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Nicalis: Nintendo has turned things around with the eShop photo

I was recently blessed with the opportunity to spend an hour chatting with Tyrone Rodriguez, President of Nicalis (Cave Story+, VVVVVV 3DS). We even recorded the chat, for Dtoid's new live stream talk show and podcast Sup Holmes. During the first episode, I accidentally cut Tyrone off right before he was going to say something really interesting. I am a dick. Luckily, in life you sometimes get do overs. This is one of those times. 

Here's what Tyrone has to say about developing for the 3DS eShop in comparison to Nintendo's other forays into online distribution:

The eShop, I feel, has really turned things around for Nintendo on the digital side because the storefront is heavily feature-driven. Any publisher can still produce whatever it wants, similar to iOS in both regards. However, given the feature-oriented nature, the eShop is quasi-curated without being some lame PR line like, 'consciously developing a curated portfolio.' That's a steaming pile of PR right there, but that's another story altogether.

If we look back at WiiWare, that system was broken because it was trying to be fair and feature nothing. WRONG. In the WiiWare system all games were created equal, but life's not fair and all games are NOT made equal. Some suck hard, particularly on WiiWare. However, that doesn't matter much in a system like the WiiWare shop because customers aren’t being directed anywhere. The top 20 is the easiest filter and being on the top 20 doesn’t mean a game is good/great, it just means they sell. Frogger, really?

I'm pretty certain that the number of total downloads (across all games etc) on most platforms typically hovers around the same rough figure.  So, say you have 200 total customers to a given service per day, in the case of WiiWare, they're getting lost in an ocean of blah. Other services, like eShop, have systems in place to control what people get to see and, to me, this is ideal.

Since the eShop is heavily feature-driven,  this not only helps promote titles, it forces publishers and developers to make better games, hopefully. You want to get featured? You better have something good to show, curated or not. Will this change in the future? I have no idea as I'm not Mr. Iwata, but I do know that compared to how we did on WiiWare and DSiWare, eShop has a much better outlook.








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EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 07:10
EternalDeathSlayer
It's telling of Nintendo's online progress that I just recently downloaded my first demo on a Nintendo console but I've been downloading demos from their competitors for about 6 or 7 years now. Remember, Nintendo has been making video games longer than both Sony and Microsoft. To see them fall so far behind in online quality and features has been incredibly disappointing, although I can't say I didn't see it coming.

Hopefully they're starting to learn from their competitors and their own past mistakes. I'd like to see more downloadable offerings from them.
Folkenhellfang's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 07:18
Folkenhellfang
To quote an interesting person, "I think it's pretty great..." that Nintendo has really pulled the 3DS together. In the last few months Nintendo has shown that they can develop some really incredible small scale games with Pushmo and Sakura Samurai. These games are the epitome of a highly polished product and are the kind of games I have spent the last few years waiting on from the Playsttion Minis releases.

I still think the store is a little bit clunky and esoteric, but I'll be dammed if I don't get excited on Thursdays to see what is new. I had been wondering how my use of the 3DS would fair once I get my Vita, but in these recent months Nintendo's little guy has staked its claim on my gaming mindshare, my heart, and a spot in my daily to go gear.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 07:36
Chris Carter
I think we're all excited for the eShop right now because of all these cool games (personally I've bought like 6 in the last two months), but I don't want to get ahead of myself.

I said the same thing about WiiWare when it came out. For all we know, Nintendo may get bored of the eShop and re-focus on other things when the Wii-U releases. With Nintendo, we never know if they're going to take a step back or completely abandon something -- that's the way they've been for a long, long time.
nightv's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 07:59
nightv
E shop titles alone I have got my value out of the system, not to mention that GameStop just did a sale on new 3ds games in my area, and I got a grip load of games for $20 or less. I so I'm super happy for now, working on harvest moon 3D right now.
EarthWindNFire's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 08:27
EarthWindNFire
We're trying to learn from the mistakes of WiiWare but nobody lists the biggest problem of all with that crappy system, the ~40MB limit. You don't have to be a genius to figure out that this was THE biggest problem. Go through XBLA or PSN and see how many games you would have if everything had to fit in such a tiny space. It would suck, right?
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 09:01
Retrofraction
BTW what game is in the image header? It looks fun.

Really I have been happy with the eshop until the last two years when there has been no VC releases on the wii.

I feel like the wii U will open more possibilities. However, I still have not gotten confirmation that my downloadable wii games can be transferred to the wii U...
Fandango's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 09:14
Fandango
@Retrofaction - Unfortunately it's not a game, it's what you see when you go to the www.nicalis.com homepage.
PEICanada7's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 09:15
PEICanada7
"We're trying to learn from the mistakes of WiiWare but nobody lists the biggest problem of all with that crappy system, the ~40MB limit."

But they have already learned from that. Games like the GameLoft golf game on the eShop, goes up to 250MB right now. So they obviously don't have a 40MB limit on the 3DS, like they had on the Wii, because the 3DS has way more storage space, than the Wii did. So problem already solved!
MasterBalls's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 09:16
MasterBalls
Plenty of excellent eShop titles, Sakurai Samurai, VVVVV, Mutant Mudds... now release them in the fucking EU eShop.
Bluejuan85's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 09:32
Bluejuan85
Well its doing great but I'll wait till Isaac somehow manages to come to the 3DS shop if it does then that means Nintendo did very good.
jecht35's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 10:08
jecht35
love the eshop and them games are keeping me occupied. But holmes in your web show were did you get that totoro hat because I want it like now.:P
islan's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 10:26
islan
Are you kidding me? I admit to only being on the eShop only twice, but at least on WiiWare I could actually find out what games were on the damn service! If I want to find out what games are on the eShop that aren't featured upfront, I have to get on a computer. Absolutely atrocious design from a costumer's point of view, in my opinion.
BrainWasherAttendent's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 11:54
BrainWasherAttendent
eShop is great. Nothing wrong with it. I guess if you dont have the sophistication to adapt your brain from your iOS browsing to another device THAT IS NOT APPLE, then i guess you'll get confused and start crying about it.

For the rest of us, we've successfullly downloaded some lovely games in the last few weeks with no problems.

Also, lets not forget the neat little present you get everytime you download something. A neat little detail that other devices dont have.
themizarkshow's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 12:11
themizarkshow
It's still a pain to navigate when trying to find anything that isn't featured anymore.
Varia Suit's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 12:16
Varia Suit
@BrainWasherAttendent

Nintendo fan apologetics.

I hate that they pretend it's a gift. The audacity they have to pretend that something I purchased is a gift to me is ridiculous.
BoomingEchoes's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 13:00
BoomingEchoes
@EternalDeathSlayer

Equate it to old people. Old people don't take to newer things, thinking they can keep on, keeping on.

Sony and Microsoft are not only companies that are seated in other technologies, but they're both companies that had their video game divisions grow up, so to speak, right a long side the internet. Meanwhile, Nintendo's over on its porch shaking its cane at them.

People seem to forget that while they were first among the big three in the industry, and the longest game maker, that the company is well over a hundred years old and started out simply making playing cards. These leaps they make, to them, aren't small, even if we all seem to think they're the intuitive leaps they should be making to keep up. One of Nintendo's greatest weaknesses is their age.

@Chris Carter

You know, when I got my 3DS at launch I couldn't wait for the eShop simply because we should have had it at launch. Now, every week, I'm glued to either D-toid, my email, or the shop itself waiting on the next release. I never thought going into the 3DS, after not caring one bit about the DSi shop, I'd buy all that much off it, but here I am wishing for more games to buy, because the ones I have taken the leap to buy (I can't remember how many between those and the free games given to us) have been so great and well executed.

That may not say much for Nintendo themselves, but more so about the quality of games that could be made for a system that people would have rather kicked to the curb for the better part of its release year.

Your definitely spot on about their support though. They really need to continue support and not follow their same patterns of forgetting their things exist.
Scissors's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 13:08
Scissors
I really like the eShop. Where other stores are more of a file cabinet the eShop is more like a bulletin board. I can see why some dislike that as it makes things cluttered, but I think with a little more tweaking it's perfect.

I never really went on Wiiware, but every week I check out the eShop.

Let's be honest a majority of what's on DSiWare is crap. The way the eShop is set up is that anything that's remotely good is almost constantly featured and shovel-ware sinks to the bottom. It feels like the people running the eShop actually play and care about the games on the service.

Nintendo Show 3D is also surprisingly good. They're always highlighting the best stuff on the system and even obscure stuff like catrap. Sure the show still smells like PR, but it seems sincere, and it's promoting good games.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 13:14
Kyousuke Nanbu
Fuck Nicalis, VVVVVVV on the 3DS shop is completely broken.
tyrone's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 14:03
tyrone
Kyousuke, how is it completely broken?
cody curry's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 14:11
cody curry
@tyrone: because it has 7 V's instead of 6.... I guess.
scikoolaid's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 22:17
scikoolaid
The only issue I have with the eshop honestly, is the 1 row of icons view, I'd be happy if I could just have 2 rows of icons to look throw quicker. Or if they are willing to be able to adjust like the home menu in how may rows show at once.
MetricInchworm's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/13/2012 23:13
MetricInchworm
Kyosuke has a point. One of the game modes you unlock, flip mode I think, doesn't work. That's right. One of the main features of the game, one that should add to the replay value, makes the game have a black screen.
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