games  anime  |  toys
Destructoid is gaming news, community, videos, and sometimes love. Take the tour or jump in with Facebook:

 


New York State Senate passes facepalm-worthy bill mandating videogame regulation photo

I tell you, I love living in New York, but sometimes, the government here does things that make me scratch my head and want to scream. Generally, it’s a pretty progressive state -- but the reactionaries that serve in the state’s governing bodies, the State Assembly and the State Senate, can infuriate people with their recalcitrant ways. One such anti-videogames lobbyist is Republican New York State Senator Andrew Lanza.

Last year, Lanza introduced a bill in the Senate that had the intent of cracking down on videogame violence. It aimed to do that by establishing an Advisory Council on Interactive Media and Youth Violence, as well as a Parent-Teacher Anti-Violence Awareness Program, and by requiring all games sold in New York (at retail or over the Internet) to carry an ESRB rating label. For more on that bill, check out David Houghton’s detailed analysis of its pros and cons. The bill was passed astonishingly quickly -- in four days -- but it never became law due to political battles between then-Governor Eliot Spitzer and Republican Senators.

I’ll give Lanza some credit here; he seems to be undaunted by failure, as he sponsored a nearly identical bill in the State Senate this year. The bill was first proposed in the State Assembly by Democratic Assemblyman Joseph Lenton of Brooklyn. This bill has the added requirement that all videogame consoles have regulatory controls. It passed unanimously on June 23rd in the Assembly, and it was up for a vote in the State Senate yesterday. Thanks to Lanza’s defense of the legislation, it passed 61-1.

Now, the bill will go directly to Governor David Paterson. If he signs it, the bill will become law on September 1, 2010 -- though the games industry will surely file a federal lawsuit on the grounds that the bill is unconstitutional. Hit the jump for my own analysis of this unfortunate situation.

[Via GamePolitics -- thanks, power-glove!]

[Update: The article originally discussed unrated games and movies, which are exempt from the bill. Changes have been made to reflect this. --SS]

Unfortunately, the bill is already on its way to Governor Paterson. Before it was passed in the State Senate, the Video Game Voters Network (an organization sponsored by the Entertainment Software Association, the parent organization of the ESRB) exhorted New York residents to send letters to their state legislators, telling the politicians to vote against the bill. I guess no one was listening, since there was only one dissenting vote.

Schoolhouse Rock!

My main problems with this bill are: it’s essentially pointless and redundant, and it unfairly singles out the videogame industry. Let’s dissect it:

Advisory Council on Interactive Media and Youth Violence

The bill provides for the creation of a 16-member government council to do the following: study the potential effects of violent videogames, examine the ESRB ratings system and its effectiveness, and potentially establish a Parent-Teacher Violence Awareness Program to “identify and appropriately assist students who may have a propensity toward violence.”

Why is such a council necessary? After all, a Federal Trade Commission (FTC) study found that 80% of the time, retailers didn’t sell M-rated games to kids under the age of 17. That’s much better than the rate at which movie theaters were able to prevent under-17s from seeing R-rated movies without an of-age companion (65%). And as for stores selling DVDs of R-rated films, forget it: they did it just under half the time (53% prevention). So obviously, the rating system is doing its job -- and as such, if you’re going to target the self-regulating private organization, why not go after the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) for its film rating system as well?

Required parental controls on videogame consoles

All of the “big three” consoles of this generation already have parental controls. In fact, there’s a great USA Today article from December 2006 that explains how to set them up on the PlayStation 3, PlayStation Portable, Xbox 360, and Nintendo Wii (ironically enough, the DS doesn’t have any such system, except for its web browser). The bill actually only covers non-portable videogame consoles (“such terms shall not include a personal computer, nor shall they include a handheld device in which such entire device, including the viewing screen, is designed to be held in one’s hand”), so the PSP and DS are exempt anyway.

Xbox 360 Console Controls menu

And no offense, but if you have kids and you either (A) can’t figure out the controls, or (B) can’t be bothered to do so, well, you need to do a better job of being a parent. It’s not Sony’s, Microsoft’s, or Nintendo’s fault that soccer moms claim to have better things to do than making sure that their children don’t have access to violent videogames. Thus, it also shouldn’t be something that the New York State legislature has to reinforce by law.

Required display of rating for videogames and films

The final section of the bill is rather curious -- it applies to videogames as well as movies, and it enacts requirements for the display of ratings:

No person, partnership or corporation shall sell or rent at retail or attempt to sell or rent at retail a VIDEO GAME OR film unless {the} A VIDEO GAME rating {of} OR the RATING OF THE motion picture from which {it} THE FILM was copied is clearly displayed on the outside of the case, jacket or other cover of the VIDEO GAME OR film.

Yet again, we have a redundant part of the bill. According to the ESRB’s Web site, games with ESRB ratings are required to display ratings information on game packaging and in advertising. If a publisher fails to adequately satisfy these requirements, the ESRB can take action that includes: “the re-labeling of product inventory and unsold product at retail or, potentially, a product recall.” Once again, this has already been taken care of by the self-regulatory ESRB, so the New York State government doesn’t need to meddle in the proceedings.

ESRB ratings madness!

In its article on last year’s Lanza-introduced bill, GamePolitics noted that such “content-based restrictions” have meant death in the “First Amendment scrap heap” for pretty much every other bill like this. Regardless, the passage of this bill in the State Assembly and Senate has been quite expedient, so lamentably, it looks as if Gov. Paterson will soon sign it into law. We may be in for a long, protracted legal battle, my friends -- let’s hope my fellow New Yorkers come to their senses.


Continue: More Utterly pathetic stories





prev next

45 comments | showing # 1 to 45

king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 00:32
king3vbo
IM JUST A BILL
SITTIN HERE ON CAPITOL HILL

What a bunch of fuckwads
Linkoman's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 00:36
Linkoman
god i fucking hate living in new york. run by a bunch of old people with stocks up their asses
Linkoman's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 00:37
Linkoman
i ment sticks btw not stocks. although i guess technicly stocks do work too.
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 00:45
Necros
The sucky thing isn't that this is getting passed, because it will inevitably be shot down on constitutional rights. No, the worst part is that you and I, Samit, are going to have to pay for this in the form of taxes going towards the ESRB's court bills once they win. So in effect, this law has just signed away some of my money for a pointless reason. Fuck them.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 00:46
DaedHead8
Ain't that a bitch. One more reason to move to Canada.
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 00:47
Mxyzptlk
Hooray, another pointless video game legislation bill that will be shot down after wasting time and money in the courts, at the expense of the taxpayers. Thanks, assholes!
nintendoll's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 00:47
nintendoll
The problem with the world is people want to blame everyone but themselves for their problems. Parents want to blame video game companies for the fact that children are playing M-Rated games when in fact it is their own damn fault. Parents these days are either too afraid or too lazy to raise their own kids anymore.

What should be done instead, is create a website for parents SPECIFICALLY designed to teach them about the rating system, parental locks, etc. This should be a government run site, and should be included in the instruction manuals of video games. Time to wake up and get involved in your kid's life.
mistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 00:55
mistic
that's why we have the phrase "Only in America"
MPHtails's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 01:04
MPHtails
So now it's going to be illegal to buy anything NES and older (and some portions of the SNES and Genesis libraries) there (since they didin't have the ESRB raiting at the time)?

Remember: When Duck Hunt is outlawed, only outlaws will have Duck Hunt.
Redzie's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 01:07
Redzie
I always thought New York had worse problems than video games.
Itchy's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 01:17
Itchy
MPHtails: I'd imagine they would rate those.

Outlaws always hunt ducks.
Quisling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 01:37
Quisling
Not that it makes it any better, but any games that haven't been given a rating are exempt, as are films that are "reproductions of motion pictures" (whatever the hell that means).

From the Law: "This section shall not apply to [...]any film which is a reproduction of a motion picture, concert, musical production or other video event, OR ANY VIDEO GAME, which has not been given a rating, nor shall it apply to any motion picture OR VIDEO GAME which has been altered subsequent to receiving a rating.

I suppose that exempts "unrated" or "Director's Cuts" of movies and games. Also, moar developers should take a stand against the ESRB, perhaps begin their own ratings board, maybe with shared ownership by developers? Hey, it could happen...
gideon's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 01:49
gideon
I just wanted to clarify that the New York State Assembly is Democratic Majority - not Republican. I'm not flag-waving for any party, but in the interest of fairness, I think it should be noted that this is clearly NOT a partisan issue. BOTH sides of the aisle have members for and against video game legislation.
Conan-san's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 01:59
Conan-san
Clearly, what should happen is that the BBFC should come in on thier Dinosaurs and take over the ratings industry in the US and force ratings down everyone's throats to thier own tunes.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 02:13
Samit Sarkar
@Quisling: Silly me. How could I have been so ignorant of the very next section of the bill? I’ve updated the article to fix the problems; thanks for giving me the heads-up!
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 02:13
Arttemis
Is this not why we need the ESA to lobby against this unconstitutional shit? Regardless of politician's political affiliations, they will pander to whichever lobbyists have the biggest wallets.


Granted, as long as games are rated by the ESRB, this won't affect us...
but I'd still rather not have my rights as a customer put in potential jeopardy for no reason.
FooLiz's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 02:13
FooLiz
Age recommendations and restrictions for sale or hire of games in Australia
G: There are no legal restrictions on the sale or hire of computer games classified G.
PG: There are no legal restrictions on the sale or hire of computer games classified PG. It should be remembered however, that computer games classified PG are not recommended for people under 15 without guidance from a parent or guardian.
M: There are no legal restrictions on the sale or hire of computer games classified M. It should be remembered however, that computer games classified M are not recommended for people under 15 years as these contain content that is recommended for a mature audience.
MA15+: Computer games classified MA15+ can only be sold or hired to people aged 15 years or older, unless they are accompanied by their parent or guardian, or in Queensland by an adult.
There is no R 18+ or X18+ classification category for computer games.
Lithium's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 02:22
Lithium
This is why I love Canada, over here we dont blame videogames for everything.
MPHtails's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 02:36
MPHtails
@Quisling

Well, that's good to know.

FREEDOM TO THOSE WHO HUNT DUCKS!
3r0t1c n3rd's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 05:00
3r0t1c n3rd
Ha, have a taste of the bullshit german politicans pull of all the time!
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 05:14
Takeshi
I want every online multi-player game to have a biometrical lock. Just to keep the wankers out of my games.
boatorious's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 05:31
boatorious
Cracking down on videogames is "progressive", isn't it? There's an issue where consumers are "confused", so the state has to step in and mandate regulations. That's one of the core platforms of progressivism -- unless you are saying that, under progressivism, every industry but video games should be regulated.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 05:40
Samit Sarkar
@boatorious: I didn’t mean “progressive” as in “progressivism”; I meant it in terms of having a more open mind (in this case, being accepting of nascent media). You know, just like you’d say that California is a more progressive state for allowing gay marriage. Video games today are what rock music was a generation ago, and what comic books were two generations ago.

Plus, regulation as defined by progressivism usually pertained to large corporations (especially monopolies), or the government structure itself (i.e., reducing sprawling bureaucracy and eliminating corruption).
Fiat Mediocrity's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 06:01
Fiat Mediocrity
"...by requiring all games sold in New York (at retail or over the Internet) to carry an ESRB label."

Wh...what?
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 06:54
Cowboy TTop
I hope the powers that be see sense. What's odd is that all what they are wasting money on is already taken care of. Anyone with sense would research this properly and see this. Unfortunately, we don't have anyone as vocal as JT on our side, apart from the ESA.

Hopefully they'll stand up and smack this bill down in time.
Kaspar's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 06:55
Kaspar
The...fuck...what?

Sucks for you guys. Well, maybe not, but it sucks to live anywhere near morons like that.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 06:56
Samit Sarkar
@Fiat Mediocrity: Sorry, perhaps I should’ve been more clear. The sentence has been changed to read “...an ESRB rating label.”
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 07:03
BluDesign
Man, if they do labeling in a different fashion, I'd actually like some proof of why they felt they know better than me on why the game is rated a certain way.

If GTA gets an M, I want a peer review of their rating decision. I feel it's only fair, even if I'm not actually given any power to combat the rating, at least I can see the components of the decision that lead to the rating that it carries.
Projectexodus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 07:07
Projectexodus
I'm so glad I'm turning 18 in a couple of months.
It was always my biggest fear that they would start with videogame violence debates here in Norway again, like they did back in early 90's, when we had this nasty bitch as our minister of culture.
luoxiang22's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 07:09
luoxiang22
Re: Nintendoll
You can see an example of what you're talking about for movies here: http://www.pbbfc.co.uk/

Re: Samit and everyone else
This is a huge over-reaction. The FTC study was a single study, this guy is proposing a council, which as you pretty much say yourself, will come to the same conclusions, or else be so clearly off the wall that nobody will take it seriously.

The ESRB is a privately set thing. This seems like a publicly established safeguard to me, in case it fell apart (numerous departures from the ESA, anyone?).

There is no 'crackdown' here. Freaking out to a pointless bit of legislation like this makes the entire video game playing community look like a pack of immature jerks. Forget about movies, or using the 'but Jack did it too' argument, M games are not for kids and until video game fans get serious about that we will be beaten, repeatedly, with the same stick.
power-glove's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 07:41
power-glove
Good job with the story, Samit.

Luoxaing, there is one thing you are forgetting is that this is paid for by me and my family's tax dollars. I don't want my tax dollars being wasted on something as pointless as this. Do we need to waste money on trying to force home consoles to have parental controls despite the fact that all of the current home have those controls already in place? This is a waste of public money that could have been better spent in other ways.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 08:01
Samit Sarkar
@luoxiang22: The ESRB is a self-regulated body that rates video games. Nothing it does is enforced by law; it’s all voluntary. Hence, the comparison to the MPAA and its film rating system is an easy and valid one. For example, there’s no law against selling a ticket for an R-rated movie to a minor; it’s just that private organizations — i.e., movie theaters — enforce the policy themselves.

The same thing applies to video game ratings. I’ve heard of GameStop firing employees who have sold M-rated games to kids under 17. The system works as-is, and the ESRB doesn’t need a 16-member group of New York legislators to vet its decisions or decide if it’s doing its job (because, again, it obviously is).

Again, there’s no reason to single out the video game industry for M-rated games unless you’re going to go after the film industry for R-rated movies. That’s the fundamental issue at hand. In addition, as power-glove pointed out, this is an immense waste of state resources (e.g., legislators’ time and taxpayer dollars) that could surely be better spent attending to other matters.
Murumasa123's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 08:16
Murumasa123
Er as far as i know this is already in place in the UK and nothing really changes. Honestly stop worrying since most of what it says is already covered anyway.
You and your funny little constitution.
loki d20's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 08:30
loki d20
Honestly stop worrying since most of what it says is already covered anyway.

I think most are worrying that this is what their tax dollars are being spent on rather than important issues that will affect change for the good rather than make it a law to do what has been done for more than a decade already.
SWE3tMadness's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 08:41
SWE3tMadness
Legislatures pass lots of crap resolutions all the time. The only thing that bothers me is that they're wasting their time on a nonissue like this instead of actually doing something productive.

Just watch, no one's going to enforce it, and a month later everything will just be back to normal.
Sam Spectre's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 09:30
Sam Spectre
So wait... now there has to be two ESRB ratings on a box?

WTF New York? This shit doesn't make sense to me. Isn't most of this already covered?
zeroword's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 10:14
zeroword
This is a pork bill. I'll bet there is some other law attached to it that has nothing to do with video games. It also provides Lanza with a nice bullet point as a pro family candidate.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 12:06
Sharpless
I really don't care. Honestly. This doesn't hinder me and my game playing so, given the number of more-important battles that we have to fight on behalf of gaming, I think this is a perfectly acceptable loss. I don't support all of it, but I don't think it's anything to get upset about.
Spartacus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 12:45
Spartacus
Waste of everything.

Honestly, I think games should use the same rating scale as movies, or revamp both systems. Neither is perfect. Really, an ignorant parent might buy an M-rated game for their little kid, but I've never heard of anyone who would let their 8 year old see an R rated movie without finding out about it, at least.
Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 18:38
Volomon
I wouldn't worry about it or even give it thought, the FORCED use of ESRB would make it unconstitutional with that alone. You can't substitute or endorse a third party system and attempt to make it a governmental one, let ALONE FORCE it upon people.
Fiat Mediocrity's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 19:44
Fiat Mediocrity
@Samit

My comment still holds true. I haven't been in N'ork since 2001, so have they stopped putting that label in the corner since then?
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 19:48
Samit Sarkar
@Fiat Mediocrity: No, of course not...which is, again, why this bill is redundant.
Fiat Mediocrity's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2008 19:52
Fiat Mediocrity
@Samit

Redundant? Nay! We do this for the children. For the children.
The children the children the children the children. It's for the children. We must protect the children. We must do it all for the children. We must claim every misguided battle we take up is for the children because we hate pedophiles even though we talk about children more than they do. Children.

P.S. Children.
NSNick's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2008 03:52
NSNick
Do you have a link to that FTC study about the videogame retailers, movie theaters, and movie retailers? Because I'd love to have that in case I ever wanted to cite it.
protomark's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/23/2008 15:24
protomark
Holy shit, dude.

A game named after a felony with pictures of gangsters with shady scowls and chicks in bikinis and subtitles like vice city and parents don't already have enough information on what NOT to buy for their eight year old? nevermind the clear rating symbol in the same place on every box and a whole mess of information about the game's content on the back of the box!

smack! smack! smack!

nevermind the fact that parents might actually be exercising good parenting and making decisions about what their kid gets to do based on their age, maturity level, and disposition, instead of allowing the government to do it for them based on gross generalizations. The video game censorship discussion always ends at 'the parents,' but the assumption is always that the parenting is bad and the parenting needs to shape up so we don't need laws like this. You know, maybe the parenting is happening and that's why the regulations don't appear to be working. Maybe, just maybe, the legislators are the most ignorant people involved here? Oh, wait. Haven't we already determined that?

See what a pot of coffee does for you in the afternoon!
prev next

Comment with Facebook





Click connect and comment instantly!

Comment with Dtoid





New? SIGN UP - it takes 5 seconds

Comments policy

Destructoid is an open discussion community. You don't need to "audition" to post a comment - just speak your mind. We respect differing opinions on the site, so have at it. Be smart, funny, insightful, clueless, or cute -- but back it up with substance. Keep your cool, keep it fun. We only ask that you act respectfully and above all: don't be a troll and ruin it for everyone else. Don't bring down gamers or we'll, you know, gently shoot you in the face and stuff you into a flaming mailbox. Each comment is your opportuntity to make this community awesomer. Is that even a word?

Avoiding the banhammer only requires common sense: spamming, trolling, racism, NSFW stuff, and other forms of sucking will not be tolerated. If anyone is griefing please report abuse. Be good. Don't suck!

 
New on Destructoid.TV play all videos

Loading
Loading Destructoid Videos


    Win this!
    Dive in! meetup+play for a chance to win a PC

    Dtoid Twitter    Got news?   tips@destructoid.com

    Reviews & Previews
    Assassin's Creed 2 review
    Crossfire Remote Pistol review
    Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles review
    Left 4 Dead 2 review
    Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Reflex review
    more reviews
    Driver
    Avatar
    GT Racing Motor Academy
    Bad Company 2 beta dishes out meaningful experiences
    Legend of Zelda Spirit Tracks
    more previews


    - The Dtoid Army is 51025 strong -

    Showing Cblogs with 3+ faps   show all

    Call for entries: do the wrong thing

    New to Dtoid? Read the survival guide




     Originals
    Chad Concelmo: The tragic history of the videogame turkey





















    More Destructoid Originals




     Popular now more






















    Team Destructoid   tips@destructoid.com
    Nick Chester
    Editor-in-Chief
    Niero
    Founder, publisher
    Jim Sterling
    Reviews Editor
    Hamza Aziz
    Community Manager
    Dale North
    News Editor
    Rey Gutierrez
    Video editor & director
    Anthony Burch
    Features Editor
    Colette Bennett
    Tom Fronczak Brad Nicholson
    Ashley Davis Ben Perlee
    Conrad
    Zimmerman
    Chad Concelmo
    Jonathan Holmes Jonathan Ross
    Brad Rice Jordan Devore
    Will Maddock Matthew Razak
    Dyson Joseph Leray
    Topher Cantler Samit Sarkar
         
      Dexter
    Adam Dork
    Daniel Lingen
    Hollie Bennett
    Joe Burling
    Mikey
    Stella Wong

    Josh Tolentino




     

     
      get involved

    register or login
    post a blog
    post a forum
    enter a contest
    contribute a news tip
    suggest a feature
    be a guest editor
    support

    new member's guide
    login assistance
    tech support
    report abuse
    email our editors
    read our dev blog
    nuclear crisis?
    keep in touch

    RSS feed
    Twitter
    Facebook
    Myspace
    Flickr
    Game nights
    Meetup+play online
    seriously

    about Destructoid
    advertising
    terms of use
    privacy policy
    jobs at MM
    buy our crap
    our network

    Tomopop
    Japanator
    Despingation?




    Destructoid is an independently-run publication forged by our love of video games and the gaming community's need of accountable enthusiast press
    living the dream since March 16, 2006