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New book details how Microsoft used Sony's Cell processor for the Xbox 360

9:00 PM on 01.01.2009, Brad Nicholson 42 comments

New book details how Microsoft used Sony's Cell processor for the Xbox 360 photo
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David Shippy and Mickie Phipps’ new book “The Race for a New Game Machine” has all the videogames industry drama that a person could ask for. The Wall Street Journal recently put up a tight synopsis of the book, detailing how Microsoft was able to nab fundamental specifications for the Cell and have their own chip created around them for the Xbox 360.

According to the book, Sony decided that the Playstation 3 needed to have a brand new processor, unlike anything their previous consoles featured before. In 2001, a partnership was formed between Sony, Toshiba, and IBM to create the chip from scratch. In 2002, Microsoft (looking to build the 360) went to IBM, saw some of the key specs for the unreleased Cell, and contracted IBM to build a processor around those specifications to put into the 360.

The kicker is that Microsoft ended up winning the time war, without having to spend the R&D money that Sony did. Because of a manufacturing error with the first round of chips that Microsoft protected itself against, they were able to release their console in 2005 – Sony’s original target year.

This book doesn’t have spies, ninjas, Master Chief, or pictures of cats in precarious positions with hilariously misspelled captions to explain the predicament. It does have an awesome story to tell, though.


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Jon2309's Avatar
Jon2309 at 01/01/2009 21:28
My xbox plays games. I like that. :)
Shirley Temple's Avatar
Shirley Temple at 01/01/2009 21:29
@Wedge:

Are those the same processors that were the main reason gaming on a mac sucked?
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darkwhitehair at 01/01/2009 21:33
ohh Microsoft steals everything... blar blahr blar... hardy hoo *insert RROD joke*... blarty blar... Microsoft is MicroSHAFT... blarty har har...

Sony is gawd... blarty blar har... LIVE is filled with newbs... blar blar...

cant we all just get along??
dprime's Avatar
dprime at 01/01/2009 21:34
Maybe if the PS3 stole the 360's gaming library everything would be fair.
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MotoRobo at 01/01/2009 21:43
hmmm
I shy away from books like that 'cause the ones I've tried write for n00bs, like you've never heard of a videogame before. But the story would explain how the PS3 has yet to show a persistent gulf between its' games and the 360's, like there was between the X-box and PS2. I'm still waiting for a game (Still Rain's more of a movie) that'll prove Sony's claims of processor superiority but by now favor the belief they were false boasts.
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-PL- at 01/01/2009 21:45
I guess microsoft forgot to steal the heatsink designs from the PS3.
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Tubatic at 01/01/2009 21:46
Weird, you'd think the blogosphere would have heard about that sort of thing by now.
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MrTaco at 01/01/2009 21:50
This just seems like fanboyism to new extremes...hah
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Nicholie at 01/01/2009 21:54
@Wedge

Troll. But in case you're being serious... the processor in the 360 is a triple core, making it impossible to be an old Mac processor. Now some of the tech that went into it may be IBM's PowerPC architecture (which would explain why its so easy to develop for) but hardly the old G5 models.
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Velt at 01/01/2009 21:59
and that my boy (*book closeing*), is how you make a perfect RRoD.
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atomicow at 01/01/2009 22:00
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atomicow at 01/01/2009 22:03
The 360 CPU is indeed based on the power of architecture, which is VASTLY different from Cell. Early 360 dev units were nothing more than powermac G5s.
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SnakeDude4Life at 01/01/2009 22:09
Snape kills Snake.

Kratos IS Keyser Söze.

Nariko has a dong.(Sleep Away Camp FTW)
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Joe Burling at 01/01/2009 22:18
So far, I haven't seen the PS3 or 360 play a game that looks significantly better than its competitor, but there is a very obvious difference between the specs of the 360's CPU and the Cell in the PS3. Despite this, the differences are much smaller than that of the original Xbox and the PS2 (in which case the Xbox > PS2 in terms of specs and capabilities).

What I'm trying to say is, Sony and MS took very different hardware approaches to achieve games that look more or less the exact same.
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Furyfire at 01/01/2009 22:37
Interesting anyways. Might have to read this book.. then wonder why we still have Red Rings. o_o
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Xhumation at 01/01/2009 23:58
Interesting. sounds like a good read.
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gamadaya at 01/02/2009 00:09
MS pwns hard when it comes to 2 things: buying people out, and stealing company secrets. That's why they are so successful. I find it funny though that Sony and MS spent so much time trying to get the upper hand over one another, but in the end Nintendo beat them hands down without even trying to be a direct competitor. Weird how things work that way.
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dprime at 01/02/2009 01:37
Last comment: Can you even name one subsidiary Microsoft obtained from a buy out? Do you know anything about business? Or is this just typical pop financial Microsoft hate?

People hate Microsoft for the same reason they hate the United States. They're number one.
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Beyerah at 01/02/2009 01:41
Big steaming pile.

http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/xbox360-2.ars/2
The first image shows the layout of the Xenon, Three PPC derived cores all lined up next to one another to do the grunt work.

http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/cell-2.ars
Again, the first image shows the layout of the Cell, One PPC derived core, controlling 8 Cell SPE's. The PPC is there to split up tasks, the SPEs Do the grunt work. Gives the ps3 immense floating point ability.

They are very different beasts.

The 6 week delay in sampling pushing sony back a full year? Steaming, again. MS sent out mac G5's as early devkits before they got their hands on xenon, Sony had to wait for cell before they could do the same. MS knew they needed a GPU from the start and ATi delivered their next gen (at the time) part for the 360 a year before they relased the same tech for the PC. Sony thought the cell would be powerful enough that they wouldn't need a GPU, when it became clear that it wasn't going to happen they had to tack an NVidia GPU into the PS3 halfway through development. There's your year long delay.
Developers have treated the ps3 and 360 the same, a cpu and a gpu, one crunches, one draws. And get very similar looking games.
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mistic at 01/02/2009 01:44
So in fact M$ are bigger pirates then us? ( I know they used to be, thanks to that movie "Pirates of Sylicon Valley" ) but that it still was this bad? no idea :-)

guess I'll go look for a pdf of this :-)
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pedrovay2003 at 01/02/2009 02:09
I love how all the 360 fanboys come out of the woodwork and bash the PS3's supposedly "bad" library when something negative is said about the 360.

At least we can play our games.
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garison at 01/02/2009 02:31
I might actually once again delve again into the world of paper books, since the internet, I haven't read one book. I know.
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Stephen57 at 01/02/2009 02:36
Haha, consoles. I ply my games on a gaming desktop powered by uranium and moonbeams.
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Wexx at 01/02/2009 04:02
Huh. I still think I'd rather read Raising the Bar.
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Druid 01 at 01/02/2009 05:44
lol @ corporations not patenting their tech securely enough, or properly protecting their IPs is always entertaining.
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Bans at 01/02/2009 06:06
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1043-5706658.html

It's based G5 CPU, how is it even accurate?
Demtor's Avatar
Demtor at 01/02/2009 09:01
I haven't the slightest clue how business operates on that level but I'd imagine Sony should have found a way to 'lock that shit down,' as they say. Microsoft is just doing what good competitors do in a free market. Probably not very ethical, but since when has that ever bothered them?
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parrothead at 01/02/2009 10:08
Bill Gates stole and idea and made a bunch of money off of it. That has never happened before. Oh wait Steve Jobs just called me to tell me that I was wrong about that.
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John B at 01/02/2009 10:26
Actually, the guy who invented CP/M called back even earlier than Steve Jobs. IBM is also on hold with a similar claim that predates Apple. And so is Lotus, Borland, WordPerfect, WordStar...

Microsoft started to steal software l-o-n-g before Apple and is one of the primary reasons why the word "innovation" means jack shit any more.
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DarkSunDS at 01/02/2009 10:40
Bah, I'm tired of fanboy hate. To sum it up, Nintendo is for kids, Microsoft steals everything, Sony has no games.

Now can we be a bit more positive and consider that the Wii has good M-rated games like No More Heroes, that Microsoft has original content and good exclusive games, and that Sony is the most powerful console, a Blu-Ray player, and has LittleBigPlanet and Metal Gear Solid 4, as well as many non-exclusives like Rock Band and Grand Theft Auto 4?

But to remain on topic, it sucks for Sony. If they had launched the PS3 in 2005, I'm sure the console would have been a lot more successful.
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John B at 01/02/2009 10:54
can we be a bit more positive and consider that the Wii has good M-rated games like No More Heroes

That right there kills your wish. Positive statements about the Wii are not allowed on DToid. Don't you know that by now?

I'm not sure that it would have worked for Sony in 2005, though. There would have been even fewer HD TV owners than in 2006, and HD whether gaming or watching Blu-ray is really what pushes the PS3 over the PS2. The problem is that Sony pushed the PS3 as the perfect HD media solution while ignoring the fact that (A) they were just incredibly overpriced and (B) people need to add a minimum of $1,000 (back in 2005) to get a decent HD TV.

I understand where you're going with that, but honestly I don't think that it would have helped nearly as much as you think because of the additional expenditure to play the PS3 in full glory.
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Holyetheline at 01/02/2009 11:04
I'd read it if I had it.
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Primo at 01/02/2009 11:43
Whether any of it is true or not, I definitely want to read it.
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flabzilla at 01/02/2009 12:06
Remember the hype around the "Emotion Chip" lol.
I haven't seen anything special the PS3's Cell processor can achieve.

So far it seems it was all hype over nothing.
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dollrapist at 01/02/2009 12:40
The innards of my game systems could be cat gut, and I wouldn't blink an eye. It doesn't fucking matter, and I don't give a fuck. I play all systems and don't have any silly or immature fanboy cheer or defense for any of them.
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Corak at 01/02/2009 13:27
Bill Gates beating other companies to market since...umm...forever. Hate on the man all you like he's a marketing genius. He makes arguably inferior products/software but he knows how to market it well.
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Orionsaint at 01/02/2009 13:30
I always hoped that they'd release Tekken Dark Resurrection for Xbox Live. I wouldn't be surprised since Tekken 6 is coming to 360. After all, Soul Calibur 1 was released on XBL in honor of Soul Calibur IV coming to 360. It's also from NAMCO.
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brainderailment at 01/02/2009 14:05
This book isn't about Microsoft stealing Cell specs from sony as much as it's about IBM making processors for both companies and having an inner struggle to keep things separate.
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MrNiceguy at 01/02/2009 20:51
AYEEEE MATEY! LIVIN DA LIFE OF THE PIRATES~! THE GOLDEN AGE ISN'T OVER! PIRATES WILL LIVE ON FOREVERRRRR!
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downsouthhustla at 01/03/2009 15:45
dollrapist at 01/02/2009 12:40

"The innards of my game systems could be cat gut, and I wouldn't blink an eye. It doesn't fucking matter, and I don't give a fuck. I play all systems and don't have any silly or immature fanboy cheer or defense for any of them."

This gripes my balls equal to if not more than rampant fanboyism.
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