games  anime  |  toys
Destructoid is gaming news, community, videos, and sometimes love. Take the tour or jump in with Facebook:

 


N'Gai Croal comments on RE5 trailer, but all we see is another Capcom hit photo

During a recent interview with MTV Multiplayer (concerning the depiction of blacks in games), N'Gai Croal of Newsweek gave an enlightening talk about the controversy behind the Resident Evil 5 trailer, and how Capcom could have done things to avoid the unnecessary fuss.

According to Croal, it was just a few moments in when he realized that there were some things about the trailer that had the potential to inflame members of the black community, however unintentional it might have been. While the majority of us were fawning over the detailed images and dynamic lighting -- not to mention getting all antsy about the debut of a new Resident Evil game on next-generation hardware since RE4 righted the series again -- others were seeing something starkly different. To them, the trailer contained just over three minutes of classic racist imagery that many Caucasians (including myself) never even noticed:

More on this, after the jump: 

"There was stuff like even before the point in the trailer where the crowd turned into zombies. There sort of being, in sort of post-modern parlance, they’re sort of “othered.” They’re hidden in shadows, you can barely see their eyes, and the perspective of the trailer is not even someone who’s coming to help the people. It’s like they’re all dangerous; they all need to be killed. It’s not even like one cute African — or Haitian or Caribbean — child could be saved. They’re all dangerous men, women and children. They all have to be killed."

Croal then goes on to touch upon Resident Evil 4, and that even though the zombies (yes, I know they were supposedly not zombies in that game) were obviously non-white, a fair comparison cannot be made, considering the historical American race relations of the past:

"And given the history, given the not so distant post-colonial history, you would say to yourself, why would you uncritically put up those images? It’s not as simple as saying, “Oh, they shot Spanish zombies in ‘Resident Evil 4,’ and now ‘black zombies and that’s why people are getting upset.” The imagery is not the same. It doesn’t carry the same history, it doesn’t carry the same weight. I don’t know how to explain it more clearly than that."

Still not sold yet on the idea that the trailer wasn't exactly thought out and planned as well as it could have been? Croal expands upon the effect imagery has on the larger audience when some historical context is brought into play:

"It’s like when you engage that kind of imagery you have to be careful with it. It would be like saying you were going to do some sort of zombie movie that appeared to be set in Europe in the 1940’s with skinny, emaciated, Hasidic-looking people. If you put up that imagery people would be saying, “Are you crazy?” Well, that’s what this stuff looks like. This imagery has a history. It has a history and you can’t pretend otherwise. That imagery still has a history that has to be engaged, that has to be understood. If you’re going to tread, if you’re going to engage imagery that has that potential, the onus is on the creator to be aware of that because there will be repercussions in the marketplace."

He finishes up by saying that he doesn't know for sure how Capcom views the whole situation, and the potential ramifications of the game's eventual release. Will it hurt the franchise? In the past, some retailers have tended to shy away from titles that might cause them to be viewed in the wrong way. You know, the image thing Croal's been referring to throughout the entire interview.

Contrary to the ebony-helmeted icon that I've chosen to represent myself here at Destructoid, I'm not of African-American descent. As a result, I may not be as finely tuned into the black community, as say, an African-American would be. However, I find it absurd to think that a Japanese publisher would set out to purposely (or even accidentally) conjure up negative racial overtones towards blacks while publicizing their next game.

Equally puzzling is Croal's mention of WWII-era Jews as a possible analogy. Although I can appreciate the point he is trying to make, there really aren't any parallels that one can draw from such a comparison. What does this really have to do with historical imagery of blacks in America? 

Capcom has but two goals with Resident Evil 5: to weave a story that is true to the RE lore, and to make a profit at the end of the day. By nature of most shooters, it's going to be one man taking on many. In this case, Chris Redfield (who is white) just so happens to be taking on zombie-fied villagers that are black. I have yet to get my hands on the finished game, but judging by the trailer alone, there is nothing about it that overtly depicts the African-American community in a negative manner.

Go back and view the trailer one more time, and then decide for yourself if you see anything worth commenting about (other than the game itself) on a social level. Are there any villagers that seem to be pigeonholed into a stereotypical view that screams out to you in a way that says, "Aha! That is obviously aimed at denigrating blacks!"?

No, you won't find that. What you will find is a stunning trailer for a highly anticipated game, which just happens to take place in an area where non-white villagers are under the influence of something evil -- and it might lead back to a shady corporation that goes by the name of Umbrella. To think otherwise would just be reaching out and grasping at straws in order to back up an argument that shouldn't even exist in the first place. What do you think?


Continue: More Resident Evil stories





prev 50 comments
next 50 comments

166 comments | showing # 51 to 100

BMaN32x's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 13:54
BMaN32x
Ok, I'm gonna play Devil's advocate in this one because I'm guessing 95% of this board is infact white/british/whatever. I definitely understand what he's saying and I also understand where you all are coming from thinking it's not racist at all. Here's the thing...

You're a white guy going around shooting a bunch of africans (forget the whole zombie idea for a second). Japanese people if anything are the most subtle racists anyway, thinking the stereotypical American is Terry Bogard (Okaaaaay!). You have to understand for one second that many black people still see racism today, even though it may not be getting, lynched, fire bombed, shot in broad day light by the sheriff, or beaten in front of their children.

I like how you can all put a "it's not a big deal, it's just a video game" spin on it, because in the end, it should be just that. What you forget or just don't know all together, is that the subtle white vs. black hatred it never going to go away in America.

Yes this comment is going to jump all of you to immediate conclusions, but yes, I am indeed black. NOT african, but black and I saw this game for the first time with a little chuckle and thought "heh, that seems a little racist" with no real outrage. What I can't let slide though is everyone jumping aboard the "this isn't racist" train with no alternative thought. Sure RE4 was bad in that same light. It is the same thing, but spaniards being much closer to European than let's say latino mexicans, it was overlooked.

Look, I'm not going to get all up and arms over this because there isn't going to be a single person to agree with me unless they're black or african. All I'm saying is you can't just dismiss this and say you don't see it. It always has been and always will be a sensitive subject. I'm all open for the whole GTA:SA was racist argument, except for the fact that no one complained when they learned of this fact, up until now to use it as a counter point. Rockstar being a special case, most video games are made by japanese people, about America and how they usually view us, Capcom being a capital offender in many aspects (brings me to Dee Jay in Street Fighter).

I'm all up for good debate, but I can't let this guy get slammed for pointing out what he saw which I happened to see myself. It's the unpopular point of view, but I'm gonna stand by it.
TheRemedy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 13:55
TheRemedy
@Aerox

You clearly didn't read all the comments thoroughly.

And yes, he is almost calling for a boycott of the game,

"I’m saying that the same rights that allow Capcom to put the game out are the same rights that allow people to bring pressure on people who might release that game."
loki d20's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 13:55
loki d20
He has an issue with the fact that, before the villagers are even turned into zombies, they're portrayed as shifty, scary people squinting at you from the shadows.

As opposed to the shifty, scary non-black people in previous Resident Evil games? These games don't have a history of running into lively, smiling faced people, but into people who don't ever trust you.
BMaN32x's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 13:55
BMaN32x
Ok, I'm gonna play Devil's advocate in this one because I'm guessing 95% of this board is infact white/british/whatever. I definitely understand what he's saying and I also understand where you all are coming from thinking it's not racist at all. Here's the thing...

You're a white guy going around shooting a bunch of africans (forget the whole zombie idea for a second). Japanese people if anything are the most subtle racists anyway, thinking the stereotypical American is Terry Bogard (Okaaaaay!). You have to understand for one second that many black people still see racism today, even though it may not be getting, lynched, fire bombed, shot in broad day light by the sheriff, or beaten in front of their children.

I like how you can all put a "it's not a big deal, it's just a video game" spin on it, because in the end, it should be just that. What you forget or just don't know all together, is that the subtle white vs. black hatred it never going to go away in America.

Yes this comment is going to jump all of you to immediate conclusions, but yes, I am indeed black. NOT african, but black and I saw this game for the first time with a little chuckle and thought "heh, that seems a little racist" with no real outrage. What I can't let slide though is everyone jumping aboard the "this isn't racist" train with no alternative thought. Sure RE4 was bad in that same light. It is the same thing, but spaniards being much closer to European than let's say latino mexicans, it was overlooked.

Look, I'm not going to get all up and arms over this because there isn't going to be a single person to agree with me unless they're black or african. All I'm saying is you can't just dismiss this and say you don't see it. It always has been and always will be a sensitive subject. I'm all open for the whole GTA:SA was racist argument, except for the fact that no one complained when they learned of this fact, up until now to use it as a counter point. Rockstar being a special case, most video games are made by japanese people, about America and how they usually view us, Capcom being a capital offender in many aspects (brings me to Dee Jay in Street Fighter).

I'm all up for good debate, but I can't let this guy get slammed for pointing out what he saw which I happened to see myself. It's the unpopular point of view, but I'm gonna stand by it.
Schmo0zle's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 13:58
Schmo0zle
"...not even someone who’s coming to help the people. It’s like they’re all dangerous; they all need to be killed. It’s not even like one cute African — or Haitian or Caribbean — child could be saved. They’re all dangerous men, women and children. They all have to be killed."

THEY'RE ZOMBIES, you dumb fuck. Of course they all need to be killed and none can be saved. What the fuck. This is a zombie game.

People who don't know what they're talking about ruin everything. People who are racist ruined everything. Throw them both together and you get Fox News-esque retardation.

...Hell, you pretty much get Fox News period.
Axelay 2's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 13:59
Axelay 2
Amen, Rutilcaper.

Also, to answer Gameboi's question of "Equally puzzling, is Croal's mention of WWII era Jews, as a possible analogy. Although I can appreciate the point he is trying to make, there really aren't any parallels that one can draw from such a comparison. What does this really have to do with historical imagery of blacks in America?"

I think the point N'Gai was trying to make was if there was a level in Wolfenstein where you say, entered a concentration camp full of starved and tortured Jews that were turned into ravenous zombies, but still looked very much like starved and tortured Jews, and you had no choice but to mow them down, it would not go over well with a general audience. It would appear to be pretty tasteless, at least in a 3 minute trailer, if the gameplay showed a gratuitous hail of bullets ripping them apart.

Further more, if the Haitians in the trailer looked more like traditional rotting zombies, instead of the sort of a savages stereotype that racists have historically portrayed Africans in general as, it probably wouldn't seem severe.

I don't think it was Capcom's intention to create something racist. In the end I don't think anyone who plays through the game will likely feel that way. I think there will be redeemable black characters in the game, and maybe even a story with a social/political relevance that addresses the plight of the people of Haiti. Maybe if it doesn't go that far, it will at least be willing to make a statement like Dead Rising did.
OWLICKS's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:00
OWLICKS
Schmoozle is an idiot.

he's talking about the scene before the zombies you stupid asshole.
Vanilla Gorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:01
Vanilla Gorilla
How DARE a game developer try and create a game in a new setting instead of sticking to the generic formulas!
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:01
B-Radicate
No one gave a fuck when they were white zombies. Or Spanish zombies. If Chris was black would we hear shouts of black on black crime? Doubtful.

If people stopped separating themselves by race, then we wouldn't have an issue in the first place. The fact people call attention to skin color the moment they see shit like this is a bigger problem.

Let's not worry that he's shooting famine-stricken people in a part of the world where the overwhelming majority of people are impoverished and neglected. Let's not start talking about ways to end the troubles in these countries like wars and disease, let's remind everyone they're black and shouldn't be shot. Then we can go back to listening to gangster rap music, slapping hoes, hustlin' crack, and shooting cops. 'Cause that's what any good citizen would do.

This is a crock of shit. Hot and steamy shit. And the news media will likely eat it up when the game finally sees release.
Kryptinite's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:01
Kryptinite
Being a black guy...

Who gives a shit.

More on this to come.
tanuki's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:05
tanuki
Most of you are overreacting big time, and it's clear you didn't actually read the article. N'Gai isn't criticizing the trailer for being racist, rather he is engaging its imagery and explaining why people see it as racist:

"It’s very difficult in this country, in many countries, to have a conversation about race. Everyone brings to it their own history, their own perspective. Some people are engaged in it, some people aren’t. I think some people are concerned because some people think there is a double standard. Some people say that when it’s images of only black people then people get concerned. Some people feel like their hobby is under attack; it’s being misinterpreted or misunderstood. Again the portrayal of Africa, or the Caribbean, since we don’t know where it’s being set, as sort of this dark, dangerous continent filled with people who only want to do you harm goes back a long, long way. And based on the images put up on the trailer, what else are you supposed to take from it? Especially if you’re not familiar with the franchise?"

Many of you, including the editors, are proving yourselves to be knee jerk reactionary nitwits, and are in fact proving his point when he says that conversations about race are made more difficult when people like gamers simply feel like they're hobby is simply being misunderstood and refuse to engage in any conversation beyond that. Like it or not, the trailer was in fact a sizable misstep for those not already familiar with the Resident Evil series, as can be evidenced by this continuing racism fallout that has persisted outside the videogame community. It's important to analyze the trailer and understand why this has happened, but you're all far too protective of your habits under the misguided banner of "reverse racism" to do any such thing.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:05
Tubatic
I'd like to one day have the words to get everyone to understand the issue here. I really would. But I can't. I've tried a few times but I can't. There's no breaching you guys regarding this topic.

It bothers me that people get so incredibly up and arms when someone points out the negative perception of the RE trailer. Its as if someone's view of the RE5 trailer is something that will oneday shakedown the very fabric of out society, simply by someone seeing some nasty, historic imagery in something modern.

I'm not going there today, because my comment would inevitably be responded to with allusions to the wonderful South Park episode about racism, concerns that political correctness is going to mindwipe our society, or somebody that is also african american or otherwise brownskinned that states that they don't see a problem with it (which must mean the people with the problem are invalid!).

To add to the conversation, I'll just say that I'm black (for what that's worth in this issue), I noticed the same images that N'Gai did, it jarred me for a minute and I joked with my wife about it. I'm interested in how the game plays out in analysis, considering the negative imagery/perceptions that are possible, and I'm not expecting any of it to hurt the sales of the game.

See you guys in the next comment section.
TurboHyperFighting's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:05
TurboHyperFighting
Ugh... Makes me want to N'punch N'gai in his N'throat.

Classical Racist Imagery. Right.

I'm totally on the wagon with the Isolated, Japanese concept of "Race? What that?". Perhaps they took the Western Concept of Stereotypes and Racism into account when cutting the trailer, perhaps not. Point is, someone took offense to a TEASER/TRAILER. Slow news day for Captain N'Gai or what?

Also, I'm sure that this particular trailer was cut for an American audience. I'll bet the Japanese trailer was 3x Supa-Awsome dessu! Maybe even a ninja-like character in it. One who can do backflips. Ninjas aren't racist.
loki d20's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:07
loki d20
Look, I'm not going to get all up and arms over this because there isn't going to be a single person to agree with me unless they're black or african. All I'm saying is you can't just dismiss this and say you don't see it.

I don't see it because I'm not racist. I will admit that I'm not racist because I personally have not been persecuted. I admit that others of the black race have been persecuted, but not by me. The element of racism is an individual view, not a group view. By claiming that we must see the imagery of racism in this, you are then claiming that we must be racists on some level. That's not the case.

I get reminded daily that I'm racist because I'm white by the media. What makes you think that I don't understand what racism is when I am reminded daily that I'm the biggest racist out there?

It always has been and always will be a sensitive subject. I'm all open for the whole GTA:SA was racist argument, except for the fact that no one complained when they learned of this fact, up until now to use it as a counter point.

Why would people complain when they didn't think it was racist? What's wrong with using that as an example of how we accept storylines and settings for what they are and not as an indicator of anti-race motivation?
shmelo's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:07
shmelo
I suppose one could look at the imagery, but then all you need to know is "its a horror survival game" MEANT TO BE SCARY AND DARK. I do understand his point, but it still isn't racist. All this guy proves is that people still want to bring up racism because it isn't gone, because we won't let it go. Let it go.

And yeah, RE5 is going to be mind blowing! I'm reserving it for sure.
ShinAmano's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:09
ShinAmano
I must not be aware of this "classic racist imagery" because I did not see it either in the trailer or in my studies.

I am also sick of the term 'African-American' and the call for equality...equality would be labeling yourself what the rest of us do: American.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:10
Snaileb
There's bigger issues pertaining to racism than this game, and you won't find a sudden uprising in white supremicy because of this game.

Yes, I read the article and yes Aerox makes very good points, so I'm choosing to go with his latter suggestion and disagree.

If there's a zombie conspiracy happening in a third world country, it's not going to be the part of the country where everyone is giggles and lolipop farts. It's going to show a repressed civilization that is diseased and ridden with shady people and condemned living conditions.

The above paragraph is what these people need to worry about.(third world countries that are inhabited by sickly dying people, not the video games that represent them)
dew_lite's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:11
dew_lite
He has an issue with the fact that, before the villagers are even turned into zombies, they're portrayed as shifty, scary people squinting at you from the shadows.


I think that if a huge ass white cop was walking through your neighborhood with that I'm gonna kick everyone's ass stare like Chris Redfield was in that trailer, you'd be lurking in the shadows and looking at him funny too. It's not a racist thing, he is the ethnic minority; he looks different from everyone in that village. He's the one who looks crazy, not the Haitian villagers.
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:12
CelicaCrazed
Ok, I'm not touching this with a 20ft pole :S.
Schmo0zle's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:13
Schmo0zle
@Owlicks

Ess tee eff you, sir.

It doesn't matter what he is talking about. Them being portrayed as humans lurking in the shadows isn't racist either. One could even argue they were zombies stalking him or something.

But, assuming they were humans who were lurking in the shadows - Yea, so? It is creating an uneasy atmosphere and a sense of eeriness. A sense that something isn't right there. Not because they're black, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A FUCKING ZOMBIE GAME. What does this guy want, a scene of black people holding hands singing and dancing and then all of a sudden they drop dead and start raping the protagonist? That makes no fucking sense and isn't really visually pleasing.

The bottom line is that it isn't racist. It's just black people crying over stupid crap that THEY think is racist while everyone else looks at it and goes "Uhh...No? What? How is that racist?" and thus, they have to explain how its racist.

One would expect racism would be blatantly obvious...
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:21
Rockvillian
It's not racist, it's just a bad idea. Especially considering the current state of gaming and it's status with the uninformed populace and more sensationalist media.
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:22
Y0j1mb0
I agree with Jim and Snaileb.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:22
Orionsaint
I never even thought of it being racist till it was brought up. I just thought he was in a country where there were black people and they turned to Zombies, now fight your way out.
DrNutt's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:23
DrNutt
I agree with Aerox. He is totally right. I'm going to love this game.

N'Gai is pointing out that the imagery of some civilized white guy rampaging through Haiti and killing black people with superior firepower is unsettling for its imagery. If you can't see why that's at least a little troubling based on historical depictions of blacks as savages then you're god damned retarded.

And besides, if it's anything like RE4, they won't be depicted as zombies, and it's going to, in fact, look like a bunch of black savages acting crazy, at least until their heads start exploding and popping out tentacles and shit.
GuitarAtomik's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:26
GuitarAtomik
I'm going to have to write a blog about this since any reply I make is going to be too long and complicated.
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:28
BluDesign
@aerox

If that's the big concern then where are the lineups of KKK members looking to plunk their hard earned White Dollars on RE5? He's trying to pull controversy out of thin air. I don't judge my media based on the percentage of respect paid to a certain culture, I buy the game based on content and gameplay.

If I were N'Gai, I would've pitched a bigger fit over games that do feature more prominent racial stereotypes and cachetisms. If I remember correctly, aren't a lot of characters in Saints Row irrational and violent minority characters? Asians, latinos, african americans all prominently are attempting to kill your rag tag gang of equally violent latino/asian/african americans. Is it better because it's three stereotypes instead of one? Your game activities include running cab for whores, running drugs for dealers, shooting ethinic pimps, and getting into street gang violence. Nothing racist about any of that is there? Not at all because they made the gang violence multi cultural. YAY!

Please. I know I'm a big dumb white guy, so I'm not supposed to "get it", but I question if the modern african american's repression from whites is more of a perceptive attitude carried over from past generations or if they really unilaterally experience a level of hatred and bigotry thrown at them at a level that their grandparents and ancestors had to endure.

And you know, as much as it stings a person, I can't equate hearing a random, non-directed "N****r" on the street from some old white dude will carry the same emotional damage or reaction that waking up to find a burning cross has been planted in your front yard or watching your sister get assaulted for sitting in the "white section" of a cafe.

Racism is racism, but you have to look at the bigger picture of if the attack is one directed at you or a larger audience and just tune that shit out. I filter out jokes at fat people pretty easily, but if someone directs one at me, you better believe I'm gonna get upset, and understandably so.

I've found it quite ironic that just a few years ago, an episode of South Park pointedly showed me that our children and even our own generation lives in a world that is SO far removed socially from what our parents and grandparents not only lived in, but fostered. And how much better we are as a society. Yet small, little flare ups of stupid bigotry and hatred that die at the very hands that commit those offenses are treated as though people died because of those actions.

Not that you can only react to violence tied to hatred, but a chest pounding racist asshole is going to feed off the fear and insecurity you project when you're scrambling to point out what he did was wrong. He knows what he did was wrong. So do the rest of us.

If we have a problem with the way RE5 present's it's themes, I can clearly indicate so by not buying the game.
fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:29
fetusmilk
i dont know i thought its always been everyone else ["colored" or other wise] VS. "the [one,white] man" in games for years now.

i think its funny how all the "colored/African American" people complaining about it are the ones that think of them selves as a "group/race" and us whites and others are always thinking of ourselves as individuals. sounds like some people have a race complex.

but no matter what your always going to have jerks out there who hate anything and everything. [race] that hates this [race]. blah blah blah.

either hate everyone or noone why pick and choose?
power-glove's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:30
power-glove
Rockvillian, you got want N'Gai was talking about. He was stating his concern that the media at large may see this in the wrong way and it is very easy for them to see the worst in that trailer, without any context.
sushi111's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:31
sushi111
Racism is segregating the views on Black humans away from others, not shooting them in a video game.
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:33
Syn
I would like to hear some alternatives from the people that manage to find racism here. First tell me what the story is going to be, tell me exactly how it is racist, then tell me how you would do it differently.

I want to know why you would change the setting, and to where, because obviously in Haiti there are more black people to be infected than white people.

The bottom line is YOU DON'T KNOW. You're drawing conclusions from a clip of a game that was intended to show gameplay and new lighting effects. Just because it's a clip of a white guy shooting black people doesn't make it racist.

Sometimes people just need to be shot (all colors). But the Resident Evil body count most assuredly has more white people in it than black people. The fact that this is even an issue disappoints me, obviously there is no segregation, theres no WHITES ONLY and BLACKS ONLY signs. I'm willing to be all the money I have that Chris won't be screaming racial obscenities as he defends himself against the zombies

Lastly, just because no one found RE4 "possibly racist" at the time doesn't make it any less of a valid point now, we still don't find it racist, and we aren't going to find this racist.
A New Challenger's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:35
A New Challenger
I'm with Rutilcaper on this one. Everyone who mentioned the history/context of Haiti and voodoo zombies, tell me: Where in the trailer does it explicitly say that? Mr. Croal is being pretty level-headed about this.

"Ignore" and "ignorant" share a root for the same reason. Whether the trailer bothered you personally (for the record, it didn't bother me) isn't the issue. If you absolutely can't see why some people would raise eyebrows at this trailer (even though many of them did so in a very opportunistic and douchey fashion) you're being disingenuous- you evenreognized the potential for a shitstorm and called it. How could you make that conclusion from the trailer, if there was absolutely 100% nothing just a little bit wrong with it? What about the RE5 trailer set off alarms in your head that "Hmm, some people might be upset about this"? Yeah, you may have been joking and preemptively mocking the reactionaries, but you picked up on the same things in the trailer that they picked up on.

I hate the reactionary attention-seeking douchebags who jumped all over this trailer as much as anyone. I also dislike people saying N'Gai is wrong here and then not addressing his arguments. Not that I believe related but not necessarily on-topic discussion should stay out of the comments (that's stupid) but quit being irrationally defensive and setting up strawmen when disagreeing. Counter his arguments. I can't, so for the moment I tend to agree with what N'Gai said. I would love to read an actual counterpoint (and I'm not being sarcastic here and implying there isn't one.)
A New Challenger's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:39
A New Challenger
Aaaaand of course now I look like a fuckwit for not proofreading. Great.
Ryro's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:40
Ryro
Obama's black?
PossibleSword's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:42
PossibleSword
Is it wrong to think that in a strange, vague way, the RE5 trailer is to some degree encouraging. That we feel comfortable, as a culture, to greenlight this kind of concept -- that we've reached a point where black zombies can be shot and decaptiated alongside white zombies without any racially-motivated malice? It's MLK's "I Have An Undead Dream Speech." Joking aside, however, and forgetting for a moment that the historial roots of zombie mythology are deeply rooted in Haitian and African-American culture, there would have been a time when we A) wouldn't have put blacks into a game to begin with, or B) felt too sensitive about the subject matter and our racial history to even consider the idea. Doesn't the fact that we're venturing into this territory now speak to a complete LACK of ill-intent? That we can see the Resident Evil narrative as going back to its logical, historical roots without worry about any negative interpretation of blacks because there simply isn't any malice, ill-intent or culture insensitivity to be interpreted? At least on the part of the developers. And do we need to craft narratives and/or trailers any differently for black protagnoists or antagonists than we would for whites? If the idea is that we're all people, independant of skin color, religion or heritage, then shouldn't we apply the same standards of comedy, drama, horror, violence or romance to EVERYBODY?
Aerox's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:43
Aerox
@TheRemedy

That quote is not a reference to a boycott, it's a reference to drawing attention to the marketing team so that they make better choices in their advertising.

@dvddesign

Where are the lineups of KKK members waiting to buy this game?

Here
GuitarAtomik's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:44
GuitarAtomik
One thing though:

"However, find it absurd to think that a Japanese publisher would set out to purposely (or even accidentally) conjure up negative racial overtones towards blacks while publicizing their next game.

Actually the Japanese tend to do this accidentally all the time. Take a look at pretty much every black person that shows up in anime and you'll know what I mean. Or even in the last Godzilla movie (Godzilla:Final Wars) where the one black guy in the movie was the most stereotypical pimp character possible who actually pulls a gun on a cop in the middle of the street just for having his car towed.

I'm not saying they're being racist necessarily and I can't entirely blame them since they've probably only seen a few black people in person their entire life, let alone met one. And to be fair, they do this with other races and nationalites as well, but it does happen all the time.

Alright, I'm going to have to write this blog now.
aj2good4you2's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:47
aj2good4you2
+1000000000 to the 4 people who actually read the story AND the comments. some of you who are complaining that jumping to a conclusion is stupid are doing the exact same thing. jumping to a conclusion and deciding something is not racist is just as bad. READ ARTICLE BEFORE RANT
/rant
Klytus's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:47
Klytus
given the not so distant post-colonial history

Damn Brits! my delicate feelings are hurt by the war of 1812. I demand reparations!

also I think Ghangis Khan killed my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandfather during his colonial agreesions so Mongolian game devlopers; leave us out of your games!
Demtor's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:50
Demtor
Kill em all I say... the zombies I mean.

What? WHAT?! What did I say? *shrug* I don't get it.
blahblahblah's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:51
blahblahblah
Based on the tone of this debate, it's perhaps useless for me to attempt this, but I shall regardless.

Intent has nothing to do with it. Do I think the good people at Capcom sat around thinking about how to make an overtly racist game? Obviously not.

However, this type of imagery DOES have a history, and it's a very, very bleak history. For a long, long time, whites used this sort of imagery to vilify blacks. Period. This isn't an opinion or an argument; it's a fact. These images (Capcom's trailer)--although surely not intentionally--recall those images. They can't *not* recall those images.

The argument isn't that this game shouldn't be set in Africa, or that it should be set in Africa with white zombies. That's obviously absurd. But, how about offering a new, black protagonist rather than the standard white guy? What about demonstrating the virus's ability to effect people of other backgrounds. There are, after all, white people in Africa. They, too, could be zombified. And they might be elsewhere in the game.

But the fact is that what that trailer depicts is a white guy being attacked by big, scary, black people. That's an image that cannot exist today without acknowledging past racism. A responsible creator (and, for that matter, consumer) of such an image needs to deal with that past in a reasonable manner.
Risky's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:51
Risky
Capcom are geniuses.
HideousKojima's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:52
HideousKojima
That place ain't no tourist spot with happy people getting yer dollars.Save people?wrong game,even Re4 had all the children were dead already.Capcom wasnt racist,geez werent the first zombies in re 1-3 mostly white people?Spain had spanish zombies so the Caribbean should have their"Native" zombies,duhr.Of course people would look scary if yer a friggin stranger on their land.I wish people just shut up and just point out stuff only when the game is out.
Kaspar's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:52
Kaspar
The hypocrisity in racial debates is increadibly freaking dazzling.
"Races are equal" followed by a long chain of bitching and whining about blacks being discriminated etc.

If the zombies would be fucking whites, wouldn't it be racist towards THEM?
sacredchao's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:52
sacredchao
I don't see how fighting a huge corporation that is abusing the third world is racist. You have to look at the context - in this case, the overarching story concerning the fact that Umbrella has no problem using people from developing countries as fodder for their grand scheme.

I am practically a socialist. I also have a degree in film. Combined, that means I have a pretty good idea of how visual representations of the world work together to subjugate the proletariat. This is not happening here. This is about fighting the douche bag bourgeoisie who have the fucking money. This is only racist if you ignore the plot, and that would be stupid.

To put it in more technical terms - the signifier is "African Zombies." The first signified that comes to mind would be "Bad guys," and one could easily see how those terms can turn into "Africans=bad." However, if you consider the plot, the signified becomes "People who have been modified from their normal condition by a bunch of rich scum bags to serve some BS capitalist, imperialist, "globalist" purpose." From there, it's pretty easy to conclude that it is the corporation behind all this that is the bad guy, not the Africans. They are the victims of a horrible crime perpetuated by the monied elite.

Ignore context, and you don't get the fucking point.
Cheerios WRATH's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:57
Cheerios WRATH
I’m Black and when I first watched the trailer the first thing going though my head was how good the game looks. If people have a issue they should find good and ask for forgiveness.
Justin Villasenor's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 14:59
Justin Villasenor
"Its not as if its RE5: Night at the Apollo edition"

Someone needs to turn this idea into a ytmnd.
AgentD's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 15:02
AgentD
I'm going to lay this out with a little comparison to a more day-to-day occurrence, because the "lolz its racist if we DON'T shoot black people too" argument is wearing a little thin on me.

Let's say you have a friend who has a brother who was killed by a donkey. It was a horrible mess and everyone kind of regretted it afterward. Your friend though, he was pretty sad about the death of his brother. As you might understand.

Would you make a joke about being killed by donkeys around him? If the answer to that is no then you, whether you think you do or not, totally understand what people are worked up about. If the answer to that is no, then you are a fucking idiot.

Case closed.
AgentD's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 15:04
AgentD
Annnndd of course I meant "if the answer to that is yes" in the second case.

Who is the fucking idiot now? :(
ceark's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 15:04
ceark
man who fucking cares. zombies are zombies. You're not even going around killing people. You going around re-kiliing people that are already dead anyway. it's a zombie killin' horror game, not some KKK propoganda. calling this racist is seems pretty overreaching.
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 15:05
Corak


I'm not touching this one with a 10 foot pole.
prev 50 comments next 50 comments

Comment with Facebook





Click connect and comment instantly!

Comment with Dtoid





New? SIGN UP - it takes 5 seconds

Comments policy

Destructoid is an open discussion community. You don't need to "audition" to post a comment - just speak your mind. We respect differing opinions on the site, so have at it. Be smart, funny, insightful, clueless, or cute -- but back it up with substance. Keep your cool, keep it fun. We only ask that you act respectfully and above all: don't be a troll and ruin it for everyone else. Don't bring down gamers or we'll, you know, gently shoot you in the face and stuff you into a flaming mailbox. Each comment is your opportuntity to make this community awesomer. Is that even a word?

Avoiding the banhammer only requires common sense: spamming, trolling, racism, NSFW stuff, and other forms of sucking will not be tolerated. If anyone is griefing please report abuse. Be good. Don't suck!

 
New on Destructoid.TV play all videos

Loading
Loading Destructoid Videos


    Win this!
    Dive in! meetup+play for a chance to win a PC

    Dtoid Twitter    Got news?   tips@destructoid.com

    Reviews & Previews
    Crossfire Remote Pistol review
    Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles review
    Left 4 Dead 2 review
    Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Reflex review
    Arkedo Series - 02 SWAP! review
    more reviews
    Driver
    Avatar
    GT Racing Motor Academy
    Bad Company 2 beta dishes out meaningful experiences
    Legend of Zelda Spirit Tracks
    more previews


    - The Dtoid Army is 50836 strong -

    Showing Cblogs with 3+ faps   show all

    Call for entries: do the wrong thing

    New to Dtoid? Read the survival guide




     Originals
    Jonathan Holmes: Why No More Heroes HD could mean a Wii total victory





















    More Destructoid Originals




     Popular now more






















    Team Destructoid   tips@destructoid.com
    Nick Chester
    Editor-in-Chief
    Niero
    Founder, publisher
    Jim Sterling
    Reviews Editor
    Hamza Aziz
    Community Manager
    Dale North
    News Editor
    Rey Gutierrez
    Video editor & director
    Anthony Burch
    Features Editor
    Colette Bennett
    Tom Fronczak Brad Nicholson
    Ashley Davis Ben Perlee
    Conrad
    Zimmerman
    Chad Concelmo
    Jonathan Holmes Jonathan Ross
    Brad Rice Jordan Devore
    Will Maddock Matthew Razak
    Dyson Joseph Leray
    Topher Cantler Samit Sarkar
         
      Dexter
    Adam Dork
    Daniel Lingen
    Hollie Bennett
    Joe Burling
    Mikey
    Stella Wong

    Josh Tolentino




     

     
      get involved

    register or login
    post a blog
    post a forum
    enter a contest
    contribute a news tip
    suggest a feature
    be a guest editor
    support

    new member's guide
    login assistance
    tech support
    report abuse
    email our editors
    read our dev blog
    nuclear crisis?
    keep in touch

    RSS feed
    Twitter
    Facebook
    Myspace
    Flickr
    Game nights
    Meetup+play online
    seriously

    about Destructoid
    advertising
    terms of use
    privacy policy
    jobs at MM
    buy our crap
    our network

    Tomopop
    Japanator
    Despingation?




    Destructoid is an independently-run publication forged by our love of video games and the gaming community's need of accountable enthusiast press
    living the dream since March 16, 2006