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I won't be buying this until they bundle Championship/Dimensions DX in the future. I want LSD, not stupid crack.
This single save slot shit needs to stop right now. Who do these companies think they're kidding here? It's obviously a move against used sales and is anti-consumer.
I think there's truth in that it doesn't matter much for a game like this, where the only point is an arcade-style high score ladder. Getting the game used and having the previous owner's high scores un-erasable is like going to the arcade and seeing the high scores of previous players. You can't erase the cabinet's memory.
That being said, this is still a HUGE ISSUE because regardless of the specific kind of game, we're still talking about a slippery slope. If enough people buy this game because the save mechanism doesn't ruin it, developers will think they can get away with adding it to more kinds of games, like the Resident Evil game. Have integrity and just say 'No' to this practice altogether, even if it means missing out on Pac-Man.
That being said, this is still a HUGE ISSUE because regardless of the specific kind of game, we're still talking about a slippery slope. If enough people buy this game because the save mechanism doesn't ruin it, developers will think they can get away with adding it to more kinds of games, like the Resident Evil game. Have integrity and just say 'No' to this practice altogether, even if it means missing out on Pac-Man.
I don't want good high scores, I want my high scores. But I also want to not pay $40 for Galaga, so I guess it won't be a problem for me either way.
Well I do see the issue, but honestly it can only effect the 3ds since it is the only cart based system. I don't see this being able to spread to consoles. Other than downloadable games of course which you can't sell anyway.
@Janklogs
Oh fuck off. Just because they didn't greenlight a MM project, doesn't mean Capcom killed the 3DS.
Seriously, don't be so obtuse about it.
Oh fuck off. Just because they didn't greenlight a MM project, doesn't mean Capcom killed the 3DS.
Seriously, don't be so obtuse about it.
I agree with a good deal of what flintcsci said. I really don't think it matters at all in a title like this, where the only thing that seems to be saved are high scores. I think some of you are blowing this out of proportion.
@Janklogs:
What the hell is up with this Crapcom thing? Fuck, if I was worked at Capcom and all our 'fans' called us stupid bullshit like that, I would cancel MML3 too. Capcom doesn't owe you shit and is actually a really great company, so you can fuck off.
/rant
What the hell is up with this Crapcom thing? Fuck, if I was worked at Capcom and all our 'fans' called us stupid bullshit like that, I would cancel MML3 too. Capcom doesn't owe you shit and is actually a really great company, so you can fuck off.
/rant
To be fair, I believe there were at least 3 other 3DS games that had un-eraseable save slots before Mercenaries did. (Monkey Ball 3D, Pro Evo 3D, and BlazBlue II.)
...I wonder if it's a limitation of the cart itself. Street Fighter lets me reset my data, but it also saves data to the SD card. So I'm wondering if any game that saves to the cart and not to the actual system is going to have this same problem.
...I wonder if it's a limitation of the cart itself. Street Fighter lets me reset my data, but it also saves data to the SD card. So I'm wondering if any game that saves to the cart and not to the actual system is going to have this same problem.
What happens when you have two (or more) people living in the same house who exchange games? Or friends who don't live together but exchange games? I get that a developer/publisher would want each person to buy their own game to make more on sales, but this sort of scenario has been going on since games first hit the scene. Hell, in some cases, the constant trading back and forth might entice the person who doesn't own the game to go out and buy it. It happened to me many times during the NES/SNES era.
And saying that they are limited by the system or cartridge is bull. The original Zelda had 3 save slots. If an old school NES game can have multiple saves, I would think a 3DS cartridge could have at least that many.
And saying that they are limited by the system or cartridge is bull. The original Zelda had 3 save slots. If an old school NES game can have multiple saves, I would think a 3DS cartridge could have at least that many.
I was wondering, if "jailbreaking" your device is legit; because its your own hardware and you have every right to do whatever you please with it.
Then doesn't this saving method "restrict" users from doing whatever they want with their games ? "like erasing their own data" ?
I know that its not bad as it seems since its an arcade game but, somewhat it feels like drinking from the same unwashed cup of someone you don't even know.
Then doesn't this saving method "restrict" users from doing whatever they want with their games ? "like erasing their own data" ?
I know that its not bad as it seems since its an arcade game but, somewhat it feels like drinking from the same unwashed cup of someone you don't even know.
"Crapcom has killed the 3DS. :'("
Capcom wasn't even the first company to do this, as Super Monkey Ball 3D, Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 and BlazBlue: Continuum Shift 2 also had save data that cannot be erased. Two of which where launch games, so maybe some people should get their facts straight, because yes Capcom got caught and taken to task over it. But they weren't the first to do it and its certainly not going to kill the 3DS, because its not mandatory. Nintendo is not making these 3rd Party's do this. They're all doing it, on they're own!
Capcom wasn't even the first company to do this, as Super Monkey Ball 3D, Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 and BlazBlue: Continuum Shift 2 also had save data that cannot be erased. Two of which where launch games, so maybe some people should get their facts straight, because yes Capcom got caught and taken to task over it. But they weren't the first to do it and its certainly not going to kill the 3DS, because its not mandatory. Nintendo is not making these 3rd Party's do this. They're all doing it, on they're own!
@LK4O4: I was wondering the same thing myself. I'm really curious about how it all works. I know 3DS carts != DS carts, but it seems so strange when DS games allowed you to reset save data,
You guys keep defending this bullshit, but imagine if every game was like this. What if you went and purchased a used copy of Ocarina of Time and the game had already been completed in every save slot, and you couldn't delete the data?
Or what if we couldnt reset our Pokemon carts?
This is clearly a battle against used game sales and its just unacceptable. Publishers need to get over themselves. If a game is good enough, it won't get resold anyway.
Or what if we couldnt reset our Pokemon carts?
This is clearly a battle against used game sales and its just unacceptable. Publishers need to get over themselves. If a game is good enough, it won't get resold anyway.
These games are more fun on XBLA anyway. These assholes are just taking advantage of the fact that the games are still cartridge-based, to try and avoid used sales. I'd guess there's a little bit of "out of spite" mixed into that justification, albeit misplaced.
Jim, this isn't the first game to "copy Capcom's controversial single-save scheme" because Capcom didn't originate the practice. Capcom just did what some other companies were already doing.
Not that we should need to buy extra stuff, but this has been confirmed to be able to get around the Mercenaries thing, and be able to backup any DS or 3DS saves:
www.hkems.com/product/nintendo/0907.htm
Kiss my ass, gaming companies. You guys are ruining your own damn industry. You want my money, the same money that KEEPS YOU IN BUSINESS? I'll erase whatever damn saves I please.
www.hkems.com/product/nintendo/0907.htm
Kiss my ass, gaming companies. You guys are ruining your own damn industry. You want my money, the same money that KEEPS YOU IN BUSINESS? I'll erase whatever damn saves I please.
A few of my local EB Game stores have signs up behind the counter that lists what games have Online Passes, terrible DRM and, more recently, only one save slot. Whenever someone comes to the desk with a game that has one of those features, they talk them out of buying it. James, a friend at a local store, has said he talked over a dozen people out of buying Mercenaries 3D altogether!
The people are finally fighting back!
The people are finally fighting back!
Used games are bad for the industry. Still, I really, really don't like this saved game nonsense. It makes things worse for everyone...
"Last week, we found out that Pac-Man & Galaga Dimensions for 3DS had become the first game to copy Capcom's controversial single-save scheme.."
Okay Okay.. Hold on a second.. First, Mercenaries isn't the first game for the 3DS that had this kind of save system, people made that very clear when we were all pissed off last month over Mercenaries that there was at least one other that did this (I think it was Blazeblue, but I can't remember) . It was just the first game anyone gave a shit about -in recent memory- that had that sort of save system.
Second.. This seriously isn't the first game ever to have this sort of save system, period. I just bought a $8 copy of Metroid Prime Pinball because I was bored one day and wanted a reason to play Pinball Wizard in the background for hours, and that game has a single save file also... And, actually, the game doesn't even telling it has a save file at all -So wouldn't that make this game even worse then Merc's or Pac-man? Wouldn't it make it just so much more terrible that Nintendo's done this to their customers personally?.. Of course not, because no one gives a flying fuck about Metroid Prime Pinball..
So I guess the question should be, Does any one really give a fuck about Pac-Man or Galaga enough to make this a huge issue?
These are arcade titles, and last time I checked Arcade games always have a persistent leaderboard on the cabinet (and in this case, probably on the card) you have to hope to beat because THATS part of the challenge. This isn't that big of a deal because of nature of arcade style games. Mercenaries was a completely different animal all together, mostly for the fact that you're constantly made to compete against YOURSELF for the highest score (and always have in Mercenaries), and that's why that was big deal.
I'm not even defending the one save feature, cause its stupid to have it at all when you've got what should be a fairly big solid state card, which makes the purpose to fight preowned sales obvious. My girl picked up our copies of mercenaries and I convinced her her bring them back the next day, unopened to get a refund because of Jim's article, which made me rething my ENTIRE stance on this issue... But seriously, this is one of those fights where you have to pick your battles accordingly, and for Pac-man/galaga.. 2 arcade specific games.. it isn't worth pissing ourselves over, specially when they'll be forgotten by March of next year or sooner.
Okay Okay.. Hold on a second.. First, Mercenaries isn't the first game for the 3DS that had this kind of save system, people made that very clear when we were all pissed off last month over Mercenaries that there was at least one other that did this (I think it was Blazeblue, but I can't remember) . It was just the first game anyone gave a shit about -in recent memory- that had that sort of save system.
Second.. This seriously isn't the first game ever to have this sort of save system, period. I just bought a $8 copy of Metroid Prime Pinball because I was bored one day and wanted a reason to play Pinball Wizard in the background for hours, and that game has a single save file also... And, actually, the game doesn't even telling it has a save file at all -So wouldn't that make this game even worse then Merc's or Pac-man? Wouldn't it make it just so much more terrible that Nintendo's done this to their customers personally?.. Of course not, because no one gives a flying fuck about Metroid Prime Pinball..
So I guess the question should be, Does any one really give a fuck about Pac-Man or Galaga enough to make this a huge issue?
These are arcade titles, and last time I checked Arcade games always have a persistent leaderboard on the cabinet (and in this case, probably on the card) you have to hope to beat because THATS part of the challenge. This isn't that big of a deal because of nature of arcade style games. Mercenaries was a completely different animal all together, mostly for the fact that you're constantly made to compete against YOURSELF for the highest score (and always have in Mercenaries), and that's why that was big deal.
I'm not even defending the one save feature, cause its stupid to have it at all when you've got what should be a fairly big solid state card, which makes the purpose to fight preowned sales obvious. My girl picked up our copies of mercenaries and I convinced her her bring them back the next day, unopened to get a refund because of Jim's article, which made me rething my ENTIRE stance on this issue... But seriously, this is one of those fights where you have to pick your battles accordingly, and for Pac-man/galaga.. 2 arcade specific games.. it isn't worth pissing ourselves over, specially when they'll be forgotten by March of next year or sooner.
Notice that the rep basically came right out and said how you can delete your save file: misuse the hardware and cause corruption.
Just pop the cart out while the game is saving, destroying the save file. Nintendo's quality control rules demand that a game handle a corrupted save file gracefully to avoid bricking the cart; next time you boot up the game, the corrupted save will be erased and a fresh clean file initialized.
They may not WANT you to delete the save file, but it's trivial to do so.
Just pop the cart out while the game is saving, destroying the save file. Nintendo's quality control rules demand that a game handle a corrupted save file gracefully to avoid bricking the cart; next time you boot up the game, the corrupted save will be erased and a fresh clean file initialized.
They may not WANT you to delete the save file, but it's trivial to do so.
I think Pac-man is an example of a single save system actually having a good reason to be used, even if ever so slightly.
Since pretty much its just high scores and all so when you buy it used you get to see the previous users old scores.
Infact, this game should only be bought used as you'll then have high scores to beat and challenge.
So there ya go, single save system is counter productive as a used game blocker and instead encourages it.
Now lets point fingers at them and laugh. Hahahahahahaha.
This practice really is odd and I refuse to purchase such a game at the very least on princable alone.
We should demand a sticker be placed on all games featuring this so it doesn't lie to the consumer and we know what not to by without lots of research.
Though one thing I noticed is that this only seems to happen to Japanese games.
Games made from US or UK devs seem to never adopt this method.
So there might be a clue to their method of madness with some sort of trend going on in Japan.
Though for the consumer, I say don't buy it and force them to release it without the lock cause this is just stupid.
Not that I'd buy the game anyway though I have plenty of pac-man on every device I've ever come across. xD
Since pretty much its just high scores and all so when you buy it used you get to see the previous users old scores.
Infact, this game should only be bought used as you'll then have high scores to beat and challenge.
So there ya go, single save system is counter productive as a used game blocker and instead encourages it.
Now lets point fingers at them and laugh. Hahahahahahaha.
This practice really is odd and I refuse to purchase such a game at the very least on princable alone.
We should demand a sticker be placed on all games featuring this so it doesn't lie to the consumer and we know what not to by without lots of research.
Though one thing I noticed is that this only seems to happen to Japanese games.
Games made from US or UK devs seem to never adopt this method.
So there might be a clue to their method of madness with some sort of trend going on in Japan.
Though for the consumer, I say don't buy it and force them to release it without the lock cause this is just stupid.
Not that I'd buy the game anyway though I have plenty of pac-man on every device I've ever come across. xD
Just a heads up guys, Namco Bandai has today retracted these statements, with the publisher saying, "There has been a miscommuniation at our level. Thanks for understanding."
To delete the save data all you have to do is hold down "ABXYLR" at the start. Doesn't save the game from being a mediocre cash-in mess but, hey, at least you can delete the save . .
To delete the save data all you have to do is hold down "ABXYLR" at the start. Doesn't save the game from being a mediocre cash-in mess but, hey, at least you can delete the save . .
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