of sequels in the industry where Nintendo is concerned, and that you seem to believe that whatever problem that they represent is something to attributed solely to Nintendo aside, you guys do in fact bitch about them. So it would seem like it's a good thing that they're not cranking out another Mario or Zelda sequel, wouldn't it?

Of course that would rely on you fuckers remaining consistent from one bitching-session to the next, but that's another matter entirely.

Hmm well Nintendo aren't really doing anything lately that makes me go "Ooooh nice one Big N!". Since buying my Wii at the start of last year me and my friends have concluded that the Nintendo Wii is more of a "OOOOH that console is sweet!!!!" fad whereby people who see a Wii at their friends place go all crazy over it and can't understand why their friend who bought the console isn't so happy with it, so they end up buying one for themselves only to find it isn't that great, then their friends come over and say "Ooooh wow awesome! I NEED ONE!" and the same happens over and over. I like to call it 'The Wii Effect'. Where a consumer loves it, wants it, needs it, then buys it, doesn't like it, doesn't want it, doesn't need it.



Nintendo, you need to start doing something with your library of games for the Wii. So far there have been cock all exclusives, and when they are exclusives they are shit.

Hahaha, okay, good. It wouldn't be the first time I got hit by friendly fire in these threads.

I posted elsewhere earlier about the hardcore/casual divide and how bs it is, so I won't elaborate further.

I will say that sequels bring out the most ridiculously schizophrenic responses in gamers. The same guy will make fun of the Wii's dependence on new Mario and Zelda games in one thread and then masturbate about the next Final Fantasy, Gears of War, Metal Gear Solid, or Resident Evil in the next.

I have no problems with sequels. Some of our most innovative games are sequels. Don't believe me? Super Mario Brothers is a sequel to Mario Brother which is a sequel to Donkey Kong. Super Mario 64 is a sequel to Super Mario Brother. Smash Brothers and Mario Kart are sidequels to all of these games. Donkey Kong, Super Mario Brother, and Mario 64 all revolutionzed gaming, while Smash Brothers and Mario Kart opened up racing and fighting to whole new heights. I admit, not all sequels are innovative, but there is nothing intrinsic about a video game sequel that destroys innovation.

In other forms of media, yes, sequels are usually pretty dumb. With the exception of The Dark Knight, God Father 2 and a handful of others, movie sequels are almost always worse than the original. Video games, however, are, by nature, dynamic. Because of this, most sequels are, at the least, evolutionary, while many are revolutionary.

I love sequels. It means something I like will be made fresh again. The next person I see criticizing sequels will be forced to prove they never liked a single game other than the first in a series....

"Really? You consider a generic snowboarding game, a barely different 3rd iteration of Animal Crossing, Wii Sports 2, and Rock Band for pre-schoolers different? If that's your thing then whatever, but different it is not."

Oh come on, you're just concentrating on what Nintendo talked about during their much maligned E3 show. Nobody's E3 demonstration was very awe-inspiring.. besides Xbox getting FF13.

while i don't consider most of nintendos e3 showing anything "new & exciting" it's still different from all the overly generic FPS's that are flooding the market, and while wii music is a less than stellar rock band/guitar hero knock off it's nice to not have to buy cheesy "instruments" plus the amount of instruments you can choose from is nice. wii music looks like a title that we really need to know more about and have a hands on before it gets slammed like it is.

wii music hopefully wont lead to old ladies putting videos on youtube like dumb twat 12 year olds with guitar hero.

Killas and Cyberxion win the internets. Thanks for playing today.

(Yes I'm still annoyed by Nintendo's Conference, but not so annoyed that I think they're teh d00med and I'm not selling my Wii)

I hadn't even considered getting rid of my Wii until today. I never play the bloody thing. Zelda was cool the first time, Smash Bros was...anticlimactic I guess would be the way to put it. Mario Galaxy was way cool and RE4 is great, but I don't think that's enough. I mean--I don't even touch my Wii it's just sitting collecting dust. There aren't really many games I'm looking forward to either. Lots of people I know (casual gamers I guess you could call them) bought a Wii and are content with Wii Sports. THATS NOT EVEN A FULL GAME!

Rock Band on Wii looks like garbage, the notes are bland and dull looking and it's harder to tell the hammer-ons if you didn't already know where they were. But maybe that's just because it was an HD flat screen tv, I dunno.

I don't blame Nintendo really, but they did take what could have been an awesome system (even though it had less power than the competition) and pointed it in the waaaaaay wrong direction.

"Anyone else think Robert Summa has been masturbating nonstop to this whole Nintendo debacle for the past week and a half now? "
I wouldn't think so...he said the Wii would be a guaranteed failure (watch out for the sunlight hitting your sensor bar folks!), and the sales certainly say otherwise. But honestly though, who gives a flying fuck what Summa thinks? This site is 1000% better without him.

Also, killias2 and Cyberxion, I need to look out for your posts more often. Great writeups.

I just ordered Guilty Gear Accent Core for the Wii, should be coming in soon; don't see the casual crowd all over that one.

@nopk

Normally, I loathe the phrase "epic fail", but in your case, it's highly appropriate.

And now, on to the actual comment.

Maybe I'm misreading this, or reading more into it that is actually there, but it sounds to me like Iwata's more or less saying the same thing Reggie was saying. That is, if you thought Nintendo's press conference was shit and that Nintendo was abandoning the so-called "hardcore" gamers, then it was a misunderstanding on your part. He's sorry for your misunderstanding. While Reggie said basically the same thing, he was simply more upfront with his "WTF you guys? Seriously WTF?" instead of Iwata's more subtle "I apologize for your failure to 'get it'."

Well, whether any of that's true or not or whether Nintendo actually did or did not horribly drop the ball at E3 is (obviously) open to interpretation. As for myself, did I think Nintendo's E3 thing was less than stellar? Yeah, kinda, just like most of the rest of it. Do I think Nintendo is totally abandoning the so-called "hardcore" gamer as a direct result of their E3 showing? No, of course not, because that would be retarded. Besides, I thought E3 was supposedly irrelevant in this day and age or some shit? When did that change again?

In any case, the reckless abandon with which phrases such as "real gamers" and "proper games" and the like are being flung around in this article + comments is disturbing and depressing to me and further degrading to my faith in gamers in general. 'cuz if you're not catering exclusively to the so-called "hardcore" niche, with uber graphics and tits and explosions and whatever else it is that may comprise the nebulous requirements to be a so-called "hardcore" game, then YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG, amirite?

Whatever. As far as I'm concerned, even if there really is not even one more so-called "hardcore" game released for the Wii ever, I'm still content with the games I do have and don't plan to abandon it any time soon, like it's some kind of rat-infested sinking ship. However, I still have faith that Nintendo aren't the complete fucking retards that many of you seem to want to make them out to be (and have been trying to do for a long time now), and that they'll continue to make non-shitty games that aren't a 3rd party mini-game toss off (and yet I still everyone bitching at only Nintendo and not at these 3rd parties for making these piece of crap games for the Wii). Besides, if and when I get a hankering to play so-called "hardcore" games, that is what my 360 is there for, after all. But, of course, I've long established myself as just a card-carrying Nintendo Fanboy™, so feel free to discount anything I say, as I'm sure many of you already have. *shrug* It'll be like when I ever do eventually get around to getting a PS3 for MGS4 (assuming, again, that it doesn't come to the 360 sooner or later) and they then never release another game that appeals to me besides MGS4 for the PS3, I'll still be content with having gotten it. (Well, this is assuming that I actually like MGS4, of course, but I don't doubt that I would based on prior games in the series.)

@kilias2 and Cyberxion

Please pretend that I copy/pasted pretty much everything you said above into my post here and then put a big "QFE" underneath it.

... the SNES was nice

Nihon is the superior country.