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New Kingdom Hearts story is hard for Disney to understand photo

Tetsuya Nomura spoke with Famitsu on the next in his series of Kingdom Hearts games, Dream Drop Distance. In the interview, translated by SQEX GAL, he said that he is currently going over the scenario with Disney for approval, and it seems that the story is a bit hard to understand.

"It’s fairly complicated. Right now I’m telling Disney about the scenarios, but it’s hard for them to understand it all at once."

It seems that they're hanging in there, though: "It’s difficult since their approval is necessary to move forward with localization, but there are many people in Disney who love the Kingdom Hearts series as well. They want to create the game accurately too, so somehow they’re following along with me."

If you want to blame someone for Nomura's crazy, convoluted story lines, blame Final Fantasy creator Hironobu Sakaguchi. Earlier in the interview he told Famitsu that he was hoping to make the story more clear and simple. 

"But while I was developing the first Kingdom Hearts, I received a single piece of advice from Sakaguchi-san*. That was, 'If you don’t make it more complex like with Final Fantasy, you won’t be able to compete.'"

Damn you, Sakaguchi!

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Epic-Kx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:04
Epic-Kx
Blame Sakaguchi.

That prick :L

Yeaaaah, but 3D: Derp Durp Derpity is probably gonna be good.
Namodacranks's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:04
Namodacranks
inb4 NAME IS STOOPIT
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:06
king kong five
i fucking hate square enix so fucking much
BraydenCurtis's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:09
BraydenCurtis
"he was hoping to make the story more [simple and clean]."

Really, how could you not used that? xD
Skyy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:10
Skyy
I....I....just want KH 3.
Gamescook's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:11
Gamescook
Well, at least he's no Motomu Toriyama, that sexist hack of a "writer".
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:13
Xzyliac
@Skyy
You and me both sister.
DrRockso87's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:14
DrRockso87
I think when Sakaguchi said, "Make it more complex", he didn't mean, "Make it so people who play the second game won't understand anything until they play the 16 prequels/interquels before it." *sigh*

I wish Nomura would stopped spreading the series so thin. The first two and Chain of Memories no problem. 358/2 Days, not bad. We learn about Roxas. Birth By Sleep? Awesome. Good game and we learn about the origins of the story. But Coded? Did Nomura honestly plagiarize some fan-fiction writer? And now another story that even Disney doesn't understand?

After Birth By Sleep they should've just started immediately on developing Kingdom Hearts III already. Also, after this long friggin' wait, we better see some damn Pixar characters! *shakes fist*
Adam Duffles Duffield's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:17
Adam Duffles Duffield
Cant wait for this, also interested to see how its meant to lead into kh3 :D
Telephis's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:17
Telephis
@BraydenCurtis my thoughts exactly.
Also the only one in the series I have played was the first and I absolutely loved it, are any of the others good?
Kyogissun's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:19
Kyogissun
I dunno people, if you play at least 1, 2 and Birth By Sleep, you've gotten all the story that's REALLY necessary to understand what's going on.

Chain of Memories, 358, Re:Coded, all of those are pretty unnecessary. I mean just go read some wiki entries for fucks sake.

People bitch about the complexity of the Kingdom Hearts series like it's some god damn da vinci code puzzle...
DrRockso87's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:19
DrRockso87
@Gamescook - Very big high-five! Motomu Toriyama is an ass. I don't think what he did to Parasite Eve is forgivable.
ricochetguro's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:21
ricochetguro
KH's story isn't that complicated. 1,2,Chains of Memory, and Birth By Sleep have the biggest importance while the rest are side stories.

I"ve said this before but Birth by Sleep is basically KH3. Its extremely important plot wise and plays better then 1 or 2. The trailer(aka secret ending in KH2) for it that was put on youtube was even titled "KH3" for many years.

People forget but KH2 didn't exactly set up a massive sequel.
Los255's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:22
Los255
Square. Stop it.
Nevi's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:23
Nevi
So even Disney is now calling the series out for having its head up its own ass. It is not complex, its not clever, its just a mumbling mess of trite dialogue.

I would love for the Disney license to be pulled and Square Enix to re-focus its efforts on its older and more deserving IPs.
Faux Furry's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:32
Faux Furry
Haley Joel Osment is going to be a grand father by the time that Square-Enix gets around to doing Kingdom Hearts 3 at this rate.
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:33
amtalx
Does anyone else find it hilarious that we keep gettin KH games with completely asinine names when all anybody wants is KH3?
AceFlibble's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:35
AceFlibble
A convoluted story, from Square, in a game with a name like a goth weeaboo's new wave band? Well I never.
Swanny's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:37
Swanny
@Amtalx-
It's not hilarious, so much as a fucking tragedy.
Voxeril's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:37
Voxeril
inb4 jim rage

The story is not that complex, once you get your head around the item of dreams, memoirs and souls and how these can be moved around I found it very simple.
Barry Burton's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:38
Barry Burton
But actually Sakaguchi's plots are quite simple.
MuddBstrd's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:38
MuddBstrd
I'm pretty sure when Sakaguchi said "make it complicated", he was talking about the level of complication we had in KHI. He did not mean "make a fuck ton of side games about a bunch of side characters that mine minute areas of the story with ridiculous levels of detail".
OneRed's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:39
OneRed
Only modern Square Enix could place its head so far up its ass with all so many of their most beloved franchises. Humble the fuck up, SE, its no longer the late 90s, and you're no longer covered in teflon.
Everyday Legend's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:43
Everyday Legend
Nevi is so right.
ricochetguro's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:47
ricochetguro
I don't get any of these complaints. If you don't like the side stories don't play them(which obviously, almost no one commenting actually has)

Play 1,2, and Birth by Sleep as those are the necessary ones . I don't see how expanding the plot in a series is bad. And all the people crying for 3 probably haven't played Birth by Sleep. It actually sets up a 3rd game(which KH2 didn't)
burningsoup's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:51
burningsoup
I'll tell you what--if KH3 is really good and the story is understandable (to a degree) without having played all 50 of the handheld side-stories, I will be happy.
FierceRichie's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:52
FierceRichie
If you don't want to play the side games just Google the story. :P

Also
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:56
king kong five
What made KH fun for me in the first place was the Square characters and the Disney characters. The least interesting aspect of KH1, for me, were the original characters (Sora, Riku, and what's her face). It seems that as the series goes on the focus shifts more and more away from the Disney/Square universes and more towards the KH universe, which is all original, and all fucking shit.

Like with the Final Fantasy series, Square has taken an exciting concept with the KH series and driven it into the ground. JAPAN!
Zeag's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:01
Zeag
Kingdom Hearts; Cool Squaresoft! Gimme more!

Kingdom Hearts - Chain of Memories; Oh ok, that's a bit weird, combat based on cards... but it's really nice for a GBA game

Kingdom Hearts 2; Wow, Square-Enix, way to go! CAN'T WAIT FOR 3!

Kingdom Hearts Re: Chain of Memories; Oh nice now I can have the whole series on Playstation, yay!

Kingdom Hearts: Coded; Oooook I guess you have to please these ravenous japanese cellphone-only players?

Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days; Ok, what the hell is going on here? And what kind of strange title is that? Why ANOTHER game set between KH 1 and 2? Wasn't Chain of Memories and even a remake of that same game not enough to cover that period?

Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep; Oh ok so THAT's what the teaser at the end of KH2 was about. That's ok i guess because it was a cool trailer. But I wish it was KH3, I want to know what's NEXT you know... And that title isn't much better than this 358 and a half-something atrocity of a name.

Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance; SERIOUSLY S-E, IT'S BEEN SIX YEARS NOW, I KIND OF WANT A PROPER SEQUEL WITH AN EASY TO UNDERSTAND TITLE INSTEAD OF OVER-CONVULTED BULLSHIT. KKTHXBAI.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:03
KingSigy
Blame Sakaguchi? How about blame all the god-damned spin-offs? If they'd just focus on the third damn game instead of making portable versions, we'd be fine.
JudgementXD's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:07
JudgementXD
If only there weren't so many damn side games! I swear nobody could have played all the games. Legally at least...
OscarGe's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:11
OscarGe
Seems to me like people think KH3DS is just some random spin-off, which it ISN'T! It's just as important as I,II,CoM and BBS! Do some damn research...
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:12
The Silent Protagonist
It still amazes me people love vapid and creatively bankrupt console installments of Kingdom Hearts more than the so-called "spin-offs" where SE decided people should be playing a game with actual gameplay ideas more than watching it.

I guess people value a console installment of an anemic Disney-flavored Star Wars clone more than actual action RPGs, but its still funny to watch people curse SE for making actual games when it seems Nomura and Tabita are the only ones left at SE with that intent.

I say stick to the handheld ones, fuck the vocal minority that hates them and make KH3 a CG movie rather than a waste of time on the PS3, because if that game is anything like the PS2 ones, I'm just Youtubing the cutscenes. It should be, at minimum, like Birth By Sleep.

Or just put KH3 on PSV instead of PS3, just so some of these "fans" can have a fucking stroke.
Popparocks's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:12
Popparocks
I gave up on KH after that 3DS one. I could care less about all these "Cool, dark, sexy, and mysterious" characters that have populated the cesspool known as fanfiction. Seriously, look at how many KH fanfics there are. It blows my mind.

At any rate, I liked KH because it had amazing gameplay with the Disney characters I grew up with. It was a nostalgia trip for me. I say they take out all of the Squeenix characters and just let you play as Mickey, Donald, or Goofy stomping ass around the Disney Universe...
ProperlyParanoid's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:14
ProperlyParanoid
My little brother is playing the first Kingdom Hearts, and even he said the story is so stupid it makes him kinda embarassed.

He's 10 years old.

Too bad, cause the gameplay in KH2 was fantastic, I just wish we could get more of that but with either a decent story or no story at all.
Gabriel Diaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:23
Gabriel Diaz
Derp Durp Derpity sounds like a way better title lol
StriderHoang's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:28
StriderHoang
I wish Disney would rather man up like a friend and just say, "Dude, we have to talk. Ease up on the story because I can't understand it."
tekbunny's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:34
tekbunny
Oh thank God, now it looks like they are fucking up your kingdom hearts story too. I don't feel so alone now.

Welcome to the hell of an ex-final fantasy fanboy. Just remember; they use to make good games before they started making shit ones.
worldagainstjose's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:43
worldagainstjose
Story isn't overcomplicated, BBS,1,CoM, and 2 are enough. Recoded and 358/2 just add more details, but I could've done without them too. Bring on the confusing but intriguing story plots that takes me a while to understand, but ultimately appreciate more
lewness's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:52
lewness
I think every time they try to get KH3 started, they screw up the storyline somewhere and just decide to release it anyway as a spinoff.
Dale North's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 13:02
Dale North
Gabriel Diaz - i was thinking that!
Adam Duffles Duffield's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 13:11
Adam Duffles Duffield
Its not complicated =.=
Here Ill simplfy it
KH1: The worlds are being destroyed by creatures called heartless. Sora Riku and Kairi live on a island and dream of exploring the world. The night before they set off and thier island is attacked; Kairi gets kidnapped, Riku turns to the darkside, and Sora is chosen as the keyblade master to save the world.
He travels across worlds with donald and goofy, finally meeting up with the now evil Riku and Kairi who has had her heart taken out and is just a shell. IMPORTANT PLOT POINT In order to change her back to normal Sora essentially kills himself and he turns into a heartless; he then gets better. Riku gets possessed by the evil Xehanort and Sora beats the bad guy. Riku and king mickey get locked in the world of darkness when sora seals the world off to prevent heartless coming through. At the end he leaves Kairi to go looking for Riku
KH COM: Sora looking for Riku goes into a castle. In the castle there are evil people called Organisation 13. They use a witch called namine to mess with soras memories, by the end all of the organisation have been killed apart from one called Axel. In the end Sora Donald and Goofy have to go into a coma like state so Namine can undo what shes done and fix thier memories
KH2: Skip forward a year; a boy called Roxas finds out he is a keyblade master. Moreso he was "born" when sora turned into a heartless; basically a shell of Sora. We find out that Organisation 13 is composed entirley of people born from others being turned into heartless; and are looking for a way to become complete. Roxas fuses into Sora so Sora can have his memories. Sora donald and Goofy wake up and continue looking for Riku. In the final showdown they face Xehanort (the boss from the first game)shell that was left when he turned into a heartless. They fight with Riku and win; then go back to the island.

Thats basically the 'Act 1' story of the franchise. The story ends there, and we are in a "Act 2" right now with the games Birth by sleep and 3D. This second act is meant to end with KH3. That means that igoring side games there are only 3 games in Act 1 and 2, not really that hard to wrap your head around.

For people complaining that there isnt a KH3... technically Birth by sleep was it, and 3D is technically 4. They have the same production time and quality into making them and the creater says they are as important as numbered titles. So yeah, theyre not side games, dunno why the number 3 is so important for people to have.
dnd3edm1's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 13:15
dnd3edm1
Square Enix's problem right now is that they're trying too hard for complexity of story to the point where they don't think about anything else. What's wrong with an endearing cast of characters just trying to save the world? That's what they did right with 6-9, and the opposite was done with 12 (crappy characters, too complex story). I'm assuming they haven't changed what sucks about 12 moving on into 13.
BoboTheMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 13:28
BoboTheMonkey
Kingdom Hearts started going downhill after the first one. Fuck Square-Enix.
Sentient 6's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 13:29
Sentient 6
It's hard for everyone to understand...
BoomingEchoes's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 13:42
BoomingEchoes
"It’s difficult since their approval is necessary to move forward with localization, but there are many people in Disney who love the Kingdom Hearts series as well."

Yeah, and even they have to see that the endless, convoluted, games that aren't actual sequels are too much.
Toge77's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 13:53
Toge77
if these spin-off games keep churning, then kh3 will be an awful mess
killias2's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 13:56
killias2
Hey Square, for future reference:

Convoluted does not equal interesting
RichardBlaine's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 13:59
RichardBlaine
@ricochet, fiercerichie, etc

I'm absolutely with you guys on this one. If you think it sounds stupid or don't want to play the side stories, don't play them. They are, quite literally, "side stories". They don't ultimately matter that much to the plot. Furthermore, the plot is actually pretty simple to follow once you wrap your head around a few of the key ideas in the KH Universe. That being said, I'm also pretty tired of waiting for another big console installment.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 14:34
Monodi
This is getting out of control
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