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"On the platform side, it's sort of ominous that the world seems to be moving away from open platforms." - I wouldn't be so quick to say this. Windows still dominates the PC market (even if Macs are doing better), and Droid is the future of smartphones. I love my iPhone, but I really don't think they'll maintain "automatic mass market smartphone" status for more than a couple more generations.
here's hoping it doesn't happen. I've had nothing but misery dealing with apple products and I'd rather not do it again. I'll buy the system the games are on, always, but please god don't let it be apple.
.... So an apple console would be locked down just like a Sony, Microsoft or nintendo console, who knew?
I completely disagree with Apple's business strategy and product design philosophy, especially their fixation with closed systems.
I really agree that convergence of electronics is inevitable. Eventually, home automation servers will be ubiquitous, and those will be looked toward for all needs, including gaming.
I really agree that convergence of electronics is inevitable. Eventually, home automation servers will be ubiquitous, and those will be looked toward for all needs, including gaming.
While I love the thought of more competition in the home console business, Apple's approach to electronics is exactly the kind of thing I don't like about the console business at large. Adding another closed platform to the closed platforms already in play seems like it would only add to the cost of developing games.
I still dream of a day when you can play any game on any console, I don't understand why we cling to closed platforms. Still really curious to see what Apple would do in the home gaming space, though.
I still dream of a day when you can play any game on any console, I don't understand why we cling to closed platforms. Still really curious to see what Apple would do in the home gaming space, though.
No thanks. Apple's approach would make Microsoft look wide open by comparison. I avoid Apple products when I can, because they are often way overpriced, and I don't want any more Apple software on my PC after I struggled with the virus known as iTunes.
I'll believe it when I see it. Apple has never shown much interest in games, despite the success of the iOS platform for that purpose.
I'll believe it when I see it. Apple has never shown much interest in games, despite the success of the iOS platform for that purpose.
We cling to closed programs because they are safe, easy to manage, and keep all funds going to the creator. Until companies are ready to give those things up, consoles will be closed for a while.
I'm very excited to see what they bring to the table. Not saying it will be great, just excited to see it. Too bad they already used "iHome".
Apple has to be working on an update to their Apple TV. I imagine it will be a device that can access all major streaming services, functions as a simple OS, and can therefor access and utilize the app store. That will be the beginning of the merger between mobile gaming and console gaming.
Apple products have a tendency to break down the second the warranty expires. Any apple console will have a new generation every few years. I for one cannot afford to buy a new console that often. Fuck Apple.
Apple is the king of locking down and controlling stuff. Imagine MS Live level lockdown on EVERYTHING.
It's a terrible thought and I'm glad he mentioned it because when I read the article this morning I was kind of WTFing until the end of the article because Apple would be awful to deal with.
No offense, but Apple is that one huge company that I either want to see really change their policies or just die off because their policies are as bad as Ubisoft's always on internet DRM and online passes.
It's a terrible thought and I'm glad he mentioned it because when I read the article this morning I was kind of WTFing until the end of the article because Apple would be awful to deal with.
No offense, but Apple is that one huge company that I either want to see really change their policies or just die off because their policies are as bad as Ubisoft's always on internet DRM and online passes.
And everyone knows apple tv is supposed to have itunes and app store integration coming within its next iteration. Not a big surprise.
Chris Grant @Joystiq tweeted today about GoogleTV opening up to the apps market and was curious when Apple would follow suit with their AppleTV platform.
I'm a little conflicted on the idea. It would be awesome to have access to the thousands of games in the iTunes store available on my TV and to be able to use something like my iPod or iPad to interact with them. It opens up a lot of new gameplay experiences, and we're already seeing some of these ideas in place (Real Racing 2 will soon be able to do 4 player split screen through the AppleTV). However it is alarming that iTunes is such a closed system and under strict restrictions on app approval.
If Apple were to release a powerful device at a low cost to put gameplay in the living room with a central content hub I'd be really interested, but only if they make it more enticing and easier for developers to provide content without restrictions.
I'm a little conflicted on the idea. It would be awesome to have access to the thousands of games in the iTunes store available on my TV and to be able to use something like my iPod or iPad to interact with them. It opens up a lot of new gameplay experiences, and we're already seeing some of these ideas in place (Real Racing 2 will soon be able to do 4 player split screen through the AppleTV). However it is alarming that iTunes is such a closed system and under strict restrictions on app approval.
If Apple were to release a powerful device at a low cost to put gameplay in the living room with a central content hub I'd be really interested, but only if they make it more enticing and easier for developers to provide content without restrictions.
@pokota
I have to admit I'm pretty much in full agreement with you. Apple products are expensive for the sake of being expensive. I'm really in no need of a status symbol that proclaims to the world I overpaid for my MP3 player!
I have to admit I'm pretty much in full agreement with you. Apple products are expensive for the sake of being expensive. I'm really in no need of a status symbol that proclaims to the world I overpaid for my MP3 player!
Bleh. Let them come. Let them clash with the established titans and see who rises and who falls. If they cam create a better experience that can live along side existing platforms or displace another, so be it. It's not like Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo are loyal to me as the customer, not with the frequency in which they seek to nickel and dime me. Let Apple come. Let them shatter the old order if they can, and be turned away if they can't. It's not like Apple TV set the world on fire.
soo jim.... well i don't think they will go without a fight. Some kind of clones will rise and fall like everything that confront apple.Soo sad no consoles in future,no fanboy fights,non siding,Soo sad.
If the adoption of Android is anything to go by, the open platform approach is proving to be the system that - like Windows - comes back to bite Apple in the ass.
We have Apple's OS on one thing, Android quickly spreading everywhere else. Apple's OS on things trendy to have, Android on things priced more practically. Apple computers are irrationally expensive, yet the PC market makes them affordable.
And Kindle Fire? Just watch it start kicking the iPad2 around. Apple thought no one would be able to offer a tablet for lower than they did and someone decided they might be able to take the loss if they also dropped a couple frivolous features. I'll certainly be getting one.
We have Apple's OS on one thing, Android quickly spreading everywhere else. Apple's OS on things trendy to have, Android on things priced more practically. Apple computers are irrationally expensive, yet the PC market makes them affordable.
And Kindle Fire? Just watch it start kicking the iPad2 around. Apple thought no one would be able to offer a tablet for lower than they did and someone decided they might be able to take the loss if they also dropped a couple frivolous features. I'll certainly be getting one.
"They build a shiny sparkling thing that attracts users and then they control people's access to those things."
Apple will keep winning these battles if the people participating really think this is all Apple is doing. You'd think after this long they'd stop completely misunderestimating* Apple's successes.
If the industry is worried about closed platforms, then make an open console already.
* intentional
Apple will keep winning these battles if the people participating really think this is all Apple is doing. You'd think after this long they'd stop completely misunderestimating* Apple's successes.
If the industry is worried about closed platforms, then make an open console already.
* intentional
Apple's success in gaming so far has been due to simply their being popular, which attracts 3rd parties. It's nothing they themselves have actually done that makes IOS a better gaming platform than say android, they're just reaping the benefits of others' work, which I find rather amusing.
@Phoebus
"Apple's success in gaming so far has been due to simply their being popular"..."It's nothing they themselves have actually done"..."hey're just reaping the benefits of others' work"
Does not compute.
If their success is derived from popularity then whatever they did to become popular was what made them successful.
"Apple's success in gaming so far has been due to simply their being popular"..."It's nothing they themselves have actually done"..."hey're just reaping the benefits of others' work"
Does not compute.
If their success is derived from popularity then whatever they did to become popular was what made them successful.
I highly doubt it will be a gaming platform, at least games will never be their main focus in any kind of product.
Right, they became popular basically by being trendy, not by offering real advantages and features over the competition, was the implication.
Wait, let me try again to express that idea.
Apple products are popular, despite being overpriced and more closed off than
competition. The reason for this popularity is irrelevant to this situation.
Popularity means they have a large user base. A large user base means they are attractive to 3rd partied. Thus, 3rd parties make games for them.
In effect, the third parties add a lot of value to the system that Apple themselves do not. Does this make sense?
I actually have an iPhone (that I got free from someone used); I just thought it was an interesting situation.
Apple products are popular, despite being overpriced and more closed off than
competition. The reason for this popularity is irrelevant to this situation.
Popularity means they have a large user base. A large user base means they are attractive to 3rd partied. Thus, 3rd parties make games for them.
In effect, the third parties add a lot of value to the system that Apple themselves do not. Does this make sense?
I actually have an iPhone (that I got free from someone used); I just thought it was an interesting situation.
@Phoebus
Pretty much everything about the iPod and iPhone blows that statement to hell. They made portable media devices what they are and everyone has building building off of their innovations ever since. Android wouldn't exist if Apple didn't lead the way. I'm not a big Apple fan or anything, but you got to give them credit. They're a big deal for a reason.
Pretty much everything about the iPod and iPhone blows that statement to hell. They made portable media devices what they are and everyone has building building off of their innovations ever since. Android wouldn't exist if Apple didn't lead the way. I'm not a big Apple fan or anything, but you got to give them credit. They're a big deal for a reason.
@Phoebus
Yes, that does make sense. But still, the 3rd parties would not be there were it not for the work Apple put into making the platform popular in the first place. They did the work to attract those 3rd parties, so they aren't simply "reaping the benefits of others' work." Just saying.
Yes, that does make sense. But still, the 3rd parties would not be there were it not for the work Apple put into making the platform popular in the first place. They did the work to attract those 3rd parties, so they aren't simply "reaping the benefits of others' work." Just saying.
I've noticed that Jim seems to be using the Pink Floyd marching hammers picture quite a lot these days
I just don't see it.
I mean, I have no doubt that Angry Birds and Farmville type games will wind up being played on televisions, and it will be a huge draw for some people, but how is Apple going to get gamers to abandon Halo, or Mario, or Uncharted? They've never shown interest in creating games before, and they'll probably leave it all up to third-party developers.
If you play a lot of mobile games, or even the smaller games on PSN and XBLA, then an Apple device would likely be something you'd want, but I cannot believe people would give up on games like Call of Duty or Gears of War, the next generations of which will likely require a lot more horsepower than Apple is willing to put in something moderately affordable.
I think gaming on an "Apple console" would attract a lot of people, especially existing Apple fans, but I don't see how they can replicate what we can get from Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft. In fact, it's my guess that the next generation of consoles from Sony and Microsoft will have so many multimedia features that they'll replace set-top boxes in many households.
I mean, I have no doubt that Angry Birds and Farmville type games will wind up being played on televisions, and it will be a huge draw for some people, but how is Apple going to get gamers to abandon Halo, or Mario, or Uncharted? They've never shown interest in creating games before, and they'll probably leave it all up to third-party developers.
If you play a lot of mobile games, or even the smaller games on PSN and XBLA, then an Apple device would likely be something you'd want, but I cannot believe people would give up on games like Call of Duty or Gears of War, the next generations of which will likely require a lot more horsepower than Apple is willing to put in something moderately affordable.
I think gaming on an "Apple console" would attract a lot of people, especially existing Apple fans, but I don't see how they can replicate what we can get from Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft. In fact, it's my guess that the next generation of consoles from Sony and Microsoft will have so many multimedia features that they'll replace set-top boxes in many households.
@Nephilym
Much like my brother discussed recently as the world overvalues Steve Jobs, he didn't really do that much for technology.
There was MP3 players already moving in the direction that the iPod was. Apple got there first. Good for them. They were really better. They just marketed it perfectly which is what Jobs was - a brilliant businessman.
Apple produces expensive products that sell on their name. It's a prestige thing, not a value thing. They haven't really done anything that wasn't going to happen eventually. They just timed the markets right and while that is impressive in it's own right, it has nothing to do with them actually being this "amazing" company that revolutionizes stuff.
Much like my brother discussed recently as the world overvalues Steve Jobs, he didn't really do that much for technology.
There was MP3 players already moving in the direction that the iPod was. Apple got there first. Good for them. They were really better. They just marketed it perfectly which is what Jobs was - a brilliant businessman.
Apple produces expensive products that sell on their name. It's a prestige thing, not a value thing. They haven't really done anything that wasn't going to happen eventually. They just timed the markets right and while that is impressive in it's own right, it has nothing to do with them actually being this "amazing" company that revolutionizes stuff.
Apple? Let me tell you how to use it and remind you that a new one will be out in 6 months.
No thanks Apple as a gamer I will not be buying anything like this, ever.
No thanks Apple as a gamer I will not be buying anything like this, ever.
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple released a home entertainment product, but I fully expect it to put accessibility first. They will likely copy some of the Wii motion control features, but use significantly more advanced internals.
More proof Newell is a big fat idiot. I will throw all my games and consoles in the garbage before I buy an Apple product. Freaking cultist overpriced crap.
"They build a shiny sparkling thing that attracts users and then they control people's access to those things." Funny coming from Newlle; He's basically describing Steam.
If and when this happens, most people will be cursing at the $1000+ price tag. Seriously, fuck the pricing on Apple products.
Not Surprised, in fact i've been waiting for this ever since apple released the AppleTV. You can tell when apple is trying to ONLY learn something from the market when it releases something without it's full weight behind it. From the start, you could tell AppleTV wasn't really going to go anywhere. the product, the announcement, the hoopla...was all meh. But you could damn well be sure that AppleTV was a foot in the door for something big to come.
You know, the more I read what Newell said, the more I think that I let the headline of this article influence me to think in the wrong direction. He's not proclaiming that Apple will take over, but that an Apple device will merge services across platforms, and force everyone else to do the same.
"Newell said there are four platforms, including the Internet, mobile, desktop and the living room.
The living room is the domain of the consoles, and it's ability to exist independently from the other platforms is gone, Newell said."
He's right, but I think it has little to do with Apple, as Microsoft and Sony are already working on significant cross-platform accessibility. The next consoles are going to be multi-media stations rather than gaming stations, but that would have happened with or without Apple.
"Newell said there are four platforms, including the Internet, mobile, desktop and the living room.
The living room is the domain of the consoles, and it's ability to exist independently from the other platforms is gone, Newell said."
He's right, but I think it has little to do with Apple, as Microsoft and Sony are already working on significant cross-platform accessibility. The next consoles are going to be multi-media stations rather than gaming stations, but that would have happened with or without Apple.
Apple's totalitarian style of business and their "Let US take care of it" is a HUGE turnoff from me purchasing their products. Complete dominance from them would be quite scary, but thankfully we have Androids and Kindles to level out the playing field, and to provide an alternative.
Part of me wonders, though... If Apple made a console and kills off the Big 3, would Google or somebody else come forth with an open source Android console to counter it?
Part of me wonders, though... If Apple made a console and kills off the Big 3, would Google or somebody else come forth with an open source Android console to counter it?
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