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Ninja Theory: Old Dante isn't cool anymore photo

The announcement of DmC was completely overshadowed by the revelation that Dante had been given a complete makeover, complete with darker hair, darker clothes, and a twink face. Many people called the look "emo" because they don't know what that word means, while some of us quite liked it. Now Ninja Theory has responded.

"The essence of Devil May Cry is all about 'cool,'" says creative director Tameem Antoniades. "It's about Dante being cool and making you feel cool when you're playing it, and so the combat and the style system and everything is integral to that. But, you know, what was cool 12 years ago -- I think that was when the first game came out -- isn't cool anymore.

"If Dante, dressed as he was, walked into any bar outside of Tokyo, he'd get laughed out. What Devil May Cry did when it launched was it brought everything that was great about action cinema like the fashion, music -- it was like a cultural melting pot -- and I feel like now, for Devil May Cry to have that same impact, it needs to draw on new things. New music, new ways of cinematography, new fashion."

This is the first time where I have to voice disagreement with Ninja Theory. Dante, in my mind, was NEVER cool -- and that was the point! His overwrought attempts to look edgy and stylish ended up making the old Dante look incredibly camp and silly, and I loved him for it. Just watch Dante's cutscenes in DMC4 -- they're friggin' ridiculous in an awesome way. I still think the new Dante looks fine and I am super pumped for this game, but I don't think Dante has ever been "cool" in a traditional sense.

Also, let's face it ... the new Dante would get laughed out of ANY bar if he strolled in. 

Ninja Theory on Devil May Cry: "What Was Cool 12 Years Ago Isn't Cool Anymore" [1UP]








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TheWretchedCrow's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:08
TheWretchedCrow
They must do a "Infamous2" with this.
they can't get away with destroying Dante.
and face it... The original Dante is bad-ass and this one looks more like the emo/fashion-core kids sitting in stairs screaming about how much their life sucks.
we don't want a Dante like that.
we want one with Final Fantasy looks and with a Duke Nukem attitude.
NiNFAN1990's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:10
NiNFAN1990
whereas I somewhat agree with his sentiments, he really needs to learn a little more about the history of the series he's taking on.

The PS2 wasn't even out 12 years ago...is this guy for real?
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:10
Aurain
They're fucking stupid.
llort het's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:11
llort het
It's just not cool until he becomes more mainstream. He should sparkle in the sunlight, and wear eyeliner, listen to system of a down, and stuff.
Davidfoundation's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:12
Davidfoundation
"If Dante, dressed as he was, walked into any bar outside of Tokyo, he'd get laughed out.

Until he pulls his guns and sword out and starts flipping around and kicking ass.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:13
Shin Oni
wow...great way to help the hatred already going against you guys Ninja Theory.
DAVYDOCK's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:15
DAVYDOCK
I bet it'll up being a genius move. Look at the way people reacted to Heath Ledger being cast as the joker.

They know what they are doing people.









......i think.
Kaoslyon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:15
Kaoslyon
So the skinny jeans, meth addict look is cool now?

Um, ok.

I'm already on the fence with this game. The more Ninja Theory talks like this, the less likely I am to buy it. Just STFU and don't talk until the product is done.
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:16
Shadowiii
I'm pretty sure that the outcry shows that people still thought old Dante was "cool."
My problem with the new Dante is he is generic. He looks like Alex Mercer (Prototype) or Cole (Infamous). He looks like everybody else. The uniqueness is gone.
BalloonFighter's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:16
BalloonFighter
As someone who doesn't give a single shit about this game or series, I will say the new model looks like a cross between Matt Damon and Hilary Swank. It looks like an actor trying to be bad ass.
DtoidBadMrK's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:16
DtoidBadMrK
This is an origin story. Chances are they're going to explain how Dante got his white hair. I say we all just relax, take a step back, play the game, and THEN we can shit all over it.

But he doesn't quite look as gay as anything Twilight has put out.
Devilot's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:17
Devilot
His neck looks a bit stretched doesnt it?
infinity's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:17
infinity
this just comes down to japanese and american perceptions of "cool". i don't know if dante was inspired by what's considered cool in the west, but that often results in a character that is cool to japanese gamers, but stereotypical and over-the-top to american gamers. take terry bogard or the president in metal wolf chaos, for instance.

i personally don't like dante's new look, but i'm still looking forward to the game.
Draxxlith's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:18
Draxxlith
"If Dante, dressed as he was, walked into any bar outside of Tokyo, he'd get laughed out."

At least they acknowledge that nothing is too weird for Japan.
LK4O4's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:19
LK4O4
Eh, they're kind of right. We're all making jokes about him looking like Justin Bieber or whatnot, but that's what the kids are into these days. It's sad to see, but the market for teenage hipsters is probably much bigger than the market for campy smart-asses.

I don't really like it, but I understand why they did it.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:19
Black Nexus
He looks like a crack head, how did that register as cool to them?
Confederacy's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:22
Confederacy
@llort het - Clearly you haven't listened to System of a Down at all.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:24
Bakewell
I know it's wrong of me to feel this way but the more people rage about Dantes new look the more interested in the game I become.

I think people have invested too much in the style of the character and not the core mechanics of the gameplay.

Speaking on a personal level, I don't play games to assume to role of character x or y. Sure, playing games is escapism but not to the level where the very design of the character ruins my enjoyment.

I think it's a real shame that people are so stuck in their ways that they resist change on the level we've seen on this issue.
omaraty009's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:28
omaraty009
NEW DANTE IS AWESOME!

Both Would Be Laughed at if the went into a bar.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:28
Occams electric toothbrush
Gotta agree with Jim, Dante never, ever looked cool. He looked like a gay porn star who happen to be able to kick a jukebox in half. For me though, that was half the fun of playing as Dante.

New Dante is fine and Tameem Antoniades may sound kinda hokey but the guy sorta has to talk up his game, ya know? I'd say silly shit like that too if I was working on a game. At the end of the day, I think this new Devil may Cry game will be fun and that's all that actually matters.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:28
Bakewell
Also. My partner likes twilight and has all the movies. Sometimes, when I'm feeling nice, I let her watch them and I can say that regardless of my attempts to not absorb a single bit of the movies I can say with some certainty that the new Dante does not look like something out of twilight.

Haters gonna resist change whilst hating....I guess.
D Chap's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:29
D Chap
Chances are most people are fans of DMC in the first place because of Dante. Just sayin.

That said I still think this new one could be good.
Brandaravon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:30
Brandaravon
Yeah, I've always seen the Devil May Cry games as being kind of tongue-in-cheek about their brand of 'cool'.

At first it appears that they're trying too hard to be 'cool' and it becomes silly, but then they take it so far over-the-top with such enthusiasm that . . . as you slide across the floor shooting electric bats out of your demonic scythe guitar . . . it wraps around and becomes cool again.

At least that's been my view of the games thus far, and it's been my main concern about starting fresh.

Still, if they actually play their efforts to be 'cool' in a clever and self-aware way rather than just trying to incarnate passing trends and edgy pop-culture in character form, it could be amusing.
NoJ87's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:35
NoJ87
1. This new Dante isn't "Cool", he looks whiny.
2. 12 years ago? These people are continuing the series and don't know when the first game released?
3. "'It's about Dante being cool and making you feel cool when you're playing it, and so the combat and the style system and everything is integral to that. But, you know, what was cool 12 years ago -- I think that was when the first game came out -- isn't cool anymore.'" ---Yes. Yes it is. That is why the 3 following games followed almost the exact same style, with the same main character. And it is also why Bayonetta did as well as it did--new character, but stylish system that brought me back to the original DMC.
Handy's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:36
Handy
His giraffe neck in the header is freaking me out.

But yeah, I think we know why Tameem Antoniades finds the new Dante cool...



Because it’s him!
getreal's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:36
getreal
any attempt at bringing anything new to existing franchises is becoming a sin these days. lets just play the same characters and games for the next 20 years and see where that gets the industry, sheeshkebab. and if people are this emotionally tied into a videogame character they really need to get out more.
danthemagnum's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:39
danthemagnum
I can't help but feel like this new Dante is just a really big douche bag. The look makes me want to punch him.
deaddays's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:40
deaddays
Love the new look. Like a street kid turned badass. I love that he's not uber-buff either, he's just a skinny punk with skills. I hated Dante's white hair. Like this better thereisaidit.
Jnr Johnson's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:40
Jnr Johnson
@getreal I agree with you completely :-}
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:41
Jon B
making you feel cool when you're playing it,

If I'm playing as that thing, then I will feel anything but cool.

I'd feel cooler piloting a giant flying phallus around London.
Clown Baby's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:42
Clown Baby
THANK YOU on the Emo shout-out. Kids these days (I'm talking about EVERY ONE OF YOU who is calling him "Emo") don't know shit.

Also, how can somebody "Look whiny"? You guys are fucking stupid.
New Dante looks awesome.
Static Jak's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:43
Static Jak
New Dante doesn't look...healthy to say the least. Whatever he's on, it's fucking him up pretty bad. That giraffe neck alone looks pretty serious.

And take a shower! Looks like there's a layer of grime on him.
foxhound421's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:44
foxhound421
i'm with Jim on this one. Dante never looked cool, guys. he was always an over-the-top spoof of a typical Japanese "X-Treme!" action character circa late 90's. at least the new look makes him relevant to the current times.

also, has anyone considered that this is a prequel game featuring a younger, more angst-ridden Dante and tells the story of how he grew to become the suave, white-haired badass we've seen in previous games. if it makes sense chronologically, then what's the problem? i'm a gigantic MGS fan, but i didn't rage when i saw Old Snake in MGS4. considering the story, it made perfect sense for him to be old.

then again, i play games for the game itself. they could make Sonic green for all i care, or have Mario shave his mustache and if it still played well i'd like it. if what i saw in that TGS trailer is any indication of the gameplay, this will be the first DMC game to pique my interest since… the first one.
Dr-Peace's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:44
Dr-Peace
What's cool to some people is shit to others, personally trends have never been my thing.

But the Dante we know and love is COOL.

Sure he is campy and annoying as hell, but he is also badass, witty, indestructable, cheesy, careless, stylish, likes pizza and strawberry sundaes as opposed to smoking, a bleeding heart and so on.

Dante was cool that those reasons, and this was amplified by him being so unique.

Ninja Theory have some serious nerve in trying to replace him with this dirty looking fool; look at him all generic, gay, smoking, 'rebellious' and messed up.

People already have a problem, and Ninja Theory mouthing off won't make it better.
Lucifer Hills's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:47
Lucifer Hills
Really let's face it we all only give a damn about his hair not being white. No red jacket? Eh. Skinny? Eh. But WTF black hair?! Change the clothes and he could be a young version of so many game characters now. Young Nathan Drake, young Starkiller, young Cole young guy from Prototype. The looks gets old.
Dr-Peace's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:47
Dr-Peace
Oh and... this is slightly better than what Metroid fans like me just went through.

Our heritage franchises will not be stepped on, stand together lads!
jawshoeuh's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:49
jawshoeuh
I could really give two shits what Dante looks like if the game is good. That said, I do find it odd that they're using his old model in MvC3.

And... I'm on board for an origin story and all that, I don't care what color his hair is or how long it is, but shouldn't his face still look a little bit more like the Dante we know? Just for continuity's sake? Can't you make Dante young and edgy without making him look like a totally different person? It's weird that MvC3 and DMC5 are both on the way and feature two totally different Dante models.
kainsec's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:49
kainsec
Bah new makeover is fine. I love DMC, its easily one of my favorite series except the sequel that shall not be named, but a reboot works the story was a joke. While this is not the direction of look I would go for in the end it comes down to me not giving a damn what the main character looks like and rather caring about gameplay, story, and depth of combat.
zombiekiller13's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:51
zombiekiller13
He looks strung out on heroin. I mean, I'm all for making game characters less hopped up on steroids...but this just takes it to an extreme.
xenon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:51
xenon
You don't update characters. If you think "they're" not cool anymore" or otherwise unlikeable or obsolete today, you just abandon them.

Plus, new Dante sucks hard.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:52
Sexualchocolate
DmC is one of those games I appreciate, but I don't enjoy. i could watch someone else play it and have a great time, but personally, i just don't love it.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:54
Bakewell
I love how the only whiny, emo rebellious thing about this whole affair are the nay sayers and presumers.

You guys are fucking hilarious.
CarbonByGravity's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:55
CarbonByGravity
Dante was never cool in my opinion, but I feel that this new iteration has some potential to change that. Sure Dante looks emoish now, however he always has looked a materosexual. Let's just see what Ninja Theory comes up with before passing to much judgement.
covah's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:55
covah
Heroin addicts are?
Rzeznor's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:55
Rzeznor
"Many people called the look "emo" because they don't know what that word means" Haha well put
CarbonByGravity's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 09:56
CarbonByGravity
Dante was never cool in my opinion, but I feel that this new iteration has some potential to change that. Sure Dante looks emoish now, however he has always looked like a materosexual. Let's just see what Ninja Theory comes up with before passing to much judgement.
xenon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 10:00
xenon
You don't update characters. If you think "they're not cool anymore" or otherwise unlikeable or obsolete today, you just abandon them.

Plus, new Dante sucks hard.
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 10:01
amtalx
Damn near all video game characters would get laughed out of bars. They are gross exaggerations of the truth. That said, the new Dante is noticeably less cool than the old one.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 10:02
Xzyliac
@Handy
OH SHIT!
Hai Khyron!'s Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2010 10:04
Hai Khyron!
old Dante had an iconic look. i didn't play any of the DMC games, but even i knew who Dante was. Ninja Theory i think changed up too much. if they wanted change, mebbe they should have looked at how another Capcom property handled it.

Street Fighter's Ryu and Ken has gone through many visual redesigns, but their basic design elements had stayed eg. their respective coloured gi, Ken's hair, Ryu's bandanna. Dante has similar basic design elements like his white hair and red coat. deviate too much from those basic elements and you lose some of that identity.
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