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I don't know what SOE is. If I had credit card information on my PSN account, would it also be accessible through SOE(assuming it wasn't already taken during the first attack on PSN)?
Wow. Just when the PSN crap settled down...
Sony, although I make jokes about you any chance I get, you're a respectful company. And by that, I mean you have some good version exclusives. Well, I think we all learned a lesson. I only like you for a few games, and you messed with hackers and now they're getting revenge! I feel bad for my friends with PS3's. I told them they got hacked and they were all "Well it's not like they're actually gonna get my credit."
I'm just laughing.
Sony, although I make jokes about you any chance I get, you're a respectful company. And by that, I mean you have some good version exclusives. Well, I think we all learned a lesson. I only like you for a few games, and you messed with hackers and now they're getting revenge! I feel bad for my friends with PS3's. I told them they got hacked and they were all "Well it's not like they're actually gonna get my credit."
I'm just laughing.
I'm waiting here for the Sony defense force to come flying to the rescue so that I can have something to laugh at.
The data is from 2007, which means most of the credit card numbers are expired, I would guess. At least, I know my cards have a shelf life of four years.
I can only assume that Sony is being targeted by some freedom fighting hackers who are doing all of this as champions of consumer rights.
I can only assume that Sony is being targeted by some freedom fighting hackers who are doing all of this as champions of consumer rights.
Probably an unrelated group/person to the PSN hack. Someone thinking "Since Sony cost cut on PSN security, I bet they did here". And they were right. Fan-freaking-tastic.
You get hacked and don't call for a security audit for all your public facing networks you own?
Sony you need to hire another company to run your networks, or get those auditors to go Sony wide.
Sony you need to hire another company to run your networks, or get those auditors to go Sony wide.
I still blame that lame "anonymous" terrorist group for both the psn and this new bs.
The group promised a huge attack on Sony but lost essentially all support when gamers didn't protest like they wanted them too, and even more upset that geolame settled with Sony , THEY were upset and rather than look even worse they gave up with no word of dropping the attack / failed protest .... Then suddenly the psn is hacked and peoples information is taken effecting both Sony and us a lot of time and money. They're getting even with us for not playing along . Now to pretend like they aren't criminals they're claiming their "new" focus is Iran I call bullshit. It's about time people started to realize these people are using their supporters as decoys so they can hack and attack anyone their intrests fit. Douchebags.
The group promised a huge attack on Sony but lost essentially all support when gamers didn't protest like they wanted them too, and even more upset that geolame settled with Sony , THEY were upset and rather than look even worse they gave up with no word of dropping the attack / failed protest .... Then suddenly the psn is hacked and peoples information is taken effecting both Sony and us a lot of time and money. They're getting even with us for not playing along . Now to pretend like they aren't criminals they're claiming their "new" focus is Iran I call bullshit. It's about time people started to realize these people are using their supporters as decoys so they can hack and attack anyone their intrests fit. Douchebags.
You really shouldn't title this article "New attack" if you don't know if it is a new attack or not.
@vexed alex
Are the Microsoft Militia and Nintendo Infantry who shit on these posts really any better?
Anyone know if there is anyway to know exactly which cards were associated with the PSN accounts? I'm pretty sure the only card I put on it I also deactivated, but I'd like to be sure.
Are the Microsoft Militia and Nintendo Infantry who shit on these posts really any better?
Anyone know if there is anyway to know exactly which cards were associated with the PSN accounts? I'm pretty sure the only card I put on it I also deactivated, but I'd like to be sure.
@the7k, I don't think you can check, your PSN account should say it. That would be impossible to check though since PSN is down.
Just check your card history every now and then, if you see something wrong, just tell your card company and you will work it out without a problem really.
Just check your card history every now and then, if you see something wrong, just tell your card company and you will work it out without a problem really.
@the7k, I don't think you can check, your PSN account should say it. That would be impossible to check though since PSN is down.
Just check your card history every now and then, if you see something wrong, just tell your card company and you will work it out without a problem really.
Just check your card history every now and then, if you see something wrong, just tell your card company and you will work it out without a problem really.
It sucks for the customers, they must be worried. I know my friend took no chances and cancelled his credit card after the psn hack.
@the7k
I think you can search your email for your last PSN purchase, and that the PSN blog had details of what to look for. SOE is supposedly a separate network from PSN, though.
Personally, I don't think I've ever played an SOE game, and all my credit cards have been issued within the last three years, regardless.
I think you can search your email for your last PSN purchase, and that the PSN blog had details of what to look for. SOE is supposedly a separate network from PSN, though.
Personally, I don't think I've ever played an SOE game, and all my credit cards have been issued within the last three years, regardless.
@pokota, wait a second! This hack only effected those who played SOE games?? Like DCUO and games like that?
I missed that part :D
I missed that part :D
You know, I'm just legitimately starting to feel sorry for Sony. They're trying so hard to fix the PSN fuckup, and then this happens. I may be a devout 360 owner, but I'm not so ignorantly blinded by fanboyism that I can't call utter bullshit on this. Sony doesn't deserve this and Sony's customers definitely don't deserve this.
People are raining down shit on Sony, they are obviously being targeted but I've never done anything on SOE, time to be more vigilant in checking those credit cards.
Yeah, this is for SOE accounts, and it looks like the credit cards and debit cards are all non-U.S. and from 2007. I suppose this is a good reason for expiration dates to exist, as this means the large majority of those cards will be worthless. Specifically, it looks like users from Germany, Austria, Netherlands and Spain are the ones at risk.
@KwikPwn and SmbzMan: Fucking A! :D
@Topic:
Wow, I don't even know what to say at this point. When a year ago, someone came up to me and told me that a major console developer gets hacked twice in a row I'd have guessed MS, just because of their history of Windows. But Sony, with their unhackable console. I'd have never thought about it. ^^
How quickly things can change.
@Topic:
Wow, I don't even know what to say at this point. When a year ago, someone came up to me and told me that a major console developer gets hacked twice in a row I'd have guessed MS, just because of their history of Windows. But Sony, with their unhackable console. I'd have never thought about it. ^^
How quickly things can change.
the fact that im seeing anyone laughing at this fucking disgusts me. seriously, youre laughing that people are losing their credit card info? this is the type of shit that we need to be putting a stop to. but some of you are like "lolgetwhatyoupayfor"
fuck off. its bad enough that someones personal info could be compromised, the last thing they need are fanboys on their asses.
this couldve happened to xbl or nintendo wfc if the hackers had any desire to hack those services.
so to everyone laughing, fuck off
fuck off. its bad enough that someones personal info could be compromised, the last thing they need are fanboys on their asses.
this couldve happened to xbl or nintendo wfc if the hackers had any desire to hack those services.
so to everyone laughing, fuck off
This is actually quite funny. Just as Sony thought i was safe to go outside BLAM! another attack. I literally laughed which is odd since I've been crying single tears for every day PSN has been down, helped me finish my Uni coursework tho!
The internet in general has an interesting attitude about cybercrime, I've noticed. It's kind of interesting. A physical establishment gets broken into, then everyone curses the thieves. An online establishment gets broken into, then a good amount of people blame the establishment itself. There is no way to filter out fanboy reaction from either side, of course, and some of those are the most vocal, but the media mostly seems to fall into the "blame the establishment" sector, which will influence a lot of people. This also can be considered a partially tainted response, of course, since sensationalism sells.
I think part of it is that, while anyone can understand locks and doors, few people understand internet security. A surprising number of people think of it as some kind of magic, where proper usage will erase all possibility of risk. Unlike doors, which we know can be kicked in, it's hard to visualize anything virtual as having the same kind of inherent vulnerabilities.
There is no such thing as flawless security in a large network, with a large number of employees. There are methods that are better than others, of course. However, when an online establishment is broken into, many people assume automatically that poor security was used, without ever waiting for the details, or without comparing that security to internet standards. In short, the act of being victimized is considered proof of negligence. I guess a real world analogy would be to assume a female who has been sexually assaulted "brought it on herself".
It's an interesting phenomenon to watch.
I think part of it is that, while anyone can understand locks and doors, few people understand internet security. A surprising number of people think of it as some kind of magic, where proper usage will erase all possibility of risk. Unlike doors, which we know can be kicked in, it's hard to visualize anything virtual as having the same kind of inherent vulnerabilities.
There is no such thing as flawless security in a large network, with a large number of employees. There are methods that are better than others, of course. However, when an online establishment is broken into, many people assume automatically that poor security was used, without ever waiting for the details, or without comparing that security to internet standards. In short, the act of being victimized is considered proof of negligence. I guess a real world analogy would be to assume a female who has been sexually assaulted "brought it on herself".
It's an interesting phenomenon to watch.
Note: This wasn't a second attack.
Looks like our digital trespassers got a hold of some legacy data.
According to the full presser, this was all a part of the original April hack.
This makes me think the operation was much bigger than we thought.
Looks like our digital trespassers got a hold of some legacy data.
According to the full presser, this was all a part of the original April hack.
This makes me think the operation was much bigger than we thought.
I'd like to see some laws and legislation come out of this to the tune of making it so that whenever a user removes data on their end it is then cleared from the service/company's end as well. But that would make too much fucking sense I guess.
@pokota
C'mon. You can't really make that analogy. People are angry with Sony because people trusted Sony with their personal information, and got hacked. So of course people aren't going to care as much and blame the owners of a physical establishment, though if that establishment held very important information of theirs, you can bet people would also be blaming the owners as well as the thieves.
C'mon. You can't really make that analogy. People are angry with Sony because people trusted Sony with their personal information, and got hacked. So of course people aren't going to care as much and blame the owners of a physical establishment, though if that establishment held very important information of theirs, you can bet people would also be blaming the owners as well as the thieves.
@pokota: Good point. I just quote Mel Gibson: "You look like a f***ing pig in heat, and if you get raped by a pack of n***ers, it will be your fault."
Now the depressing thing is. The statement of Gibson is bullshit, pretty much everyone agrees here. When someone breaks into a museum no one would blame the museum. But in the digital world everything works a little different. Then the victim is the bad guy. Yeah, it's really weird. Some psychiatrists should analyze the shit out of this. I really wonder what's the cause of such a brain dysfunction. Can we blame it on VIDEO GAMES??
Now the depressing thing is. The statement of Gibson is bullshit, pretty much everyone agrees here. When someone breaks into a museum no one would blame the museum. But in the digital world everything works a little different. Then the victim is the bad guy. Yeah, it's really weird. Some psychiatrists should analyze the shit out of this. I really wonder what's the cause of such a brain dysfunction. Can we blame it on VIDEO GAMES??
So THIS is what B Gates has been up to, tip-tip-tapping awaying in his basement, orchestrating a massive attack on the competition. It's no coincedence that the attack began ON HIS BIRTHDAY?!
@Enzi
I'm sure anyone who loaned art to the museum for public display would blame the museum for their lack of security if anything they trusted them with was stolen.
I'm sure anyone who loaned art to the museum for public display would blame the museum for their lack of security if anything they trusted them with was stolen.
@Pentagram
I was not laughing at this mess, I was laughing at the ignorance of my friends as I was the only one who knew and I warned them. Those fools believed that it was not going to affect them because they were "untouchable".
Anyways, I laugh with a sarcastic tone to all this. My friends are good guys, but not when it comes to games. One bought a PS3 because it's less violent. Hmm.. that's right, taking away Halo really brings down the rating.
Anyway, enough ranting. I feel genuinely sorry for all those affected. Sony...just fix this.
I was not laughing at this mess, I was laughing at the ignorance of my friends as I was the only one who knew and I warned them. Those fools believed that it was not going to affect them because they were "untouchable".
Anyways, I laugh with a sarcastic tone to all this. My friends are good guys, but not when it comes to games. One bought a PS3 because it's less violent. Hmm.. that's right, taking away Halo really brings down the rating.
Anyway, enough ranting. I feel genuinely sorry for all those affected. Sony...just fix this.
@KwikPwn: But how do you prepare against Ocean's 11?
Honestly, I don't know. Maybe a museum was a really bad example.
Honestly, I don't know. Maybe a museum was a really bad example.
@ Pokota
Poeple would blame the 'physical establishment' if it were a bank that didn't lock the back door however and that's the issue most critics are, well, critical of. Regardless, it's the f-king low-life thieves/delusional 'freedom fighters' who are ultimately responsible.
As for those who say that Sony deserves this because Sony brought it upon themselves by 'challenging' the hacks, that's cowardly reasoning. If I can burden this discussion with yet another analogy... If I tell a bunch of hoodlums to quit snooping about my house and peering in my windows it doesn't make me responsible by 'targeting' myself.
This Sony situation is the result of two things. 1) Sony could have (should have) been more vigilant and 2) people shouldn't steal other people's stuff.
Poeple would blame the 'physical establishment' if it were a bank that didn't lock the back door however and that's the issue most critics are, well, critical of. Regardless, it's the f-king low-life thieves/delusional 'freedom fighters' who are ultimately responsible.
As for those who say that Sony deserves this because Sony brought it upon themselves by 'challenging' the hacks, that's cowardly reasoning. If I can burden this discussion with yet another analogy... If I tell a bunch of hoodlums to quit snooping about my house and peering in my windows it doesn't make me responsible by 'targeting' myself.
This Sony situation is the result of two things. 1) Sony could have (should have) been more vigilant and 2) people shouldn't steal other people's stuff.
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