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It's because Europe and Australia aren't lawsuit-happy opportunist assholes like Americas often are. It's just not a necessary step there like it is here.
Yes, I'm American btw.
Yes, I'm American btw.
I believe the reasoning is that the US is more litigation heavy. I heard there is also an EU law that prevents the forfeiture of class action rights by signing a contract.
So it doesn't apply in europe either?
Isn't that more of a headline?
Whatevs, I didn't care anyway.,i don't want to sue anyone, I just wasn't to play games online, for free.
Isn't that more of a headline?
Whatevs, I didn't care anyway.,i don't want to sue anyone, I just wasn't to play games online, for free.
It's not "doesn't require protection"
It's "it's against the law and we'd get hammered by the government for trying it"
It's "it's against the law and we'd get hammered by the government for trying it"
aside from the obvious point about americans suing whenever possible (yet they seem to hate lawyers...) perhaps it's because a class action suit in america is likely to be larger than one in any other region due to the size of their customer base there.
it's still odd that they have done this at all.
it's still odd that they have done this at all.
There may have been a time when my fellow citizens and I could be proud to be americans. Now is not that time, nor has it been for quite a while
and jesus, i have to say, sony has really fucked up.
"...benefit both the consumer and the company by ensuring that there is adequate time and procedures to resolve disputes"
how the fuck can it possibly benefit customers to have their right to litigation removed? they could have gone down the arbitration route before, now it is forced... mind boggling
"...benefit both the consumer and the company by ensuring that there is adequate time and procedures to resolve disputes"
how the fuck can it possibly benefit customers to have their right to litigation removed? they could have gone down the arbitration route before, now it is forced... mind boggling
It's not because America is suehappy, its because corporations can get away with something so blatantly anticonsumer in America. I don't think Sony's lawyers are in a room saying "Well shit, Australia. You guys don't seem to sue so much so we're going to go ahead and reward you by allowing you to sue us if you like."
Also, it makes me happy that grown ups on the internet understand why this shit is bad. The people on gaming sites, not so much, considering how retarded gamers seem to be when it comes to civil liberties. But thankfully everyone else seems to be up in arms over it.
Also, it makes me happy that grown ups on the internet understand why this shit is bad. The people on gaming sites, not so much, considering how retarded gamers seem to be when it comes to civil liberties. But thankfully everyone else seems to be up in arms over it.
@OneRed
You and I already discussed that, and I appreciated the dialogue, so I won't get back into it again. I would, however, respectfully request that you don't refer to people that happen to disagree with you as "retarded" simply because they disagree. It's tasteless and douchey. Show some class, please. You're better than that.
You and I already discussed that, and I appreciated the dialogue, so I won't get back into it again. I would, however, respectfully request that you don't refer to people that happen to disagree with you as "retarded" simply because they disagree. It's tasteless and douchey. Show some class, please. You're better than that.
Understandable, yesterday I saw a man here in ny an idiot yelling at a man that he would sue him if he touch him with his car.said man yelling this was in the middle of the crossroads during a green light. Said car he was yelling at hadn't even started moving yet.
Yeah 95% of Americans are bloodsucking opportunist so I can't complain when companies and people make these decisions.
Yeah 95% of Americans are bloodsucking opportunist so I can't complain when companies and people make these decisions.
@Tristrix
Condescend much, skipper? I wasn't talking to you specifically, as hard as that may be for you to understand, I am speaking in general terms. People aren't retarded because they disagree, they're retarded for being apologists in the face of shit that harms them. But hey, I'm sure its hard to tell the difference fro the top of that high horse.
Condescend much, skipper? I wasn't talking to you specifically, as hard as that may be for you to understand, I am speaking in general terms. People aren't retarded because they disagree, they're retarded for being apologists in the face of shit that harms them. But hey, I'm sure its hard to tell the difference fro the top of that high horse.
@Tristrix
Condescend much, skipper? I wasn't talking to you specifically, as hard as that may be for you to understand, I am speaking in general terms. People aren't retarded because they disagree, they're retarded for being apologists in the face of shit that harms them. But hey, I'm sure its hard to tell the difference fro the top of that high horse.
Condescend much, skipper? I wasn't talking to you specifically, as hard as that may be for you to understand, I am speaking in general terms. People aren't retarded because they disagree, they're retarded for being apologists in the face of shit that harms them. But hey, I'm sure its hard to tell the difference fro the top of that high horse.
I'm the one on the high horse? Was I the one calling people names for holding different opinions? Seriously, get over yourself, grow up, and acquire the maturity necessary to recognize that you're not right about everything and there's other, perfectly valid viewpoints out there. A little respect for your peers will go a long way, "skipper."
i'm think SCE is doing this just for regions that got a high rate of lawsuits when happened the Geohot/Lulzsec/Anonymous thing
It's not about holding different opinions, its about allowing harm to come to all consumers for no valid reason, and acting as though it is a good thing. Thats retarded. If you want to act as though you are above casual conversation in the comments section of a gaming blog, I'll rephrase.
It is both unreasonable and incomprehensible to imply the waiving of basic consumer rights, at the demand of an entity which waives none of its own rights as a provider of goods and services, is a valid means of empowering the consumer in the long term. Arbitration, while bringing about resolution more quickly than its courtroom counterpart, does not prevent the offending party from continuing to act in a manner detrimental to those who would typically be on more solid legal ground to protect their rights as consumers. This is under no circustance, foreseen or otherwise, good for consumers at large, a fact that is understood by level headed human beings who have no inclination to allow a business entity to thrive at their own expense. This does not apply to comment sections on gaming blogs, where the term "gamer" is oft times synonymous with "corporate apologist".
But I can just say that it is retarded that gamers allow companies to pull shit that harms them, and actually defend it as though having their rights taken away is a good thing. Thats a ton simpler.
It is both unreasonable and incomprehensible to imply the waiving of basic consumer rights, at the demand of an entity which waives none of its own rights as a provider of goods and services, is a valid means of empowering the consumer in the long term. Arbitration, while bringing about resolution more quickly than its courtroom counterpart, does not prevent the offending party from continuing to act in a manner detrimental to those who would typically be on more solid legal ground to protect their rights as consumers. This is under no circustance, foreseen or otherwise, good for consumers at large, a fact that is understood by level headed human beings who have no inclination to allow a business entity to thrive at their own expense. This does not apply to comment sections on gaming blogs, where the term "gamer" is oft times synonymous with "corporate apologist".
But I can just say that it is retarded that gamers allow companies to pull shit that harms them, and actually defend it as though having their rights taken away is a good thing. Thats a ton simpler.
@OneRed
Wow. Dude says "don't call people retards for no reason" and your response is "Fuck you you condescending asshole"? Calm down and stop being a douchebag.
Wow. Dude says "don't call people retards for no reason" and your response is "Fuck you you condescending asshole"? Calm down and stop being a douchebag.
@Heatbox
Nah, I'm done. Just saw an injustice and felt like white knighting. Pretty pointless on teh intrawebz, as someone already reminded me. Should have just posted a pic of a chick laughing and eating salad instead.
Nah, I'm done. Just saw an injustice and felt like white knighting. Pretty pointless on teh intrawebz, as someone already reminded me. Should have just posted a pic of a chick laughing and eating salad instead.
I agree with Onered.
Tristrix is a narcissistic troll. Who is fed by anyone taking a position on anything which just so happens to always cross him, then he claims not to care, and quits as the bigger man.
Addressed to the public:
A law suit is not bad it is how we settle disputes minus pitchforks and torches.
It can be used for evil of course my pen on my desk can as well but that does not mean all pens are evil or all people that own or use pens are evil.
Oh and I just posted my letter the opting out of this clause just as it states in the new TOS and I suggest you do the same.
6080 Center Drive, Los Angeles, Ca 90025
Tristrix is a narcissistic troll. Who is fed by anyone taking a position on anything which just so happens to always cross him, then he claims not to care, and quits as the bigger man.
Addressed to the public:
A law suit is not bad it is how we settle disputes minus pitchforks and torches.
It can be used for evil of course my pen on my desk can as well but that does not mean all pens are evil or all people that own or use pens are evil.
Oh and I just posted my letter the opting out of this clause just as it states in the new TOS and I suggest you do the same.
6080 Center Drive, Los Angeles, Ca 90025
you can opt out by sending a old school letter to Sony, know your rights
also TOS will not hold in court it is not a legal contract just a agreement
also TOS will not hold in court it is not a legal contract just a agreement
Not that I would be interested in entering a lawsuit, but by opting out out this clause would one be forfeiting their use of PSN by doing so?
It might help against frivolous lawsuits. For real grievances, I'm sure any lawyer who has passed the bar can get around an online Terms of Service agreement signed with the push of a button
@Zantetzuken It is unlikely. I read that part and it does not specifically state that you will forfeit the use of PSN by doing so. If they tried to close your account they'd probably have a problem that you could take them to court over.
It would be small claims court most likely, which isn't included in the waiver anyway, but you could most likely get your account back on a technicality or something.
The clause is buried in legalese and its unlikely that anyone would even look at the Right to Opt Out section unless a website pointed it out to us (thanks David and Destructoid). They'll probably get 10 opt out letters or some ridiculously low number which would even prevent a class action suit from even being filed.
It would be small claims court most likely, which isn't included in the waiver anyway, but you could most likely get your account back on a technicality or something.
The clause is buried in legalese and its unlikely that anyone would even look at the Right to Opt Out section unless a website pointed it out to us (thanks David and Destructoid). They'll probably get 10 opt out letters or some ridiculously low number which would even prevent a class action suit from even being filed.
Obviously they just couldn't get away such anti consumer rights bullshit in other countries. Probably because those countries actually bothered to have a few laws and trade watchdog groups that protect the consumer and don't bend over for big corporations.
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