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I hate this whole "sales = global truth" mindset.
I'd like to know how many Kinect buyers are still using the thing without any games. Right now it might as well be a Dance Central specific perhipheral.
$50,000,000 in marketing goes a long way apparently.
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I also love how Japanese people not embracing the Xbox is seen as some kind of racist avoidance of American products, while Americans shunning the PS3 is just normal, fine and dandy.
I mean American's aren't racist, it's all those different, Non-american races that are racist. LOL.
I'd like to know how many Kinect buyers are still using the thing without any games. Right now it might as well be a Dance Central specific perhipheral.
$50,000,000 in marketing goes a long way apparently.
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I also love how Japanese people not embracing the Xbox is seen as some kind of racist avoidance of American products, while Americans shunning the PS3 is just normal, fine and dandy.
I mean American's aren't racist, it's all those different, Non-american races that are racist. LOL.
@sexualchocolate hah TRUTH! and maybe japan just aint into the shitty kinect games. you never know what developers will do with kinect so time will tell, and hopefully before we all die.
considering they count as one unit:
- 1 Kinect camera
- each Move controller(so Move-chuck and Move-mote are 2 separate controllers)
and the fact that you need several Move controllers to play Wii games...i'm sorry Move games while you only need one Kinect cam i would say it's actual win for Microsoft especially if you consider instalbase of each console.
- 1 Kinect camera
- each Move controller(so Move-chuck and Move-mote are 2 separate controllers)
and the fact that you need several Move controllers to play Wii games...i'm sorry Move games while you only need one Kinect cam i would say it's actual win for Microsoft especially if you consider instalbase of each console.
considering they count as one unit:
- 1 Kinect camera
- each Move controller(so Move-chuck and Move-mote are 2 separate controllers)
and the fact that you need several Move controllers to play Wii games...i'm sorry Move games while you only need one Kinect cam i would say it's actual win for Microsoft especially if you consider how many ps3 and 360 consoles were sold in japan.
- 1 Kinect camera
- each Move controller(so Move-chuck and Move-mote are 2 separate controllers)
and the fact that you need several Move controllers to play Wii games...i'm sorry Move games while you only need one Kinect cam i would say it's actual win for Microsoft especially if you consider how many ps3 and 360 consoles were sold in japan.
@ Sexualchocolate
While I agree that I'd like to see how many people are actually still using the damn thing on a regular basis, sales are important.
What's worse? A device that sells a ton and falls to the wayside because it was over-hyped or a device that doesn't sell at all and falls to the wayside simply because it wasn't very good or just doesn't matter to most of the demographic that the product was aimed at?
I mean, at least MS is recouping whatever they spent on the damn thing, or so you'd hope. And yeah, I think it is pathetic that people bought the thing just because Oprah and Ellen and so on marketed the thing, but that doesn't change the fact that it sold.
While I agree that I'd like to see how many people are actually still using the damn thing on a regular basis, sales are important.
What's worse? A device that sells a ton and falls to the wayside because it was over-hyped or a device that doesn't sell at all and falls to the wayside simply because it wasn't very good or just doesn't matter to most of the demographic that the product was aimed at?
I mean, at least MS is recouping whatever they spent on the damn thing, or so you'd hope. And yeah, I think it is pathetic that people bought the thing just because Oprah and Ellen and so on marketed the thing, but that doesn't change the fact that it sold.
This should be a captain obvious post.
How many 360s have sold over there? Like 1/10th the amount of PS3s that have sold?
Of course Move sold more, its all about user base.
How many 360s have sold over there? Like 1/10th the amount of PS3s that have sold?
Of course Move sold more, its all about user base.
Again apparently sales = global truth.
Sad Move isnt selling so well world wise though. It's an exceptionally better piece of technology than either Kinect or Wii.
Sad Move isnt selling so well world wise though. It's an exceptionally better piece of technology than either Kinect or Wii.
@ Sexual Chocolate
I get your saying with "sales = global truth" but I think Jim's point is that this another example of japanese companies absolutely curb stomping any foreign competion as opposed to just beating them in sales..
I get your saying with "sales = global truth" but I think Jim's point is that this another example of japanese companies absolutely curb stomping any foreign competion as opposed to just beating them in sales..
Its funny how "Kinect is being named the fastest selling electronic in history" and yet nobody even mentions it.
I mean, cmon, im not seeing any Kinect news. No "Kinect reports" on tv.. there were a few in the beggining, but now the things have cooled off in a way the Nintendo Wii needed 2 years to do.
I mean, cmon, im not seeing any Kinect news. No "Kinect reports" on tv.. there were a few in the beggining, but now the things have cooled off in a way the Nintendo Wii needed 2 years to do.
@sofik what wii games? all i have been playing with my move is shooters that actually work, ya know killzone 3, mag, resident evil 5 and in a week socom 4:) the move is how wii controls should have been. all people saying THIS COPIED THAT could say that about mostly EVERYTHING in life. such a desperate way to get an argument across. as long as one improves and tries to do something different which the move does i dont see your point
pointless
no shit.
more people own ps3's in japan then 360's its almost a no brainier. Next article. Wii breaks 1 million sales?
also i don't care how either one of these things are selling i care about games.
no shit.
more people own ps3's in japan then 360's its almost a no brainier. Next article. Wii breaks 1 million sales?
also i don't care how either one of these things are selling i care about games.
That's actually surprising.
One thing, that isn't many Move units, considering how many PS3s are sold.
Second, considering how little 360 has sold compared to the number of PS3s, a 2:1 is reasonably good. Unless Microsoft expected Kinect to change the 360s situation in Japan, and making it massively popular that is.
I would say, they performed equally bad.
One thing, that isn't many Move units, considering how many PS3s are sold.
Second, considering how little 360 has sold compared to the number of PS3s, a 2:1 is reasonably good. Unless Microsoft expected Kinect to change the 360s situation in Japan, and making it massively popular that is.
I would say, they performed equally bad.
Considering the PS3 outsells the 360 in Japan by about 4.5 to 1, Move only outselling Kinect in Japan by 2 to 1 is either a really good sign for Kinect or a really bad sign for Move.
Don't you think this number is somewhat bad for Sony, since the PS3 outsells the Xbox 360 in Japan by quite a large margin
lmao ps3 fanboys are hilarious. since launch the wasn't a single good game released for Wii knock-off and sales are pretty much dead for weeks(right now weakly Move sales are below 2k worldwide and aside of Sports Champions selling less than 1k copies on weekly basis all Move titles are dead for weeks). and considering the fact that there are no upcoming Move games aside from 2 wii ports and some Harry Potter wannabe the knock-off ended up just like all the other controllers made by sony - Dead.
and i still have yet to see a Move title that is better than any game made for Kinect - the best Move title is still just an average Wii Sports knock-off(especially with very poor reviews and current score average in mid 70s).
now let's see what's happening with Kinect:
current weakly sales - 80-90k,
Kinect exclusive software sales(excluding Kinect Adventures) - 100+k copies per week,
20+ Kinect exclusive games coming this year that were already announced with many additional titles that have Kinect exclusive content,
and i still have yet to see a Move title that is better than any game made for Kinect - the best Move title is still just an average Wii Sports knock-off(especially with very poor reviews and current score average in mid 70s).
now let's see what's happening with Kinect:
current weakly sales - 80-90k,
Kinect exclusive software sales(excluding Kinect Adventures) - 100+k copies per week,
20+ Kinect exclusive games coming this year that were already announced with many additional titles that have Kinect exclusive content,
I frankly can't believe than ANYONE cares about EITHER of them right now. The games just are not there imho to justify a purchase. Maybe I am just tired of motion-based gaming after so long with the Wii, but I simply do not see any compelling reason to buy either at this point.
SayWord,
except for the fact that those aren't Move titles - it's just alternative control scheme show me title made FOR Move. Singstar Dance?
except for the fact that those aren't Move titles - it's just alternative control scheme show me title made FOR Move. Singstar Dance?
I'm more interested in the DVR attachment for my PS3 than the pissing contest going on between those other two peripherals, so I googled up the PlayAsia page for it.
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-bp-49-en-70-3qo8.html
$130 is a little much for something that doesn't stand on its own, but considering that PS3 hard drives are upgradeable and easily switched I guess it's a whole hell of a lot better than being stuck with one drive, or even better you can move it from one system to the next if you machine bricks.
/shrug
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-bp-49-en-70-3qo8.html
$130 is a little much for something that doesn't stand on its own, but considering that PS3 hard drives are upgradeable and easily switched I guess it's a whole hell of a lot better than being stuck with one drive, or even better you can move it from one system to the next if you machine bricks.
/shrug
Kinect is without a doubt the more interesting, innovative and holds the most potential of the 2 however, it doesn't really interest me as gamer because of lack of interesting supporting software. While Move is more Wii-HD, I actually enjoy playing shooters like Killzone 3, light gun games like Dead Space Extraction. I think there's potential here so I hope Sony can continue it's own support and drum up 3rd party support as well (really bummed the Portal won't support Move). Although, Who knows maybe MS will end up with a reason to own Kinect.
The funny part of this is that even though the Move is outselling Kinect 2:1, the attach rate for Kinect is MUCH higher than Move...in Japan of all places. There are a lot more than two PS3s for every 360.
I'm sure the typical Japanese household being simply too small for Kinect has nothing to do with this, really. No, it has to be racism.
I love you, Jim Sterling, but in this particular case, I just want to say "fuck you".
I love you, Jim Sterling, but in this particular case, I just want to say "fuck you".
Not really surprising, especially considering how many more PS3s there are in Japan than Xbox 360s. What I'd like to see is a comparison of the percentage of PS3 owners that bought a Move, vs the percentage of 360 owners that bought a Kinect. I'm pretty sure that the PS3 significantly more than double the 360s in Japan, which means that technically the Kinect still has a higher adoption rate.
DVR add on?? DO WANT!! wish they could do something with cable TV instead of OTA (over the air) digital signals... there's not much in the way of OTA here and most stuff is by cable - which I guess is why they haven't pushed the peripheral into the North American market as yet.
Yes, but this means that twice as many Japanese 360 owners bought a Kinect than PS3 owners bought any Move peripherals. And don't forget: 2 Move controllers would count double.
(based on there being 6.5M PS3s and 1.5M 360s in Japan according to VG Chartz).
(based on there being 6.5M PS3s and 1.5M 360s in Japan according to VG Chartz).
I won't consider Move until there are actually some Move games out beyond shooters not designed for it.
Why anyone would want either is beyond me. At a push I'd say the Move was a little bit better merely because it's been integrated into actual games that weren't just built to show it off, whereas the Kinect is just a thing people have fits in front of. They are both hilarious wastes of cash though.
Not surprising.... Move is a better, faster, more accurate product... doesn't require a football field and furniture elimination to play in, either.
I suggest the headline be changed to 'Shock: People with small homes don't buy thing that needs 6 feet of space'
Fact: Microsoft spent $500M marketing Kinect.
Opinion: Both Kinect and Move will soon share a grim fate in the retail bargain bin. #shoveltech
Opinion: Both Kinect and Move will soon share a grim fate in the retail bargain bin. #shoveltech
Kinect was never going to sell much in Japan anyways, not many gamers have the 360 over there.
Motion controllers should have stayed with the Wii only. I do for some reason have a very big dislike for the Kinect, it seems to have put Microsoft down the path of kiddies games machine now. The only thing MS have going for it this year is Gears 3, and my enthusiasm for that game is somewhat lacking. I am sure somehow it will be a good game, but if only MS killed the new idea of promoting the Kinect and focus on what made them, games, I would have more respect for them and start playing their games and the 360 again.
Motion controllers should have stayed with the Wii only. I do for some reason have a very big dislike for the Kinect, it seems to have put Microsoft down the path of kiddies games machine now. The only thing MS have going for it this year is Gears 3, and my enthusiasm for that game is somewhat lacking. I am sure somehow it will be a good game, but if only MS killed the new idea of promoting the Kinect and focus on what made them, games, I would have more respect for them and start playing their games and the 360 again.
Well unlike kinect you can actually play games with the move.. Im having a blast in Kz3 Multiplayer with the move.
besides all the japan racist they don´t buy American products.. Like yea if you think American chauvinism hasn´t been a major factor in the xbox succes, you are poor naive human been
besides all the japan racist they don´t buy American products.. Like yea if you think American chauvinism hasn´t been a major factor in the xbox succes, you are poor naive human been
@Sofik
So if your reasoning goes to sales = good then you must think the Wii kicks Xbox's ass?
Theres probably millions of people listening to Justin Bieber too
So if your reasoning goes to sales = good then you must think the Wii kicks Xbox's ass?
Theres probably millions of people listening to Justin Bieber too
Hmmm, didn't Microsoft put 500 Million into Kinect marketing? Weren't they targeting everyone...not in their core demographic?
Didn't Sony say Move was going to be a slow starter? Did Sony put half a billion into Move marketing? Who was Sony targeting with Move again?
*rolls eyes*
I find it incredibly funny that news will cover this stuff time and again, in the lead up to release. Everyone knows exactly how it's going to play out, and then when the sales data comes in, showing exactly what every party involved had been saying for weeks....everyone's all shocked and awed.
Btw, the best selling piece of electronics in history is the personal computer. 200-300 Million units and counting!
Didn't Sony say Move was going to be a slow starter? Did Sony put half a billion into Move marketing? Who was Sony targeting with Move again?
*rolls eyes*
I find it incredibly funny that news will cover this stuff time and again, in the lead up to release. Everyone knows exactly how it's going to play out, and then when the sales data comes in, showing exactly what every party involved had been saying for weeks....everyone's all shocked and awed.
Btw, the best selling piece of electronics in history is the personal computer. 200-300 Million units and counting!
What does it mean that "figures put" sales at 2:1? Did Sony release these figures?
If so, this article should be more about how Sony (not unlike many business, but to a more stomach-churning degree of severity and frequency) only publishes numbers that make them "look good" -- interestingly though, like another commenter pointed out, considering the install base and units sold/game (multiple move hardware units are usually needed), this doesn't make Sony look all that great.
Whatever though, this will tide me over until they announce that they've got a 1000% sales lead on MS in terms of non-Xbox console sales, worldwide. Good on you, Sony. Good on you.
If so, this article should be more about how Sony (not unlike many business, but to a more stomach-churning degree of severity and frequency) only publishes numbers that make them "look good" -- interestingly though, like another commenter pointed out, considering the install base and units sold/game (multiple move hardware units are usually needed), this doesn't make Sony look all that great.
Whatever though, this will tide me over until they announce that they've got a 1000% sales lead on MS in terms of non-Xbox console sales, worldwide. Good on you, Sony. Good on you.
"I frankly can't believe than ANYONE cares about EITHER of them right now. The games just are not there imho to justify a purchase. Maybe I am just tired of motion-based gaming after so long with the Wii, but I simply do not see any compelling reason to buy either at this point."
This, along with a few similar comments above, is like the only truth in this entire comment chain.
This, along with a few similar comments above, is like the only truth in this entire comment chain.
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