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That makes sense, i trade in my 360 games at the drop of a hat but have never traded in a wii game. Hmm wonder why
I play a lot of video games, but I don't feel the need to keep every game I purchase. After I'm done playing a game I ask myself "would I ever want to play this again?" If the answer is "yes" I keep it, otherwise I put it up on Goozex.
Now, this doesn't always hold true. For example, when I finished Persona 4 last month I asked myself the question. The answer was "probably not." But it was such a great game I wanted to keep it for that reason alone.
Now, this doesn't always hold true. For example, when I finished Persona 4 last month I asked myself the question. The answer was "probably not." But it was such a great game I wanted to keep it for that reason alone.
is it because you value games more than cold hard cash? (I really need to have my keyboard stipped from me while drinking)
I'd love to see some demographics on which consoles are played by what "social class" of people. In my personal experience, I've seen the most Wiis in the homes of the rich families, the most PS3s in the homes of middle class bachelors, and the most 360 in the apartments of young adults who are usually broke.
That right there could explain why "hardcore" games are traded in so often. If poor people love hardcore games, and poor people gotta eat, then those games are going to have to go at some point.
That right there could explain why "hardcore" games are traded in so often. If poor people love hardcore games, and poor people gotta eat, then those games are going to have to go at some point.
@ the golden avatar
yup, i do exactly the same. if i think ill play it again, its a keeper. if its likely to gather dust and not get played. then i trade or sell it.
due to this, i still have a nice collection of older games. the collection isn't huge. but, they all get played every so often.
yup, i do exactly the same. if i think ill play it again, its a keeper. if its likely to gather dust and not get played. then i trade or sell it.
due to this, i still have a nice collection of older games. the collection isn't huge. but, they all get played every so often.
@Jonathon,
I really believe that it has more to do with how many copies a game sells. If you figure that that 30% of people sell back their games regardless of what it is, you're always going to end up with more copies of the massively popular ones. Which deflates its trade-in value.
Which, of course, doesn't explain Smash Brothers. But that's certainly a factor.
I really believe that it has more to do with how many copies a game sells. If you figure that that 30% of people sell back their games regardless of what it is, you're always going to end up with more copies of the massively popular ones. Which deflates its trade-in value.
Which, of course, doesn't explain Smash Brothers. But that's certainly a factor.
Its Jonathan Holmes desperately defending the Wii some more, unfortunately all this proves is that casual gamers are stupid and by used games for rediculous prices.
I've only traded in games once, long ago, when I was young and stupid. Though I can't exactly trust their guide, as it has games from wrong systems listed. It also goes by the metric of current prices paid online, which is good and bad. If a game isn't being sold online, then there is little basis to set up a realistic price for it. Though if the game is listed, that is the average of what you can expect to pay.
Though I should feel rich, since many of the games I have rank highly, such as Persona 2 (which I have two copies), the true hard core gamer, in my opinion, would hold onto their games.
The art of collecting is about rarity and demand. So it is no surprise that older games, especially games will less printings such as obscure RPGs, would have a higher rank.
GTA4 had millions of copies produced, people played it and now the demand it low. High supply, low demand. While I'm not sure how many copies of L4D were made, it is still new enough to have a high demand, regardless of supply.
Though I should feel rich, since many of the games I have rank highly, such as Persona 2 (which I have two copies), the true hard core gamer, in my opinion, would hold onto their games.
The art of collecting is about rarity and demand. So it is no surprise that older games, especially games will less printings such as obscure RPGs, would have a higher rank.
GTA4 had millions of copies produced, people played it and now the demand it low. High supply, low demand. While I'm not sure how many copies of L4D were made, it is still new enough to have a high demand, regardless of supply.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't know if I agree with their police work. I don't see where it takes into account supply-and-demand or the relative age of the game. For instance, take GTA4. It sold a crapload, so there are more copies of it potentially available after-market than a game that sold fewer copies. Also, it was released before, say, Fallout 3, so a longer time frame for people to decide they don't need it in their collection anymore. Finally, what was the aftermarket price say, 30 or 90 days after release - graphs over time would be illuminating and would provide a better yardstick for the "value" to the consumer than taking a point-in-time measurement.
Why is trading in games always stupid?
Simply go on Ebay/Amazon, see what the asking price is for you used game; call/visit Gamestop, and see what they will give you. Sure the best value is getting trade in credit, but just use that to get another game, that's most likely cheaper used than online anyways. Just do research before you trade in something. Would you rather pay Ebay to do something you can do down the street?
Also how can you compare a brand new game like Left 4 Dead to a game that came out almost a year ago - Smash Brothers. Cool article but doesn't prove anything. Also Wii Sports is essentially a $250 dollar game, considering you can't get it anywhere else. It can't be on any list because it's a package. Do you think Soccer Moms and Grandmas even know how to use Ebay/Amazon to sell their products? I don't even know if a lot of the demographic knows that you can trade-in games.
Simply go on Ebay/Amazon, see what the asking price is for you used game; call/visit Gamestop, and see what they will give you. Sure the best value is getting trade in credit, but just use that to get another game, that's most likely cheaper used than online anyways. Just do research before you trade in something. Would you rather pay Ebay to do something you can do down the street?
Also how can you compare a brand new game like Left 4 Dead to a game that came out almost a year ago - Smash Brothers. Cool article but doesn't prove anything. Also Wii Sports is essentially a $250 dollar game, considering you can't get it anywhere else. It can't be on any list because it's a package. Do you think Soccer Moms and Grandmas even know how to use Ebay/Amazon to sell their products? I don't even know if a lot of the demographic knows that you can trade-in games.
@haxan: You are mad if you trade in SSBB, you will want to play that when there are mates around some day.
@Seth338
It's possible all your friends own it, could bring it over to your house whenever, and you've gotten all the trophies/100% complete and you just want another great Wii game to play. Makes sense.
It's possible all your friends own it, could bring it over to your house whenever, and you've gotten all the trophies/100% complete and you just want another great Wii game to play. Makes sense.
If I like it I'll keep it. Viva Pinata I sold back. Got it for 9 dollars though so I made super profit.
Bioshock I keep. Obviously.
Bioshock I keep. Obviously.
Also spoiler: Trading in a game doesnt mean we dont like it as much as another game. From all of my personal experience people trade in games because they are smart with their money, they use money from X games trade in and use it to buy the new Y game that just came out. This avoids them having to spend the full 50-60 bucks for a new game all the time, like soccer moms do when they buy more shovelware for the Wii.
So tl;dr, hardcore gamers are financially smarter?
So tl;dr, hardcore gamers are financially smarter?
@Seth,
Sure, but I could do without my copies of Elebits and Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam much easier than I could Lost Odyssey and Xbox Arcade Collection (the only 360 disks I own as of yet). Not that I sell games at all, regardless.
My point is that it says more about smart buying decisions than anything else. There are good games and terrible games for every system. And more of them happen to be for the Wii than any other system. You are just more distinguishing when it comes to shelling out for a Wii title. And with good reason.
I certainly wouldn't trade Mario Galaxy or Twilight Princess for anything in the Xbox library. But I would part with my Wii sooner than my 360, for sure.
Sure, but I could do without my copies of Elebits and Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam much easier than I could Lost Odyssey and Xbox Arcade Collection (the only 360 disks I own as of yet). Not that I sell games at all, regardless.
My point is that it says more about smart buying decisions than anything else. There are good games and terrible games for every system. And more of them happen to be for the Wii than any other system. You are just more distinguishing when it comes to shelling out for a Wii title. And with good reason.
I certainly wouldn't trade Mario Galaxy or Twilight Princess for anything in the Xbox library. But I would part with my Wii sooner than my 360, for sure.
This site is perfect for me. I'm planning on going to garage sells and such to make a profit off of old games, systems, computer parts, various other electronic I'm knowledgeable about, etc.
Also, Panzer Dragoon Saga and Radiant Silvergun down to $200. YESS.. Dragon Force down to $70! I knew this recession was good for something.
Also, Panzer Dragoon Saga and Radiant Silvergun down to $200. YESS.. Dragon Force down to $70! I knew this recession was good for something.
All kidding aside, if a game deserves a 10/10 review, if it in fact "perfect", then even "thrifty" hardcore gamers would never trade it in for a quick buck.
When a game is "perfect", that means it is worth owning, and if a game is worth owning as opposed to rneting, that means it's worth playing off and on for the rest of your god damn life. If you don't think so, if you think even the best videogames are totally disposable, then you aren't really a hardcore gamer.
When a game is "perfect", that means it is worth owning, and if a game is worth owning as opposed to rneting, that means it's worth playing off and on for the rest of your god damn life. If you don't think so, if you think even the best videogames are totally disposable, then you aren't really a hardcore gamer.
Games for Nintendo systems never go down in price. I remember my old room mate tried to get Smash Brothers for the Gamescube for the three years I lived with him and it never went down. I wish I had an answer other than the fact that until the Wii, Nintendo was selling as many systems and therefore may not have been releasing as many copies of games. That coupled with the fact that games for Nintendo systems are 9 times out of 10 crappy means you want to keep the quality that comes out. Also, I refuse to let Games Stop or EBgames rip me off. I tend to wait to games that I am "meh" about to depreciate in value as a new game. I bought Dark Sector the other day for $10 new.
Personally, I've never traded in or sold any video game I've ever owned, except for my original Xbox. And that was only because I sold the system as well.
Yes, I have some real crapmonsters lagging up my collection (Pat Riley's Basketball on Genesis, anyone???).
Yes, I have some real crapmonsters lagging up my collection (Pat Riley's Basketball on Genesis, anyone???).
It should also be noted that there are more Wiis in the hands of consumers. Therefore, there is a larger base to resale to. The demand will be higher because there are more interested buyers. This is too complex an issue to generalize.
I don't think it means hardcore gamers are financially smarter SephirothX, I think they just don't see a reason to clutter up their space with all the stuff there never going to play again, they live more in the now playing new games over old, and all those old ones take up space. I know I have a 500+ (probably a lot more now but I quit keeping track for a while and now am too behind) game collection across 11 systems (although the majority of those are PS1/2/3 and NES) and I have serious problems keeping them anywhere in an organized fashion, I mean, is there any good way to store 180 CD cases, 160 DVD cases, and 100+ Carts? No. I can see why you'd trade them in, specially if your tight on space, and would think that that, in addition to playing the latest greatest thing is the reason, and from the other gamers I know, it's not financial samrtness. I don't trade games in only because you don't get anything for them at a local store, and selling them online is more work than I'm going to go through for a few bucks, I'm not strapped for cash my any means (I'm also not rolling in cash driving my beemer either) so the effort/reward ration is now high enough, besides I never know when I'm going to want to play some obscure classic and would hate to re-buy something. (although I have multiple games on my PS1/PS3 that are unopened, not because there rare but because I got the at a great price and don't have time.)
ooops, sry about wall of text
tl;dr?
It's not them being financially smarter, there just playing the latest greatest thing and don't want the old stuff cluttering the place up.
tl;dr?
It's not them being financially smarter, there just playing the latest greatest thing and don't want the old stuff cluttering the place up.
@ Haxan- The Wii's install base is only slightly larger than the 360's in the United States. I think that it passed the 360 in July or something.
@ Jonathan Holmes
You assume far too much as long as it benefits your biased arguements. Whether or not a person wants to own a game has nothing to do with a rating a game gets. Reviews and ratings are meant to determine whether or not you should play the game, not buy the game. What a person does with a game is purely personal choice, there is no golden rule to buying and trading in games whether or not you are a soccer-mom gamer or a hardcore gamer.
You assume far too much as long as it benefits your biased arguements. Whether or not a person wants to own a game has nothing to do with a rating a game gets. Reviews and ratings are meant to determine whether or not you should play the game, not buy the game. What a person does with a game is purely personal choice, there is no golden rule to buying and trading in games whether or not you are a soccer-mom gamer or a hardcore gamer.
Also, perhaps 'casual' games dont get traded in more often because there arent as many other good games to trading for?
This isn't an indicator of quality, it's an indicator of how successful the multiplayer is. People trade in when they are either sick of the game, or beat the story.
Based on supply and demand, an extremely well selling single player game will drop to a very low price point even if it is amazing. I keep my multiplayer games just in case I want to play it later.
Based on supply and demand, an extremely well selling single player game will drop to a very low price point even if it is amazing. I keep my multiplayer games just in case I want to play it later.
The conclusions being drawn are highly suspect, at least the way they're worded in the summary of the article rather than the article itself.
Supply and Demand is a huge effect here. There's quite a large supply of games like GTAIV so of course its resale value is going to be down. Games with more limited release tend to hold on to their resale value better (and eventually increase as they age if they become desirable).
Another factor is availability. Wii Sports has a relatively low availability. Every copy of Wii Sports starts out owned by a person. This makes finding a copy of the game much harder. Meanwhile a game like GTA IV has new copies filling the shelves.
Another factor can be price of a new copy of the game. As time passes and retailers want to move these copies off their shelves so they lower the price. Also possible is a release of a GotY, platinum, or greatest hits version at a lower price. Any presense of a new copy with a fixed price will affect the value of a 2nd hand copy. Arguably the fixed price of a new copy and its availability is another metric to judge games though.
Another big factor talked about but in a nonsensical way is replayability. Games like Final Fantasy and others that don't feature a good amount of replayability will drop in price faster than games that do. Many people will resell a game once 'done' with it to grab the next game. This applies to casual gamers (and games) as well as hardcore ones.
Next up is desirability of used vs new. 'Hardcore' gamers are likely to favor new new copies of the game. They want the fresh new game feel and don't want to risk a scratched disk (it's a geek/nerd thing?). Meanwhile casual gamers are likely more apathetic towards getting a new copy and will thus put more demand on a used copy. It's hard to tell if this is actually what's going on but given the data there's no way to prove or disprove it. More study would be needed to accurately determine the whole picture of what's influencing prices.
And we'll end with date. The more time a game's been out the lower its resale value (less demand). That's just common sense.
So pretty much I find the chart to be interesting but all of the conclusions to be completely worthless. There just isn't enough data about what's going on to say anymore than what the raw numbers already do.
Supply and Demand is a huge effect here. There's quite a large supply of games like GTAIV so of course its resale value is going to be down. Games with more limited release tend to hold on to their resale value better (and eventually increase as they age if they become desirable).
Another factor is availability. Wii Sports has a relatively low availability. Every copy of Wii Sports starts out owned by a person. This makes finding a copy of the game much harder. Meanwhile a game like GTA IV has new copies filling the shelves.
Another factor can be price of a new copy of the game. As time passes and retailers want to move these copies off their shelves so they lower the price. Also possible is a release of a GotY, platinum, or greatest hits version at a lower price. Any presense of a new copy with a fixed price will affect the value of a 2nd hand copy. Arguably the fixed price of a new copy and its availability is another metric to judge games though.
Another big factor talked about but in a nonsensical way is replayability. Games like Final Fantasy and others that don't feature a good amount of replayability will drop in price faster than games that do. Many people will resell a game once 'done' with it to grab the next game. This applies to casual gamers (and games) as well as hardcore ones.
Next up is desirability of used vs new. 'Hardcore' gamers are likely to favor new new copies of the game. They want the fresh new game feel and don't want to risk a scratched disk (it's a geek/nerd thing?). Meanwhile casual gamers are likely more apathetic towards getting a new copy and will thus put more demand on a used copy. It's hard to tell if this is actually what's going on but given the data there's no way to prove or disprove it. More study would be needed to accurately determine the whole picture of what's influencing prices.
And we'll end with date. The more time a game's been out the lower its resale value (less demand). That's just common sense.
So pretty much I find the chart to be interesting but all of the conclusions to be completely worthless. There just isn't enough data about what's going on to say anymore than what the raw numbers already do.
Quite shady numbers if you ask me.
Also, I'd like to point out that you can get GTA4 used at Gamestop for $30 so that price up their is actually only $10 cheaper than the buying price.
Smash Bros, however, is still $45 used (Nintendo games hardly ever drop in price) so it's "real value" is $15 less than it's sale value.
And that's an incredibly condescending tone towards other "game journalists" I must say. They don't pick games that YOU'RE attached to so they must be "out of touch?"
Here's the game of the year titles that I've seen thus far:
-GTA4
-Fallout 3
-MGS4
-Left 4 Dead
-LittleBigPlanet
-Braid
And basically ALL of those games (save for arguably GTA4) are amazing games that have nearly everyone can have strong "attachments" to.
YOU are the exception to the rule, chief. The rest of the world isn't wrong because you feel differently from them. Hell, you're not even wrong for loving SSBB.
I know you love your Wii and SSBB is a perfectly fine game for your game of the year. Personally, I can't see how anyone could find it "perfect" or develop much of an attachment to it beyond it being a fun party game, but I've never really liked the Smash Bros games all that much. I'm more into tourny fighters like Soul Calibur, Tekken, Guilty Gear, and Street Fighter.
Seriously though, you very often come accross as a Wii fanboy who won't even give the other systems a try.
Also, I'd like to point out that you can get GTA4 used at Gamestop for $30 so that price up their is actually only $10 cheaper than the buying price.
Smash Bros, however, is still $45 used (Nintendo games hardly ever drop in price) so it's "real value" is $15 less than it's sale value.
And that's an incredibly condescending tone towards other "game journalists" I must say. They don't pick games that YOU'RE attached to so they must be "out of touch?"
Here's the game of the year titles that I've seen thus far:
-GTA4
-Fallout 3
-MGS4
-Left 4 Dead
-LittleBigPlanet
-Braid
And basically ALL of those games (save for arguably GTA4) are amazing games that have nearly everyone can have strong "attachments" to.
YOU are the exception to the rule, chief. The rest of the world isn't wrong because you feel differently from them. Hell, you're not even wrong for loving SSBB.
I know you love your Wii and SSBB is a perfectly fine game for your game of the year. Personally, I can't see how anyone could find it "perfect" or develop much of an attachment to it beyond it being a fun party game, but I've never really liked the Smash Bros games all that much. I'm more into tourny fighters like Soul Calibur, Tekken, Guilty Gear, and Street Fighter.
Seriously though, you very often come accross as a Wii fanboy who won't even give the other systems a try.
I never sell any games. Even ones I dislike. I enjoy the "collection" aspect of a games collection.
Besides, why throw down 40-60 dollars for a new game, only to get back maybe 5 bucks?
Unless you're living out of a shopping cart, then your ability to house a collection might be limited.
Besides, why throw down 40-60 dollars for a new game, only to get back maybe 5 bucks?
Unless you're living out of a shopping cart, then your ability to house a collection might be limited.
I'd never trade in a game. I consider myself a collector. The only games I ever resold were my Wii games that left my home right with the console.
I'm happy though if other people like to trade in their games, because it means that my collection can grow in a much more affordable manner.
I'm happy though if other people like to trade in their games, because it means that my collection can grow in a much more affordable manner.
Case in point that these numbers are crap and are only values based on the "rarity" of the titles:
-Digimon Rumble Arena 2 (PS2): $24.99 (69% GameRankings score)
-Gallop Racer 2006 (PS2): $23.00 (71% score)
-Hasbro Family Game Night (PS2): $29.86 (705 score)
-Jurassic Park Operation Genesis (PS2): $44.00! (74.5% score)
-Madagascar Escape 2 Africa (PS2): $36.45 (64% score)
This is laughable. NONE of these games are worth keeping (unless you're a fan of fictional horse racing!) and NONE of them would have ANY sort of value if they weren't new or hard to find.
These "values" are clearly just basically aggregate price values based off of ebay, amazon, and half.com (they even have the links next to the games!).
Any argument based off of this data is null and void.
-Digimon Rumble Arena 2 (PS2): $24.99 (69% GameRankings score)
-Gallop Racer 2006 (PS2): $23.00 (71% score)
-Hasbro Family Game Night (PS2): $29.86 (705 score)
-Jurassic Park Operation Genesis (PS2): $44.00! (74.5% score)
-Madagascar Escape 2 Africa (PS2): $36.45 (64% score)
This is laughable. NONE of these games are worth keeping (unless you're a fan of fictional horse racing!) and NONE of them would have ANY sort of value if they weren't new or hard to find.
These "values" are clearly just basically aggregate price values based off of ebay, amazon, and half.com (they even have the links next to the games!).
Any argument based off of this data is null and void.
Really? You _know_ people who give good reviews to Gears 2 and GTA IV were paid to do so?
Why are you sitting on this explosive evidence when the soul of video game journalism is at stake? You have a moral responsibility to out these people.
Why are you sitting on this explosive evidence when the soul of video game journalism is at stake? You have a moral responsibility to out these people.
Boatorious is right!!! give us the names so that we might out them!!!
Also how much does one get paid to write a good review? Have you ever been propositioned by one of these dasderly companies? DId you refuse the money? or was it Nintendo who got to you first?
Also how much does one get paid to write a good review? Have you ever been propositioned by one of these dasderly companies? DId you refuse the money? or was it Nintendo who got to you first?
i never trade in my games, you don't get enough back for it anyway... you have to trade in at least 3 games to get 1 fresh one, that's just not right....
THIS IS FOR ALL YOU 'COLLECTORS'
Now, i don't have a problem with people collecting things. but, what i find really, REALLY fucking annoying is the fact that a lot of collectors dont play all those games they own..
What annoys me about this is when im trying like fuck to buy a copy of castlevania: symphony of the night, rez, marvel vs. capcom 2, ZOE: The 2nd runner. I have finally owned these games and have been able to play them. A lot of people dont and cant. so, when I finish them and im not going to play them again, i pass them on.
This may not be too much of a problem in the states. but, here in the UK it can be very hard to acquire rare games and some dickheads on ebay ask ridiculous prices!
sorry about rant. but, you wouldn't believe the effort i have had to put in to play some of these games :(
Now, i don't have a problem with people collecting things. but, what i find really, REALLY fucking annoying is the fact that a lot of collectors dont play all those games they own..
What annoys me about this is when im trying like fuck to buy a copy of castlevania: symphony of the night, rez, marvel vs. capcom 2, ZOE: The 2nd runner. I have finally owned these games and have been able to play them. A lot of people dont and cant. so, when I finish them and im not going to play them again, i pass them on.
This may not be too much of a problem in the states. but, here in the UK it can be very hard to acquire rare games and some dickheads on ebay ask ridiculous prices!
sorry about rant. but, you wouldn't believe the effort i have had to put in to play some of these games :(
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