One of the main advantages that stealth provides is positioning. Being able to get past the enemy's front lines in many TF2 maps as a Demoman is a huge advantage because you can go to town on engineers and buildings. Of course, if you're using the Chargin' Targe and the Eyelander then there's no point and you're better off running around on the front lines.
I just don't see the strategic value in that playstyle, myself.
Stealth takes patience.. and strategic planning... but mostly patience! Even in MAG we come across a "knifer" every once in awhile... someone who has the patience to sneak into a perfect spot near the front where the enemy is spawning and knife them down ruthlessly - it's awesome to see these people rack up a ton of kills before finally being gunned down and only because every one is screaming about the ninja knifer on mic and co-ordinating.
Great blog, too.
I appreciate this blog.
point made, leaving quietly.
For someone who claims to like stealth so much, you sure do talk a lot.
especially capture the flag type games.
With MW2 mulitplayer I just figure out which direction all my team mates are going and head in the opposite direction. Because one the enemy has spotted the main bulk of our sides forces I standing behind them killing 3-5 people per personal death.
It's so satisfying winning a game with a score such as 22-5.
I mean granted I'm not the best, But I rack up the wins quite well.
One mistake that always makes me laugh is when someone shoots their gun and REMAINS where he is.
Shoot and move, shoot and move. Quietly and quickly, and they'll never see you coming. :-)
Jumping right in with both feet certainly has its allure, and from time to time even I find it impossible to resist.
@psycho terror2,
Afraid you might have to get used to it, at least for a little while, considering this month’s musing is The Areas of My Expertise. This normally wouldn't get promoted at all; it's completely shameless self-aggrandizement. I would have preferred to have one of my more substantive offerings on the frontpage, but this is the monthly musing, and this was my take on it. I can see it's not your cup of tea though, and that's cool.
@ChrisMJ,
I prefer the predator just because I’ve always been a huge fan of the movies. The aliens are a bit better at stealth and lightning fast attacks, though, which is the play style I usually gravitate toward. Though I get stuck playing the Marine more often than not.
@Gyro,
I look forward to seeing you on the battlefield. Or, at least, trying to avoid being seen by you.
And also "I skulk in the shadows and appear only after the battle has already been decided"
then what's the fucking point of coming out? If the battle is decided, then you, by definition of "decided" won't make any difference at all. It did sound cool, tho.
TLDR: Cool story, bro.
I'm sure you're great dude, but don't blow smoke up our asses.
It's not just you, so please don't take it personally. It's just the nature of this month's topic.
Well written article, it was fun to read, but its also full of BS.
I don't recall ever saying that I am "awesome at everything". In fact, I'm pretty sure I strictly avoided that. I made a short list of things I can do; I can lead, I can shoot, I can play fighting games, solve puzzles, and handle platforming. So can anybody who plays games. Any gamer can do what I described; I'm not at all saying I can do it better than them. In fact, the point I was trying to make there is that there are people who are experts at doing those things, and I am not one of them. I can do them "in a pinch"; they're not things I'm really great at, but I can do them. I was not trying to place myself in some kind of incredible winner's circle. Furthermore, I thought I made it perfectly clear that this isn't something I can just DO. It's not some natural talent. It's something I learned over years of playing games, something that I have cultivated and worked at, and over that time it has become my "area of expertise". I tried to follow along my history with games and give examples of when I learned certain things, and why they were important to me, and to my craft.
Also, that line, "I skulk in the shadows and appear only after the battle has already been decided" was meant to indicate that what I'm doing isn't seen until the job is done. I try to be invisible up to the point where I take the shot, or trigger the explosives, or ram in the knife, or do whatever it is I'm trying to do. Once I've done it, the job is done; there's no undoing it. Thus, the only time I come out is after the battle's won. I'm not some coward that spends all of my time hiding instead of fighting; if it's more beneficial for me to be doing something else in a team, I'll do that instead. I'll even do something I'm awful at if it's necessary. I don't give a shit about score, I care about teamwork and getting the job done. I've logged far more than my fair share of time thanklessly running around repairing tanks and critical equipment, setting up defenses nobody was likely to ever get to (but we'd be totally screwed if they weren't there), and other boring, mundane tasks because they were more necessary than my preferred playstyle. I see value in every position, and every job. Everyone is necessary. I don't focus on stealth to the exclusion of other roles; I'm just at my best when I'm doing that, thus... "area of expertise".
Seconded. But then, I plan on submitting one of these, so I hope you're there to leave a good insult criticism on mine too!
Also, read this:
"I can do all of these things in a pinch. I can lead just as well as I can follow. I can formulate the plan and teach others to execute it flawlessly. I can turn a band of madmen into a functional, well-oiled machine of strategic destruction. I can rally comrades after a bitter, heartbreaking defeat. I can put lead on target, execute combos, solve puzzles, and I can even conjure enough dexterity to handle the occasional bit of well-timed jumping,"
This doesn't sound like being average at [skill x]. Words like "flawlessly" and "strategic destruction" certainly give the impression that you think you're pretty cool beans. In fact, if you really can do the things you state, you ARE awesome at everything, either that, you're playing on a totally different XBL/Steam/PSN than I am.
I'm thinking of writing my own of these with the explicit goal being to avoid being an ass-plunging, self-aggrandizing douchebag. I'm not sure it's possible.
I'm not trying to be insulting. Maybe not entirely. The article is well written and it held my attention. It's the topic itself; I think most people would be hard pressed to present their ideas on this topic without sounding like a self-aggrandizing d-bag.
It would help if the ideas presented were at the very least grounded in reality.
I guess we just disagree on what I meant with what I wrote. I wasn't expecting a pat on the back from anyone for this; I fully expect every single thing that goes to the front page to be picked over incessantly and discussed in full. If I was terrified of criticism, or that someone would disagree with me, I wouldn't bother posting at Destructoid at all; I'd stick to Facebook or MySpace or some other place where my friends can spend all day jerking me off and telling me how incredible I am.
I explained the intentions behind what I said because you didn't seem to understand where I was coming from, or where I was going with it. That's my fault as a writer for leading you to the wrong places, and it's important to admit when you've made a mistake, then try to clarify things: I did not choose words or terms that got my thoughts across as I conceived them, and that was absolutely my mistake. It is something I intend to work on avoiding the next time I write something. I did, however, want you to understand the meaning behind what I was writing anyway, so I took the time to explain my intentions more directly. I did not explain because I had a problem with what you said, or what you feel, so much as why. If you still feel I sound like a self-aggrandizing douchebag after learning my motivations and intentions with those passages, that's totally your business. I fully respect that, but I felt it was important to at least try to clarify and explain.
I poured on the self-aggrandizement pretty thick while I was at it, but that's the nature of this month's musing. I'd like to see your shot at it, if you can pull off what you're aiming for. But like you said, I don't know if it's possible to not come off as a douchebag.
On a serious note, fuck the haters. Your article was awesome and entertaining.
Those were good times.
Because we all really wanted to read an article about how you're "Kind of pretty okay at stealth but probably there are some people who are better, just being honest. I'm like the semi-visible man, some days I am good but I have lost before. Humble apologies to all!" Yeah, that shit makes for compelling reading. I AM MADE VERY INSECURE BY PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT BEING GOOD AT THINGS AND AM UNABLE TO PARSE HYPERBOLE.
Fapped. :)
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