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Ninja Theory: PS3's 3D capability will be limited photo

Sony might be loading its hype cannons with all sorts of 3D promises, but at least one developer is skeptical of the PS3's ability to provide decent three-dimensional visuals. That developer is Ninja Theory, explaining that the PS3 lacks the processing power required to impress our eyes. 

"The problem is that to do 3D properly you need to render 60 frames per second, per eye. And at least a 720p resolution [per eye]," states co-founder Tameem Antoniades. "So in essence that's 1080p rendering at 120 frames per second, and the current generation can only process very rudimentary graphics at that spec.

 "I think the technology's limited now, so you won't be able to play stuff that looks like Avatar -- the movie -- in 3D. Every generation has to be at least five-to-ten times more powerful than the last, so I think we'll get there in the next generation. I think that will be totally revolutionary for games."

So, if you're expecting to feel as if you're really nestling between Solid Snake's arsecheeks or that Nathan Drake could literally slap you in the face with his scrotal scrapings, I'm afraid you're out of luck. At least, that's according to this guy. 

PS3 3D will be 'limited', say Heavenly Sword dev [CVG]








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hanowyoucantseeme's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:02
hanowyoucantseeme
And here I was thinking I'd have a solid snake in 3d ....wait that came out wrong.
Strandli's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:09
Strandli
I think this is good news. PS3 will still be offering 3D Movie capabilities (which is more interesting than games I think), but developers will not support 3D unless they're making a 3D title. When games like Uncharted and GoW3 is using PS3 to it's limits, they don't even think twice about supporting 3D when it requires so much processing power. If it hadn't used that much processing power, more developers might have been tempted to do half-assed 3D games/features.

So in short: PS3 will have 3D movie support, limited 3D game support, only from to the games that are designed for 3D or fit well with the tech. Hasn't there been a very good playable version of Wipeout HD with 3D? That is a good game for 3D, uncharted and GoW3? Think not.
Super Drybones's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:10
Super Drybones
MAYBE THE WII CAN DO IT RAWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Ramalho's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:16
Ramalho
@Super Drybones

Made my day, lol.
comradetrotskii's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:17
comradetrotskii
"I think that will be totally revolutionary for games."

How?
PhazonYoshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:18
PhazonYoshi
@twelvefiftyone; No, those are some pretty valid reasons why nothing beyond N64 graphics are happening in 3D for a while. It's not really something that can be worked around, the console simply isn't powerful enough. Hell, rendering decent resolution high-quality 3D images is something a high-end PC has trouble with, and there we're talking about something with 6-7 times the processing power of the death star.
Exquisitor's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:22
Exquisitor
Actually, it's onlyt 120 frames per second running at 720p, you could even do it at 60 fps, but it will look choppy. It's most definitely possible with the current technology. You can do it currently on PC if you have the right monitor and 3d glasses with only a minor hit to performance.
Strandli's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:22
Strandli
@comradetrotskii:
People said the same things about color televisions.
I can see you think 3D won't be a big thing, but the technology has to move forwards, because LCD/LED or even OLED TVs aren't the last step. So every little step away from the ordinary is a little revolution.

I myself just think more powerful machines will be 'revolutionary' for the gaming business, but not for the technology itself.
JQM78's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:25
JQM78
does anyone really care to see 3d games on their current-gen systems? I don't. I'm fine with what we've been seeeing with the graphics in all the latest releases, i.e.: GOW III, Uncharted II, MW2, Heavy rain, etc,etc....
Ghouls's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:26
Ghouls
Next people. Much like HD this gen, 3D will define next gen. Hey I'm not buying into yet either but it will be the naturally progression after seeing what CEs was offering.
Triple C's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:31
Triple C
If you have to wear special glasses for 3D to work...then what does that mean for people who already wear glasses? Out of luck?
gideon's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:33
gideon
@Strandli Stig Asmussen said they barely pushed over half of the PS3's ability to make God of War III. http://ugdb.com/article/view/interview-god-of-war-iii-ps3/
Naktu's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:36
Naktu
@Triple C

There will likely be sets just like the IMAX ones that ship with production models. Big, goggle esque deals that you can wear glasses underneath. The ones that look like glasses that we see in all the marketing are probably more expensive, but they do demos with them because they look less ridiculous and make better PR images than a big ass pair of goggles.
VoodooTerror's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:37
VoodooTerror
3d hurts my eyes, id hate for everything to go that route
Budogenkai's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:39
Budogenkai
I think i'll just wait for the 3DS.
E Prinny's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:43
E Prinny
I'm in the same boat as Ryan Wrex Allen 3D is murder on my eyes and it never really impressed me. Unless its like the fucking Holodeck from Star Trek this 3D fad can GTFO.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:43
Takeshi
"... the PS3 lacks the processing power required to impress our eyes."

No it doesn't.
Courtney Roberts's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:43
Courtney Roberts
they are overblowing the problem here. a lot of games still run at sub hd levels as companies dont optimise and at 30 fps. whereas games like uncharted run at 60. the human eye can only notice a proper difference upto 12 frames a second, and we push it up to 24/30 so that its definitely unnoticable. take a 60 fps game and twin the graphics, set them slightly apart and have them 30 frames for each eye, and voila, rudimentary 3d. graphics wont need to suffer, frame rates will. but the games will be still have large unough frame rates to be good to play. the guys at ninja theory obviously love their 60fps, but that aint happening.
superjay779's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:44
superjay779
Sony lie and overhype the ps3 no that never happens.
Courtney Roberts's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:45
Courtney Roberts
that didnt make much sense. i apologise. tldr, 3d at 720p & 60fps is accomplishable. 3d at 1080p &120fps is superfluous but accomplishable next gen
Fernando Rocker's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:50
Fernando Rocker
Courtney

You need 120HZ (that's why you need 60fps for each eye) to achieve 3D.
Renbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:51
Renbo
Killzone for Virtual Boy confirmed?
j3tbl4ck's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:56
j3tbl4ck
they are just mad heavenly sword flopped...HARD!
comradetrotskii's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 19:58
comradetrotskii
@Strandii

It's not that I don't think 3D will be a big thing, the opposite in fact and I am fully willing to embrace it. Indeed, it is the next natural step towards the ultimate goal of simulation/video games - virtual reality. I'm just really unsure how this step is going to be 'revolutionary' to how we play games. You mention 'little revolution[s]', I would just call that progress. When a developer tells me that something is going to be revolutionary they better fucking mean it, yet I have seen no real evidence - or even any decent speculation - as to how 3D displays will be a revolution in games.
Velt's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 20:04
Velt
does anyone wants 3d games?
Samulus Wolfgang Maximus's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 20:08
Samulus Wolfgang Maximus
I don't want 3D anything :(
comradetrotskii's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 20:11
comradetrotskii
Note: I desperately want to proved wrong, if anyone can link me to anything to convince me please do.

Another not: I use the term virtual reality as one of convenience and because I have yet to decide on/see anyone else come up with a better term for what I am trying to describe (if there is in fact one).
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 20:14
hpv
While this is almost certainly true the people who don't see the benefit of stereoscopic 3D in gaming need to go try it out on a decent setup. The effect is quite striking. Maybe it won't change gameplay all that much, but neither do graphics most of the time and no one is arguing against graphics in games. Except maybe the people who are making those sweet audio games for the blind.
D-503's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 20:15
D-503
Not really diggin' this whole "3D" thing.
TheDirtyHobo's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 20:20
TheDirtyHobo
I don't understand this article. Not every game this gen runs entirely and natively in 1080p. Several are still 720p or lower. And there are tons of games that only run at 30fps to begin with, so wouldn't that mean it's 30fps per eye, so a total of 60fps? And beyond that, why are they singling out the PS3, when the 360/Wii would have just as much, if not more trouble hitting those specs? And then there's the fact that who fucking cares? 3D isn't anywhere near the 'standard' right now, nor is it a big deal with gaming

This article hurts my head more than wearing those shitty glasses.
Cameron Schott's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 20:21
Cameron Schott
I F**KING HATE 3D

Also, is it just me or does Ninja Theory REALLY hate the PS3?
whateverthismeanstoyou's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 20:25
whateverthismeanstoyou
well, sony says PS3 is 3D ready. can sony be lying to us? it does everything except PS2 BC and now Linux.
KwikPwn's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 20:34
KwikPwn
The PS3 struggles to hit 60 FPS rendering just one image, and 99% of PS3 games are upscaled to 1080p.
Mechman's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 20:36
Mechman
3D is doable, but not on the current consoles. As he says, there are severe technical issues. There have been 3D monitors for the PC, and they're quite cool, but they also usually run on systems with dual video cards, built for it. The PS3 was simply built before this technology was forecast, and it simply isn't built to take it. No consoles are, for now.
Stephen Beirne's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 20:47
Stephen Beirne
"So, if you're expecting to feel as if you're really nestling between Solid Snake's arsecheeks or that Nathan Drake could literally slap you in the face with his scrotal scrapings, I'm afraid you're out of luck. "

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Zohan's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 20:49
Zohan
Now that...*puts on shades* is an interesting theory

YEAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
EmperorHess's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 21:05
EmperorHess
My name is Jim Sterling and I dont care much for the PS3
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 21:13
Dv8thwonder
You would think with all that HD in the PS3 Sony would see how pointless 3D is from a mass market consumer perspective.
Freequebec86's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 21:40
Freequebec86
They already show off GT 5 3D and Wipeout HD 3D.

I really think that God of war will be 3D capable, because too much scene was like ( made of 3D ). Like the intro, titan fight and flight moment.

Their some rumours of Killzone 3 will be 3D capable, too ( seen here or kotaku ).

But i would NOT buy a tv for this, but it look cool. GT 5 3D would be soooooooooo nice. 2000$ is not nice.
Interlink's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 21:40
Interlink
If developers are saying this current gen of games is proving to be costly, I wonder how much production costs goes up when making a game with a 3D feature.
all great games have a fart button's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 21:52
all great games have a fart button
It's funny. Sony puts out Blu-ray way back when DVD was still the king of sales by a huge margin with everyone saying they were idiots to do it because of the profit loss. It didn't make sense to people talking "mass market", but those who had it loved Blu-ray movies, no matter how many (or few) of them there were.
So Sony had something early that benefitted the user, but not themselves (at least in the short term as they bled money for it).

You look at their arcade offerings compared to Xbox. Things like Flower, Flow and PixelJunk stuff. Some truly weird things, but attempting to be more than another Double Dragon.
Oh, they have those too. Point is they have both. I can't imagine Flower was a huge seller. Yet it's there for people into something a bit different.
Make sense from a pure money making perspective? Not really. If they were purely going for the cash, Flower is the opposite of that goal.

And then there's the PSPgo, which it feels like, looking at threads at Destructoid anyway, most don't get it. Why it's even out and Sony must be completely stupid.
Here we have a handheld capable of doing much more than just games which makes them less profit than if they stripped the hardware and features down to ONLY playing games.
And Go is a deluxe model for people who have early adopted into the digital only world that will be more mainstream in about five to ten years.
But your old PSP works fine. The Go is just the Elite version for the digitally embraced.
So again, Go isn't exactly the mainstream Nintendo DS, but the consumer who can afford it, it's a quality product. (Although I agree it's priced too high.)

3D gaming, all developers seem to think it'll be huge and a regular thing in the next five to ten years. Here comes Sony yet again to lead an early charge first giving you an option to play a game with it. Or without.
Killzone 2 comes in both versions, for example. It's not like getting an avatar, where Sony has thrown in something at you that you have to take whether you want to or not.
Even their new motion thing won't take over games, it'll be an optional feature or games specifically for it. They aren't stopping making the tradional games.
And yet it's all moans and groans for both 3D and the wand, despite the fact nearly no one in the threads has played or used either one.

I'm not saying Sony are saints who never do wrong. But I am saying that here you have a corporation, moreso than Microsoft or Nintendo, that actually adds things of high quality to gamers even when it's risky profit-wise.
Yes, they want your money, just like the other two. But they continue to show more of an actual support and appreciation to gamers and games themselves than the other two (Microsoft ever and Nintendo in the Wii-years).
I guess I'm just in a certain mood. I'm all for attacking when corporations do rotten things. But in this case, Sony does things that either benefit the gamer with more choices that they can just as easily ignore and they get put down for it.
Really, isn't the corporations bothering and trying to give you more something you want to encourage? Or should we all just sit in place with what we have?

Attack Sony for the many wrongs things they do every so often. But implementing features and possibly (we won't know till the end of the year) improving on them and simply getting put down for it?
You are gamers, right? Because it seems like it'd be better for all of us who are on the playing end of the industry if all the corporations would keep trying to improve and evolve, even if they stumble here and there.
That should be ENCOURAGED, not condemned.
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 21:59
Retrofraction
The guy know some stuff, but he is underestamating sony.

since the PS3 is the only system to do true 1080P

sony had 3D telivisions two years ago that didn't need the special shutter glases and just used the glasses that theaters used.
Telephis's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 22:00
Telephis
man thats a long comment
I think the ps3 3d will certainly be watered-down somehow, but next-gen will be glasses-less (lol) HD 3d, and it will be glorious.
Corduroy Turtle's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 22:08
Corduroy Turtle
Fart button: Write a blog. This section is for comments.

Hence the "ADD COMMENT" button.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 22:10
Dv8thwonder
@1251 Let me dumb down my next statement so that your limited intelligence can grasp the concept.

FFFFFFFUUUUUUU
runtheplacered's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 22:17
runtheplacered
@ all great games have a fart button,

Well said. And I tend to agree with you. I've often wondered how real actual gamers can be so destructive, verbally, about their favorite hobby. Every generation of gamers so far (as few as there's been) are always afraid of change. I guess they forget they still have their old games that they can play anytime they want.

@ Corduroy Turtle,

At least this guy actually added a decent comment. What have you ever contributed other then hate, insults, or sarcasm?
Corduroy Turtle's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 22:46
Corduroy Turtle
@runtheplacered: I suggested that he should write a blog! How is that negative? He clearly has a lot to say, and that seems like the best place to say it. Perhaps he would get an article posted on the main page.

I love how 1251 is all supportive though, since what he said was in defense of Sony. That may be the nicest thing I've ever seen him post.
Interlink's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 23:01
Interlink
@Dv8thwonder
You would think with all that HD in the PS3 Sony would see how pointless 3D is from a mass market consumer perspective.

This is a really good point, I think. I'm certainly intrigued by the idea of 3D, but I wonder if the mass market is even close to being there yet.

I know someone has to do it first. But maybe now's not quite the time. Maybe the "next" gen?
Pencoin's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 23:17
Pencoin
While I do have faith in Sony and there mad-cap antics, (Just look at DVD and Blu-Ray) I do with people would let the technology peak before releasing it to the masses.
The crappy Wiimote and this crappy 3D 'tech' will leave a horrible imprint in all of our minds, so when the time comes, when this stuff actually works at reasonible prices. Most won't take.
TheCheese33's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2010 23:19
TheCheese33
Of course the anti-Sony story is by Jim Sterling. DURRR I'M JIM STERLING I CAN ONLY PLAY GAMES ON XBOX BECAUSE I'M EDGY AND COOL AND APPRECIATE WEED JOKES IN MW2.
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