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Natal will be defined by its first-party games photo

When the Wii first launched Nintendo made the brilliant decision to bundle the system with Wii Sports, thus giving every person who bought it a high quality tech demo of what the system can do, and subsequently defining the use of the technology. It appears Microsoft will be attempting to take somewhat of the same approach with Natal, as Rare's studio head, Mark Betteridge, says that first-party launch games will define the Natal experience.

“I suppose at Microsoft it’s about, overall, having the right content from first-party studios to define what Natal is,” he told Develop in an interview.

“We’re very confident we do have that, we will have that, and I think people are going to be impressed with what they see from ourselves and [other] first-parties,” he said.

The Natal launch line-up hasn't been announced yet, but that will most likely be done at one of Microsoft's two E3 press conference. For now it seems that the company really wants to come out of the gate flying with their first parties showing everyone how it is done.

Rare: We will define the Natal experience [Develop, via That VideoGame Blog]








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HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 10:19
HEL105
I'll be watching, Microsoft. Please don't make fools out of yourselves. As long as Fable 3 motion controls are optional, it's going to take some pretty impressive games to get me on board with that thing.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 10:25
Dv8thwonder
Don't pull a Sony! Do something different please!
Drakengard's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 10:35
Drakengard
I want NATAL to be interesting...but I just don't see it. I don't think the tech with be precise enough and I suspect it'll be too laggy for certain game types and just plain awkward for others.
George Eric Oliver's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 10:58
George Eric Oliver
Rare has defined very little since the N64 days i don't see why that will change now. No doubt that Natal is a fine piece of equipment. The doubt comes in from if Microsoft can apply it to games on their own. This is the 1st major product they have tried selling with out a halo around it no gears either. I still think Sony has the most practical approach to motion controls and my money is on Sony lasting the longest.
superjay779's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 11:00
superjay779
Well it's already better than wii-hd I mean the move just because of the control scheme. I agree though they have to have a stand out title. Not like Socom something good.
EdgyDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 11:03
EdgyDude
I'm on the fence here, on one side they could actually do something cool and innovative, on the other side they could just do like the Move and simply go "HD-ing Wii games" at a high price point, time will tell.
Brian Slaughter's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 11:03
Brian Slaughter
Buttons.
Airbr1dge's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 11:08
Airbr1dge
Wii.
deanbmmv's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 11:09
deanbmmv
I'm more thinking that 'Natal will be defined by its first party-games' is a more appropriate sentence.
Wii Sports was a pretty good pack in, Natal will need something on par. A fall back game that will make buying Natal worth it.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 11:21
Occams electric toothbrush
Patiently waiting for something to show me why I should take interest in this.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 11:38
Black Nexus
@ brlito
yeah seriously,that statement would have made me feel better if they didn't trash so many of their first party studios a while ago.
vApathyv's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 11:38
vApathyv
@Occams:

It talks to you with the voice of HAL. Interested now?





(Disclaimer: Not really.)
the2bears's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 11:40
the2bears
Quite simply there's a lot of marketing going on here and not much else. Natal will sell a million or two before Christmas and then what? There won't be much content after the money bombs stop dropping, and there really won't be much of an install base to sell to.
Richie the Sign Painter's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 11:41
Richie the Sign Painter
If Rare do something exciting then I'm in. People seem to think they've lost it but I think the games they've done recently, Kameo, Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts, Viva Piñata, are some of the best they've ever done.
I even like Perfect Dark Zero.
Might just not watch could get expensive.
rel123's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 11:54
rel123
It is just going to be an EyeToy knockoff. Watch and see, friends. Prepare for disappointment.
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 12:19
RenegadePanda
I like how everyone is judging a piece of hardware they know absolutely nothing about. Then again, that's how the internet usually functions.
rel123's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 12:27
rel123
@RenegadePanda
It's a stupid idea. I don't have to stick my cock in a meat grinder to know it's a bad idea. I don't have to try to play Fable 3 on it to know it won't add anything to the game. No matter how much Microsoft tries to hype up Natal, it is still a glorified webcam game.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 12:31
Dv8thwonder
@Patriot Snake Glass house.
ybfelix's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 12:34
ybfelix
You've seen a meatgrinder in action but not natal
vApathyv's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 12:36
vApathyv
I don't really expect the Move to do any better, honestly. At least they have the gloriousness of Kevin Butler on their side though.
JQM78's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 12:42
JQM78
I have absolutely no interest in this whatsoever.......kinda like the sony move, I feel the need to have something tangible to operate like a wiimote or the move wand......really wish microsoft would work on a portable xbox.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 13:09
pedrovay2003
@Renagade

Normally I'd completely agree with you. My major problem with Natal is that it's actually based on tried-but-failed hardware. Sony tried this with the EyeToy on the PS2. Hell, they tried it with the PS EYE this generation, and it didn't work.

Also, if it's Peter Molyneux pushing it, you kind of have to lower your expectations about what he's saying. I wish that weren't true, but history repeats itself. I won't write Natal off completely, but I'm going in as a major skeptic.
Aara123's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 13:17
Aara123
Hey, I love the Simpsons.......yes, I do know it's originally from Winston Churchill
nanowerx's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 13:17
nanowerx
Whiny bitching.....yep, must be at Destructoid.

"I dont think Natal will work" "its just an eyetoy" "I want buttons!"

Superior trolling from people who have no idea what this technology can do.
superjay779's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 13:39
superjay779
Damn trolls I thought I sprayed this article with troll repelent. Better get my money back.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 13:40
Dv8thwonder
"Natal will be defined by it's 1st party titles"

The same could be said of Move.

The best thing Microsoft can do is play to their strenghts; whatever those are. :P
Nevi's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 13:48
Nevi
I read this as Microsoft conceding they don't have any 3rd party killer apps to present. Move may benefit from being seen as a viable option for Wii/PS3 cross platform 3rd party development development, but I can count the 3rd party killer app Wii titles on one hand.

In conclusion, motion control is dumb.
PhazonYoshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 13:49
PhazonYoshi
@pedrovay; The power glove was motion control before it was ready. Just because something failed in the past doesn't mean it's not a good idea - just it wasn't done right.

Having said that, you have a point with Peter Molyneux.
PvPPY's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 14:10
PvPPY
if it gets a DDR clone without an obnoxious mat, natal should be a decent hit. one way ms could mess up is have a lot of mixed controller+motion games... though mo-cap teabagging in halo would own me
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 14:22
Electrium
I'll say the samething I've been saying for almost a year now: I'm going to wait till I see it before I start forming an opinion.
Hcapt's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 14:39
Hcapt
I think the real challenge will be to define Natal as something more interesting than the Nintendo 3DS thingy. Nothing would be worse for Microsoft than being overshadowed by a handheld.

If I remember correctly, Bungie is no longer first party, nor does Halo Reach incorperate Natal. Now Microsoft is clearly intelligent enough to notice that the Wii is defined by it's first party games, but to be frank, Nintendo is a better first party than Microsoft. Sony may be stupid, but Microsoft is smart.

I agree with Nevi, Microsoft probably doesn't have any 3rd party killer apps, which it is downplaying in advance by saying Natal will be defined by first party games. The company is doing what it's good at; marketting.

I can't wait for E3. Microsoft's Natal, Sony's Move, the new 3DS from Nintendo, and maybe even Sony's response to Nintendo's new handheld. It promises to be the best E3 in years. And the winner will be whoever sells the most of their E3 showings by the next E3.
Hcapt's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 14:45
Hcapt
@ Electrium - You can always hazard a guess as to why you haven't seen it yet.

Why hasn't Natal been demoed by gamers (not journalists or celebrities, but unpaid gamers)? How has Microsoft been testing consumer reaction if the only people with hands-on time are professionals rather than consumers? (an entertainer is a professional at public relations, and a gaming journalist is a professional journalist. Neither are good indicators of consumer reaction to your product.) What is the reaction non-gamers have to Natal? These are the kinds of things Microsoft should be testing right now.
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 15:43
Electrium
@ Hcapt - All those questions you asked are reasons why I don't want to form an opinion at this point >_>. There's so much we don't know about it that I don't think it's fair to right it off as either amazing or fail.

Personally, I think they're trying to keep quiet on Natal because they don't want us to have second thoughts about buying it. They want to build a mega hype storm at E3, and then hold our interest in a chokehold until release. If they give us all the details and time to think about the product, then people will probably lose interest and/or start to doubt the product. Microsoft definitely knows what they're doing...I mean, look at the reaction to the Playstation Move. When we see Move at E3, I bet a lot of people will be shitting their pants at how cool it is. But right now, it's REALLY easy for the gaming community to say it's just a cheap replica of the Wii Remote, because everything they've told us makes it sound that way.
Jay Me's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 17:54
Jay Me
Natal halted development on the ZuneX. I hope it was worth it.
Outrider42's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 18:12
Outrider42
I agree the reason they haven't showed us very much is because they don't want to play their cards too early. These guys are playing some real high stakes poker. If they play their hand too soon, the competition can react, and public buzz can fizzle out. You don't want that. It's smart strategy to wait as long as possible, build hype, and then wow people with a short time to think about other options. E3 gives people a short 3-5 month window (assuming the products launch that year) to keep the hype strong.

It's also silly to question them. We know nothing. Just like we did about the Wii several years ago, and then Nintendo came out and wowed everybody and now here we are today. MS and Sony both want to do that. We don't even know what kinds of games are coming out. Rare has been very quiet. PD xbla was passed off to a different studio, 4J, while Rare has toiled away at something.

E3 should be interesting. It could be pretty awesome, or it could be a huge flop if MS and Sony fall flat.
Crunshii's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 18:28
Crunshii
Covah said it best....
SithZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 19:23
SithZombie
Patriot snake is dumb
Hcapt's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 19:52
Hcapt
I don't question Natal so much as I question the hype.

We know Natal is very much like an eye toy, and that the eye toy wasn't very impressive. We know nothing much other than that. So they hype grates me a little. I don't see anything exciting, or even newsworthy about Natal yet.
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 20:36
Retrofraction
It's to bad that Microsoft only relies on 3rd party developers that they have bought out or paid them off to make games for them.

Microsoft needs to make a Nintendo game and they are logically relying on the guys that have spent the most time with Nintendo to make Natal great, but the Problem is that the Creators of RARE have long gone left after joining up with Microsoft and now RARE lack the vision to really make a games like they use to.

Microsoft is incapable of making a game that would out do Nintendo.
RedCricketChase's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2010 21:16
RedCricketChase
Destructoid: Because www.giantbomb.com 's "Quick Look"s don't exist. lol
matrixdude171's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 02:13
matrixdude171
So more pew pew pew? Ball catching?
JoeSetsFire's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/30/2010 03:35
JoeSetsFire
So they have pretty much said....er...nothing.

Well done Microsoft. Please, just show me something good.
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