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This game looks good. I like how the engine they're running(Endorphin) has the characters grabbing onto ledges and trying to save themselves. The Tech demo's looked great.
this looks like a cool game, though I wonder about their saying that, "Once you put these characters inbetween the third and fourth movies you can't imagine them without it." Seems like if these ideas are so fresh and pivotal why weren't actually included in those films? I think George just wanted evil force using characters that would kick ass and while they're not neccessarily believable its the fun factor that counts right?
I'm seriously hyped for this one. It looks like exactly what I've wanted as an evolution of the Jedi Knight games.
I don't want guns. No more blasters, no more thermal detonators, no more fucking Bowcaster. I want to wreck shit sideways with Force powers.
I don't want guns. No more blasters, no more thermal detonators, no more fucking Bowcaster. I want to wreck shit sideways with Force powers.
My ideal plot summary for this would be:
"Everybody dies."
Everybody?
EVERYBODY.
Also, this could use more flamethrowers.
"Everybody dies."
Everybody?
EVERYBODY.
Also, this could use more flamethrowers.
Yeah, George Lucas' involvement is the WORST part of this. The man fucking sucks, and frankly, Star Wars is only as good a cult as it is thanks to the extended universe and the work of people who are not Lucas.
Anyway, not a big fan of Star Wars at all, but I am really interested in this game. Extended universe shit is very interesting.
Anyway, not a big fan of Star Wars at all, but I am really interested in this game. Extended universe shit is very interesting.
The first KOTOR wasn't that bad. I hope that this game will be playable. May the force be with you, George Lucas.
The video also shows you the blinkered way in which Lucas approaches storytelling. Telling the developers they have to have these played out archetypes in the game -- gotta have a love interest, gotta have a comedy sidekick -- it's like, can George Lucas ever do something original? I'm sorry, but the first three Star Wars films were VERY generic fairytales. The man is mediocre at best.
Yeah, Lucas' involvement is DEFINITELY going to be the X-factor here. I was (and am - I'm replaying KOTOR the First as we speak) a major fan of the Knights series, and the reason why is because they were totally extended universe.
Basically, Lucas - in my opinion - laid the groundwork for some very interesting CHARACTERS, and the universe itself as a stage, but his writing and storytelling ARE quite average, if you REALLY watch the movies (the original trilogy). In fact, all of my interest in the original Star Wars trilogy came entirely off the strength of the talented writers who expanded on Lucas' groundwork. And repeatedly, Lucas has done shit to totally undermine them. Is it HIS franchise to butcher if he wishes? Sure - but in my opinion, it makes him a very weak writer AND businessman if he doesn't understand just how much the people who have elaborated on his original idea have helped the Star Wars franchise.
Basically, Lucas - in my opinion - laid the groundwork for some very interesting CHARACTERS, and the universe itself as a stage, but his writing and storytelling ARE quite average, if you REALLY watch the movies (the original trilogy). In fact, all of my interest in the original Star Wars trilogy came entirely off the strength of the talented writers who expanded on Lucas' groundwork. And repeatedly, Lucas has done shit to totally undermine them. Is it HIS franchise to butcher if he wishes? Sure - but in my opinion, it makes him a very weak writer AND businessman if he doesn't understand just how much the people who have elaborated on his original idea have helped the Star Wars franchise.
Wow that looks a lot like mass effect. Was I the only one who noticed? But yeah chamces are the game will suck. Just because Lucas and ILM are involved does'nt mean it will be good.
Yeah, I've always felt Lucas got extremely lucky with the original Star Wars films and his involvement with Indiana Jones... Most of what was great about those films have more to do with other people's contributions rather than his own. I've always felt A New Hope was painfully dull at times and overlong. He had good ideas he cribbed together from various mythological sources and foreign films, and made an homage to the cheesy sci-fi Buck Rogers serials out of them.
This game still looks pretty rad though.
This game still looks pretty rad though.
bluemeep said: "I want to wreck shit sideways with Force powers."
I couldn't agree more. I didn't realize that this game had this much potential. I love the ILM face acting stuff, and the destruction just looks awesome. Is this coming out for PC? Please say it is. The website only mentions X360, PlayStation, and (of all things) the DS.
I couldn't agree more. I didn't realize that this game had this much potential. I love the ILM face acting stuff, and the destruction just looks awesome. Is this coming out for PC? Please say it is. The website only mentions X360, PlayStation, and (of all things) the DS.
Jim is referring to the original trilogy and he is right. Lucas is a hack that got lucky with a generic story that managed to pull off sci-fi in a way nobody had seen at the time. It's popularity was carried on by fans and THEY made it into the legendary universe it is today.
Also the Wii version gets custom lightsaber duels. And I know it will suck, but gawd at least there is some kind of hope it won't.
George Lucas used basically the oldest type of story known to man, the Hero's Journey. Obviously he wants this type of story to be in the game, and that requires a Mentor, a love interest, and comedy relief. It doesn't HAVE to be a droid or a wizened old Jedi, but if the duck fits, wear it.
I'm a Star Wars fiend so I'm gonna be getting this anyway. I'd love to stab someone in the face with the Force.
I'm a Star Wars fiend so I'm gonna be getting this anyway. I'd love to stab someone in the face with the Force.
what about the lightsaber combat, I haven't heard anything about that in this game. Are we gonna be able to chop off heads and what not COME ON
George Lucas can't even create original characters. Even his most iconic creation, Darth Vader, is practically devoid of character and fits into the old "hero turned villain" mold. Outside of that, he's just a cool looking guy in a black helmet who says threatening things. No personality.
Han Solo is a typical wisecracking rogue, Luke is a whiny bitch who becomes a Jedi with zero personality. Leia's character has been done as far back as monochrome movies.
Any characters that people latch onto, like Boba Fett, have only been made as good through other people writing for them in books and comics. In fact, once George Lucas got his filthy hands on Boba Fett for Attack of the Clones, he went right ahead and introduced Jango, said he was a clone and shit over all the hard work people had done in making Fett a mysterious but awesome character.
I have never before claimed that a person doesn't understand their own creation, but since Lucas let so many people improve his franchise, then systematically undermined all their hard work, I have to say that he does not understand his own creation.
Han Solo is a typical wisecracking rogue, Luke is a whiny bitch who becomes a Jedi with zero personality. Leia's character has been done as far back as monochrome movies.
Any characters that people latch onto, like Boba Fett, have only been made as good through other people writing for them in books and comics. In fact, once George Lucas got his filthy hands on Boba Fett for Attack of the Clones, he went right ahead and introduced Jango, said he was a clone and shit over all the hard work people had done in making Fett a mysterious but awesome character.
I have never before claimed that a person doesn't understand their own creation, but since Lucas let so many people improve his franchise, then systematically undermined all their hard work, I have to say that he does not understand his own creation.
All I know is they need to make KOTOR into a fucking movie, that shit would rule.
Oh, and Darth Vader stopped being a badass and turned to the fagside when he screamed "Nooooooo" in Revenge...
that was so ghey.
Oh, and Darth Vader stopped being a badass and turned to the fagside when he screamed "Nooooooo" in Revenge...
that was so ghey.
@bleep
Flawed argument is flawed. They can't fit every goddamn thing in the movies. And you can't trust Lucas to write anything good, these days. The extended universe has added more to the mythos than Lucas has, since the first three films.
And Jim is mostly right. Star Wars is a very simplistic story. All the characters are fairly simple types. However, with the original trilogy, the actors and the heart behind the story made it work. The first three are, for lack of a "cooler" word, delightful. Lucas couldn't duplicate it with the prequels, even though he was using a very similar forumula, because his actors didn't know what to do with the material and Lucas is an out-of-touch twit who can't write anymore. "Comic sidekick"? Ugh, die.
Anyway, this game looks great. The story sounds much more believable than I thought it would, and we could have a great cross between Jedi Outcast and KOTOR here.
Flawed argument is flawed. They can't fit every goddamn thing in the movies. And you can't trust Lucas to write anything good, these days. The extended universe has added more to the mythos than Lucas has, since the first three films.
And Jim is mostly right. Star Wars is a very simplistic story. All the characters are fairly simple types. However, with the original trilogy, the actors and the heart behind the story made it work. The first three are, for lack of a "cooler" word, delightful. Lucas couldn't duplicate it with the prequels, even though he was using a very similar forumula, because his actors didn't know what to do with the material and Lucas is an out-of-touch twit who can't write anymore. "Comic sidekick"? Ugh, die.
Anyway, this game looks great. The story sounds much more believable than I thought it would, and we could have a great cross between Jedi Outcast and KOTOR here.
Looks good, playing an evil apprentice instead of a light side character is a much welcome change. From what I've seen so far its looking like a great game, can't wait to see more of it. That robot had better not be another effin jar jar.
As far as Lucas goes, yup he did take existing ideas and spun them in a sci-fi universe. While the story type is not anything new, even when they were first released, the way the movies looked and the action they had in them was something completly new. My uncle still tells me stories when he saw the first Star Wars, it was the first time he remembers saying "woah" during a movie. The movies we have now have the origional triology to thank for much of the technology used to create them. But that seems to be Lucas' thing, overwhelm the auidence with new technology and prettier looking effects while recycling the same story and characters that others have used for centuries.
As far as Lucas goes, yup he did take existing ideas and spun them in a sci-fi universe. While the story type is not anything new, even when they were first released, the way the movies looked and the action they had in them was something completly new. My uncle still tells me stories when he saw the first Star Wars, it was the first time he remembers saying "woah" during a movie. The movies we have now have the origional triology to thank for much of the technology used to create them. But that seems to be Lucas' thing, overwhelm the auidence with new technology and prettier looking effects while recycling the same story and characters that others have used for centuries.
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