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I'll be watching, Microsoft. Please don't make fools out of yourselves. As long as Fable 3 motion controls are optional, it's going to take some pretty impressive games to get me on board with that thing.
I want NATAL to be interesting...but I just don't see it. I don't think the tech with be precise enough and I suspect it'll be too laggy for certain game types and just plain awkward for others.
Rare has defined very little since the N64 days i don't see why that will change now. No doubt that Natal is a fine piece of equipment. The doubt comes in from if Microsoft can apply it to games on their own. This is the 1st major product they have tried selling with out a halo around it no gears either. I still think Sony has the most practical approach to motion controls and my money is on Sony lasting the longest.
Well it's already better than wii-hd I mean the move just because of the control scheme. I agree though they have to have a stand out title. Not like Socom something good.
I'm on the fence here, on one side they could actually do something cool and innovative, on the other side they could just do like the Move and simply go "HD-ing Wii games" at a high price point, time will tell.
I'm more thinking that 'Natal will be defined by its first party-games' is a more appropriate sentence.
Wii Sports was a pretty good pack in, Natal will need something on par. A fall back game that will make buying Natal worth it.
Wii Sports was a pretty good pack in, Natal will need something on par. A fall back game that will make buying Natal worth it.
@ brlito
yeah seriously,that statement would have made me feel better if they didn't trash so many of their first party studios a while ago.
yeah seriously,that statement would have made me feel better if they didn't trash so many of their first party studios a while ago.
Quite simply there's a lot of marketing going on here and not much else. Natal will sell a million or two before Christmas and then what? There won't be much content after the money bombs stop dropping, and there really won't be much of an install base to sell to.
If Rare do something exciting then I'm in. People seem to think they've lost it but I think the games they've done recently, Kameo, Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts, Viva Piņata, are some of the best they've ever done.
I even like Perfect Dark Zero.
Might just not watch could get expensive.
I even like Perfect Dark Zero.
Might just not watch could get expensive.
I like how everyone is judging a piece of hardware they know absolutely nothing about. Then again, that's how the internet usually functions.
@RenegadePanda
It's a stupid idea. I don't have to stick my cock in a meat grinder to know it's a bad idea. I don't have to try to play Fable 3 on it to know it won't add anything to the game. No matter how much Microsoft tries to hype up Natal, it is still a glorified webcam game.
It's a stupid idea. I don't have to stick my cock in a meat grinder to know it's a bad idea. I don't have to try to play Fable 3 on it to know it won't add anything to the game. No matter how much Microsoft tries to hype up Natal, it is still a glorified webcam game.
I don't really expect the Move to do any better, honestly. At least they have the gloriousness of Kevin Butler on their side though.
I have absolutely no interest in this whatsoever.......kinda like the sony move, I feel the need to have something tangible to operate like a wiimote or the move wand......really wish microsoft would work on a portable xbox.
@Renagade
Normally I'd completely agree with you. My major problem with Natal is that it's actually based on tried-but-failed hardware. Sony tried this with the EyeToy on the PS2. Hell, they tried it with the PS EYE this generation, and it didn't work.
Also, if it's Peter Molyneux pushing it, you kind of have to lower your expectations about what he's saying. I wish that weren't true, but history repeats itself. I won't write Natal off completely, but I'm going in as a major skeptic.
Normally I'd completely agree with you. My major problem with Natal is that it's actually based on tried-but-failed hardware. Sony tried this with the EyeToy on the PS2. Hell, they tried it with the PS EYE this generation, and it didn't work.
Also, if it's Peter Molyneux pushing it, you kind of have to lower your expectations about what he's saying. I wish that weren't true, but history repeats itself. I won't write Natal off completely, but I'm going in as a major skeptic.
Whiny bitching.....yep, must be at Destructoid.
"I dont think Natal will work" "its just an eyetoy" "I want buttons!"
Superior trolling from people who have no idea what this technology can do.
"I dont think Natal will work" "its just an eyetoy" "I want buttons!"
Superior trolling from people who have no idea what this technology can do.
"Natal will be defined by it's 1st party titles"
The same could be said of Move.
The best thing Microsoft can do is play to their strenghts; whatever those are. :P
The same could be said of Move.
The best thing Microsoft can do is play to their strenghts; whatever those are. :P
I read this as Microsoft conceding they don't have any 3rd party killer apps to present. Move may benefit from being seen as a viable option for Wii/PS3 cross platform 3rd party development development, but I can count the 3rd party killer app Wii titles on one hand.
In conclusion, motion control is dumb.
In conclusion, motion control is dumb.
@pedrovay; The power glove was motion control before it was ready. Just because something failed in the past doesn't mean it's not a good idea - just it wasn't done right.
Having said that, you have a point with Peter Molyneux.
Having said that, you have a point with Peter Molyneux.
if it gets a DDR clone without an obnoxious mat, natal should be a decent hit. one way ms could mess up is have a lot of mixed controller+motion games... though mo-cap teabagging in halo would own me
I'll say the samething I've been saying for almost a year now: I'm going to wait till I see it before I start forming an opinion.
I think the real challenge will be to define Natal as something more interesting than the Nintendo 3DS thingy. Nothing would be worse for Microsoft than being overshadowed by a handheld.
If I remember correctly, Bungie is no longer first party, nor does Halo Reach incorperate Natal. Now Microsoft is clearly intelligent enough to notice that the Wii is defined by it's first party games, but to be frank, Nintendo is a better first party than Microsoft. Sony may be stupid, but Microsoft is smart.
I agree with Nevi, Microsoft probably doesn't have any 3rd party killer apps, which it is downplaying in advance by saying Natal will be defined by first party games. The company is doing what it's good at; marketting.
I can't wait for E3. Microsoft's Natal, Sony's Move, the new 3DS from Nintendo, and maybe even Sony's response to Nintendo's new handheld. It promises to be the best E3 in years. And the winner will be whoever sells the most of their E3 showings by the next E3.
If I remember correctly, Bungie is no longer first party, nor does Halo Reach incorperate Natal. Now Microsoft is clearly intelligent enough to notice that the Wii is defined by it's first party games, but to be frank, Nintendo is a better first party than Microsoft. Sony may be stupid, but Microsoft is smart.
I agree with Nevi, Microsoft probably doesn't have any 3rd party killer apps, which it is downplaying in advance by saying Natal will be defined by first party games. The company is doing what it's good at; marketting.
I can't wait for E3. Microsoft's Natal, Sony's Move, the new 3DS from Nintendo, and maybe even Sony's response to Nintendo's new handheld. It promises to be the best E3 in years. And the winner will be whoever sells the most of their E3 showings by the next E3.
@ Electrium - You can always hazard a guess as to why you haven't seen it yet.
Why hasn't Natal been demoed by gamers (not journalists or celebrities, but unpaid gamers)? How has Microsoft been testing consumer reaction if the only people with hands-on time are professionals rather than consumers? (an entertainer is a professional at public relations, and a gaming journalist is a professional journalist. Neither are good indicators of consumer reaction to your product.) What is the reaction non-gamers have to Natal? These are the kinds of things Microsoft should be testing right now.
Why hasn't Natal been demoed by gamers (not journalists or celebrities, but unpaid gamers)? How has Microsoft been testing consumer reaction if the only people with hands-on time are professionals rather than consumers? (an entertainer is a professional at public relations, and a gaming journalist is a professional journalist. Neither are good indicators of consumer reaction to your product.) What is the reaction non-gamers have to Natal? These are the kinds of things Microsoft should be testing right now.
@ Hcapt - All those questions you asked are reasons why I don't want to form an opinion at this point >_>. There's so much we don't know about it that I don't think it's fair to right it off as either amazing or fail.
Personally, I think they're trying to keep quiet on Natal because they don't want us to have second thoughts about buying it. They want to build a mega hype storm at E3, and then hold our interest in a chokehold until release. If they give us all the details and time to think about the product, then people will probably lose interest and/or start to doubt the product. Microsoft definitely knows what they're doing...I mean, look at the reaction to the Playstation Move. When we see Move at E3, I bet a lot of people will be shitting their pants at how cool it is. But right now, it's REALLY easy for the gaming community to say it's just a cheap replica of the Wii Remote, because everything they've told us makes it sound that way.
Personally, I think they're trying to keep quiet on Natal because they don't want us to have second thoughts about buying it. They want to build a mega hype storm at E3, and then hold our interest in a chokehold until release. If they give us all the details and time to think about the product, then people will probably lose interest and/or start to doubt the product. Microsoft definitely knows what they're doing...I mean, look at the reaction to the Playstation Move. When we see Move at E3, I bet a lot of people will be shitting their pants at how cool it is. But right now, it's REALLY easy for the gaming community to say it's just a cheap replica of the Wii Remote, because everything they've told us makes it sound that way.
I agree the reason they haven't showed us very much is because they don't want to play their cards too early. These guys are playing some real high stakes poker. If they play their hand too soon, the competition can react, and public buzz can fizzle out. You don't want that. It's smart strategy to wait as long as possible, build hype, and then wow people with a short time to think about other options. E3 gives people a short 3-5 month window (assuming the products launch that year) to keep the hype strong.
It's also silly to question them. We know nothing. Just like we did about the Wii several years ago, and then Nintendo came out and wowed everybody and now here we are today. MS and Sony both want to do that. We don't even know what kinds of games are coming out. Rare has been very quiet. PD xbla was passed off to a different studio, 4J, while Rare has toiled away at something.
E3 should be interesting. It could be pretty awesome, or it could be a huge flop if MS and Sony fall flat.
It's also silly to question them. We know nothing. Just like we did about the Wii several years ago, and then Nintendo came out and wowed everybody and now here we are today. MS and Sony both want to do that. We don't even know what kinds of games are coming out. Rare has been very quiet. PD xbla was passed off to a different studio, 4J, while Rare has toiled away at something.
E3 should be interesting. It could be pretty awesome, or it could be a huge flop if MS and Sony fall flat.
I don't question Natal so much as I question the hype.
We know Natal is very much like an eye toy, and that the eye toy wasn't very impressive. We know nothing much other than that. So they hype grates me a little. I don't see anything exciting, or even newsworthy about Natal yet.
We know Natal is very much like an eye toy, and that the eye toy wasn't very impressive. We know nothing much other than that. So they hype grates me a little. I don't see anything exciting, or even newsworthy about Natal yet.
It's to bad that Microsoft only relies on 3rd party developers that they have bought out or paid them off to make games for them.
Microsoft needs to make a Nintendo game and they are logically relying on the guys that have spent the most time with Nintendo to make Natal great, but the Problem is that the Creators of RARE have long gone left after joining up with Microsoft and now RARE lack the vision to really make a games like they use to.
Microsoft is incapable of making a game that would out do Nintendo.
Microsoft needs to make a Nintendo game and they are logically relying on the guys that have spent the most time with Nintendo to make Natal great, but the Problem is that the Creators of RARE have long gone left after joining up with Microsoft and now RARE lack the vision to really make a games like they use to.
Microsoft is incapable of making a game that would out do Nintendo.
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