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@respawnIN10
Because the required specs don't mean a lot sometimes. I have twice what Splinter Cell Conviction requires, and it still runs like shit because the PC version is very poorly optimized. PC gamers need demos a whole lot more than console gamers do, and most of the time, they don't exist.
I'm not condoning piracy, because it IS stealing, but your argument is invalid.
Because the required specs don't mean a lot sometimes. I have twice what Splinter Cell Conviction requires, and it still runs like shit because the PC version is very poorly optimized. PC gamers need demos a whole lot more than console gamers do, and most of the time, they don't exist.
I'm not condoning piracy, because it IS stealing, but your argument is invalid.
People really like Fifa 12 apparently. Your big name games make the lists so nothing really new. Xenoblade was Nintendo's fault though.
It'd be nice to see the used game sales figure along side this. Out of curiosity.
It'd be nice to see the used game sales figure along side this. Out of curiosity.
A few of those games are well worth the money, people who pirate them even when they have the means (let's face it, some countries will never get those games unless you pay an arm for an import; my home country used to have only pirated CDs because a legitimate game would cost around $150 and kids couldn't afford that) should be ashamed. Hell I got Catherine even when I didn't own a PS3, that's how bad I wanted to play it (and it was awesome).
Contrary to popular belief, piracy doesn't go down when prices are cheaper. People just believe that they're entitled to certain things for free, just because they can.
Why the hell people pirate Portal 2? It a good game, had a lot of price cuts/deals and Valve is not screwing his customers...
Well I can understand Xenoblade being pirated so much, and that's from people that actually KNOW about the game & wanted it. But when it's finally released...
1) How many people are going to even know about the game?
2) Will Nintendo make it known to the mainstream with at least SOME advertising in order to make sales, rather than rely solely on some group of dedicated renegades for sales?
3) How many people that pirated the game are going to buy this once it's officially ported and released in the U.S.?
1) How many people are going to even know about the game?
2) Will Nintendo make it known to the mainstream with at least SOME advertising in order to make sales, rather than rely solely on some group of dedicated renegades for sales?
3) How many people that pirated the game are going to buy this once it's officially ported and released in the U.S.?
I hate people who pirate Indie games. Machinarium was hit hard with piracy. That's disgusting, they actually need the money.
@Johnny Joestar
Of course the most hyped, biggest budget games of the year sold well.
Now compare this to smaller and indie titles and it becomes a much sadder story.
The Humble Indie Bundle being pirated at all despite being able to be bought for a cent is downright disgusting.
Of course the most hyped, biggest budget games of the year sold well.
Now compare this to smaller and indie titles and it becomes a much sadder story.
The Humble Indie Bundle being pirated at all despite being able to be bought for a cent is downright disgusting.
this is messed up.. off course PC games will win when there download FROM a PC to begin with.. im sure if this kinda thing could be done on the xbox..xbox would win and so on and so on..
why publish this..now there gonna use it as an excuse for there laziness
why publish this..now there gonna use it as an excuse for there laziness
@The Silent Protagonist
"People decided Nintendo said "never" as the rationale to pirate it. Nintendo of America - not as a whole - had no reason not to publish it, true, but piracy is never justified."
Please point out to me where I said it was justified. Please, do me a giant favor and pick that very sentiment, statement or sentence out of this post:
"I wonder if those Xenoblade pirates could have been actual sales, had Nintendo got their fucking head out of their anus."
Yeah, never said that, you pretentious little child. So, the next time you think you should tell someone what you think about their statement, before you go feeling like a big boy standing on your soapbox, I'd take the time to master how to fucking READ. Might help you out there, bucko. Just a friendly tip.
"People decided Nintendo said "never" as the rationale to pirate it. Nintendo of America - not as a whole - had no reason not to publish it, true, but piracy is never justified."
Please point out to me where I said it was justified. Please, do me a giant favor and pick that very sentiment, statement or sentence out of this post:
"I wonder if those Xenoblade pirates could have been actual sales, had Nintendo got their fucking head out of their anus."
Yeah, never said that, you pretentious little child. So, the next time you think you should tell someone what you think about their statement, before you go feeling like a big boy standing on your soapbox, I'd take the time to master how to fucking READ. Might help you out there, bucko. Just a friendly tip.
Oh, and secondly, I bet the amount of pirated copies of Xenoblade wouldn't have been so high had the game actually been released here. I mean, you go to all the trouble to translate it and give it British English voiceovers...yeah, I can safely say that would have probably been worth trying, if only to recoup some of that cost by expanding the scope of the release to cater to the widest possible English-speaking userbase.
I don't pirate games. Not unless it's a ROM of Super Metroid, at which point, Nintendo is doing nothing but making pure profit off of a seventeen-year-old game that they sold you for eight dollars all over again, one that you most likely can't take with you on either your DS or 3DS, and probably won't let you carry that purchase over to the WiiU, either. They also spend money localizing games and never release them where their actual paying fanbase is clamoring for them to do so, so they get tired of waiting and just say "fuck it" because it doesn't seem like the Big Red N gives two Big Red Shits about them.
In this case, I won't condone the act, but I wouldn't decry it either. Nintendo had the chance to make money on that game, and they specifically chose not to. I won't hear of any bitching on their part when it comes to this, because if the sales numbers of Zelda are any indication, they could have made a fucking killing on Xenoblade.
But nooooooooooooooo.
I don't pirate games. Not unless it's a ROM of Super Metroid, at which point, Nintendo is doing nothing but making pure profit off of a seventeen-year-old game that they sold you for eight dollars all over again, one that you most likely can't take with you on either your DS or 3DS, and probably won't let you carry that purchase over to the WiiU, either. They also spend money localizing games and never release them where their actual paying fanbase is clamoring for them to do so, so they get tired of waiting and just say "fuck it" because it doesn't seem like the Big Red N gives two Big Red Shits about them.
In this case, I won't condone the act, but I wouldn't decry it either. Nintendo had the chance to make money on that game, and they specifically chose not to. I won't hear of any bitching on their part when it comes to this, because if the sales numbers of Zelda are any indication, they could have made a fucking killing on Xenoblade.
But nooooooooooooooo.
Let's see...
#1. Severe consolitis, pulled from Steam and made Origin only.
#2. It's Call of Duty, after the point Activision decreed that PC wasn't worth optimizing.
#3. Origin
The top 3 don't surprise me one bit at all. The people who pirated Portal 2 are bad and should feel bad though.
#1. Severe consolitis, pulled from Steam and made Origin only.
#2. It's Call of Duty, after the point Activision decreed that PC wasn't worth optimizing.
#3. Origin
The top 3 don't surprise me one bit at all. The people who pirated Portal 2 are bad and should feel bad though.
But some of those download figures also consists of the so called "Pirates-With-Soul", where they Pirate a game, try it out and if its good they buy it.
Nevertheless, PC piracy is quite alarming !
Nevertheless, PC piracy is quite alarming !
Even though I liked Crysis 2 quite a lot, TheNephilym's comment just made me lose my shit. Thank you, good sir :)
With numbers like no wonder SOPA exists. Gamers whine and bitch about SOPA, but forget they are part of the problem.
maybe I'm an idiot, but how the flying fuck do you pirate console games? burn them to a disc?
I thought piracy was a PC thing
I thought piracy was a PC thing
Interesting, looks like piracy on the PC went down from 2010, shoot even 2009 had a higher pirated game in MW2. This appears to be the first time that piracy amongst major releases slowed down, albeit very little.
@Amazing Shenazin
I'm gonna blow your mind with this one, but you can pirate books too! And to answer your question you mod.
@Amazing Shenazin
I'm gonna blow your mind with this one, but you can pirate books too! And to answer your question you mod.
These numbers are ways a tricky figure.
Since in no way do these number equal that many lost sales.
Though knowing the actually number of pirates to them buying copies sure as hell will never happen.
Since in no way do these number equal that many lost sales.
Though knowing the actually number of pirates to them buying copies sure as hell will never happen.
Ok now as some one who use to make money selling pirated software I can tell you now the xbox360 has higher piracy then even these stats show. Would you like to know on average how may copys of a game i could sell 30+ almost 50+ of the top AAA games.
Why people pirated Portal 2, the game is effin awesome, got a free DLC and the price is always downgraded to better, people really are crazy
Mario Sports Mix > Every Xbox game
lolwut
But yeah, I hadn't realised how atrocious the figures were. It's a shame for PC gamers.
lolwut
But yeah, I hadn't realised how atrocious the figures were. It's a shame for PC gamers.
I used to pirate (but then I took an arrow to the knee har har), but then I saw how indirectly, my pirating is fucking other people over with making DRM more prevalent and forcing developers to shut down, and I couldn't morally continue.
i hope crysis 2 made crytak and EA lose money, you cant lose all the physics, destruction that made crysis so fun. I drove a tank into lamp post and the lamp post owned my tank, WTF. In crysis 2 i cant punch people in the face after hearing a robot tell me maxium stregth. Why? crytek why did you do it?
@respawnIN10
You do realize most game requirements only list one card from each GPU manufacturer, right?
For example, Nvidia 560ti and ATI HD6950.
Now what do you suppose people have to do if they don't own one of those cards?
There are places like "canyourunit" but anybody who's actually tried that site knows it can't figure out shit.
Yea, he said he downloaded the game but he hated it and delete it and didn't buy it. So where's the harm in that? I guess he should of just shitted out $60 bucks on a game he didn't even like, right?
I'm against piracy as much as the other guy but for things like seeing if it will run or trying it as a demo if one isn't available is not stealing, it's being a good consumer and making sure you don't waste your money on something that might not work or you may not like.
You do realize most game requirements only list one card from each GPU manufacturer, right?
For example, Nvidia 560ti and ATI HD6950.
Now what do you suppose people have to do if they don't own one of those cards?
There are places like "canyourunit" but anybody who's actually tried that site knows it can't figure out shit.
Yea, he said he downloaded the game but he hated it and delete it and didn't buy it. So where's the harm in that? I guess he should of just shitted out $60 bucks on a game he didn't even like, right?
I'm against piracy as much as the other guy but for things like seeing if it will run or trying it as a demo if one isn't available is not stealing, it's being a good consumer and making sure you don't waste your money on something that might not work or you may not like.
The thing about piracy: most people pirate because they don't have enough funds to purchase the games. Is this right? No. You shouldn't be worried about having things if you haven't the money to spend on it.
Interesting note: Those numbers up there aren't lost sales. Their pirated copies. I highly doubt many of those people would have purchased the game if they couldn't have pirated it.
Interesting note: Those numbers up there aren't lost sales. Their pirated copies. I highly doubt many of those people would have purchased the game if they couldn't have pirated it.
@Lowlander2
I'm usually a pretty chill dude. I just have massive issues with being spoken down to with no real logic behind why I'm being spoken to that way. If I had said something that totally supported piracy, I'd expect that response, but my quote was my entire comment.
Also, I can't stand it when a company doesn't listen to the people that pay them.
I'm usually a pretty chill dude. I just have massive issues with being spoken down to with no real logic behind why I'm being spoken to that way. If I had said something that totally supported piracy, I'd expect that response, but my quote was my entire comment.
Also, I can't stand it when a company doesn't listen to the people that pay them.
This may sounds kind of ignorant, but pirating stuff like Crysis and CoD doesn't seem as a atrocious as pirating, say, Serious Sam 3 or the stuff in the Humble Indie Bundle. It still is piracy, don't get me wrong, but if a game is guaranteed to sell approximately five bajillion-zillion (that may still be a conservative estimate) copies, maybe it's less bad for that comparatively small number, when held in comparison to those who purchased it at least, to torrent the games. Plus, and this is on a baser level: if we really want to show Activision and EA that we won't tolerate their bullshit, what better way than to demonstrate our want for the games, but unwillingness to deal with their atrocious DRM and other hassles. That way, they'll know we want their product, but not their policies.
It is a shame to see Xenoblades get downloaded so much, though. I'm afraid that it will kill the interest when it's actually released, prompting Reggie Fils-Aime to waggle his tongue at us and say, "Told ya so!"
It is a shame to see Xenoblades get downloaded so much, though. I'm afraid that it will kill the interest when it's actually released, prompting Reggie Fils-Aime to waggle his tongue at us and say, "Told ya so!"
This may sounds kind of ignorant, but pirating stuff like Crysis and CoD doesn't seem as a atrocious as pirating, say, Serious Sam 3 or the stuff in the Humble Indie Bundle. It still is piracy, don't get me wrong, but if a game is guaranteed to sell approximately five bajillion-zillion (that may still be a conservative estimate) copies, maybe it's less bad for that comparatively small number, when held in comparison to those who purchased it at least, to torrent the games. Plus, and this is on a baser level: if we really want to show Activision and EA that we won't tolerate their bullshit, what better way than to demonstrate our want for the games, but unwillingness to deal with their atrocious DRM and other hassles. That way, they'll know we want their product, but not their policies.
It is a shame to see Xenoblades get downloaded so much, though. I'm afraid that it will kill the interest when it's actually released, prompting Reggie Fils-Aime to waggle his tongue at us and say, "Told ya so!"
It is a shame to see Xenoblades get downloaded so much, though. I'm afraid that it will kill the interest when it's actually released, prompting Reggie Fils-Aime to waggle his tongue at us and say, "Told ya so!"
Steam has changed me from one who would have been more prone to the idea of game piracy... to a regular customer. I've spent several hundred dollars on games this year through steam because of deals...
Why would anyone pay 60$+ for tons of video games if you can just wait for a deal and grab it? Granted, I did pay full price for a few games that I had to have (Skyrim...) but for the majority of games I can't justify spending 60$+ for something I don't *have* to have...
And with Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo having absolutely ludicrous prices on their DLC that go on sale less than once a year (per game, usually) and NEVER seem to drop in price. I have seen them start to go to a 20$ model for old games... but it's still to expensive for my tastes. I've already bought all the games I really want to play. I'm not taking a chance on crap that came out years ago that doesn't fall into my gaming niche.
Why would anyone pay 60$+ for tons of video games if you can just wait for a deal and grab it? Granted, I did pay full price for a few games that I had to have (Skyrim...) but for the majority of games I can't justify spending 60$+ for something I don't *have* to have...
And with Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo having absolutely ludicrous prices on their DLC that go on sale less than once a year (per game, usually) and NEVER seem to drop in price. I have seen them start to go to a 20$ model for old games... but it's still to expensive for my tastes. I've already bought all the games I really want to play. I'm not taking a chance on crap that came out years ago that doesn't fall into my gaming niche.
@ Jeslijar: I, too, discovered the benefits of Steam this year. For a while there, I was very prone to piracy, but when I realized that both Steam and GOG.com had amazing deals on most the games I was liable to pirate, I uninstalled all of my pirated games and started purchasing my PC software.
I'm sorry, but some developers hardly ever make it to a million mark. To discount 3 freaking million pirated copies alone is just pathetic. Just goes to show you how warped the "I'm just one person" mentality is.
"Piracy is killing the industry."
This is the biggest lie anyone could tell on a gaming site. The gaming industry has been growing at an extremely rapid pace ever since its inception and even during our economic down times the industry is still exploding with no end in sight. This is the same exact thing that was said when recordable tapes came out for movies and music. In gaming, I'm sure everyone remembers "don't copy that floppy".
The only legit argument against piracy is the lack of support for the developers who worked hard on bringing everyone the product. It's not theft and it's not killing the industry (and it probably doesn't hurt the industry).
This is the biggest lie anyone could tell on a gaming site. The gaming industry has been growing at an extremely rapid pace ever since its inception and even during our economic down times the industry is still exploding with no end in sight. This is the same exact thing that was said when recordable tapes came out for movies and music. In gaming, I'm sure everyone remembers "don't copy that floppy".
The only legit argument against piracy is the lack of support for the developers who worked hard on bringing everyone the product. It's not theft and it's not killing the industry (and it probably doesn't hurt the industry).
bustaballs:Even if it isn't killing the industry, it still hurts it. Pirates are low life scum who feel entitled. THe majority of pirates never buy a copy of the game later, like some people do.(pirate it now, pay later) I don't have much money, but thievery is still thievery. Looking at Crysis 2, that's millions upon millions that was lost. Those millions who pirated that game most likely pirate others as well. If you worked for 20 dollars an hour, but only received 12 dollars an hour, you'd be going WTF as well. You won't die with 12 dollars, but youj may be discouraged from working there ever again.
Seeing that Xenoblade number makes me a sad panda ......
But the question I have is how do they determine a "download" It it an attempt to download or is it a completed download? How many of those people connected through several IP addresses during their download of the game?
This is good for trending but I certainly don't trust those numbers explicitly.
But the question I have is how do they determine a "download" It it an attempt to download or is it a completed download? How many of those people connected through several IP addresses during their download of the game?
This is good for trending but I certainly don't trust those numbers explicitly.
Y'know... I wonder how many of those Wii games were downloaded by PC gamers. If you take out all the folks using Dolphin to play Wii games, I bet those numbers would drop by at least half.
@MrAndy Dixon
You're welcome! I was just fucking around, though. It's not all that bad. :)
@MrAndy Dixon
You're welcome! I was just fucking around, though. It's not all that bad. :)
My guess is that there's a LOT of overlap in PC pirating. I'm pretty sure that anyone who pirated 1 of those games on the list almost definitely pirated others.
I used to pirate way back when, but when games are affordable and as accessible as they are on steam, I find myself just buying them. I never buy games when they are $60 because I generally can't afford it, but I will buy them when they are randomly half off on steam
@Tahiri:
Prices won't go down if piracy goes down. Some companies use piracy as an excuse for prices, but price points are about maximizing profits based on what consumers are willing to pay. (Piracy explosions don't appear to make prices go up, either. Nintendo didn't raise Wii game prices after piracy exploded on the system. Xbox and Playstation games went to $60 because companies found that people were willing to pay $60, with no relation to console piracy. Some PC games went up because publishers started testing whether people would pay console prices for PC releases.)
If piracy vanished overnight, companies wouldn't remove their anti-piracy measures, so there is no cost savings there.
If piracy vanished overnight and sales went up across the board, companies would go "Wow, we are making more money." Making even more sales at current prices, they'd see little reason to lower prices. Heck, if sales went up enough, they might even consider raising prices further.
Also consider PC gaming through Steam and some other online stores. Steam cuts games to 50% for holidays and 75% for special sales. GamersGate and Good Old Games do price slashing sales as well, though not at the sheer scale of Steam. Steam gave away Portal 1 for free for one day. Humble Indie Bundles let you pay what you want for multiple games, and toss in even more games if you pay around $5. These kinds of price cuts exist in the current world of piracy. It is the consoles and publishers like EA that see a strict adherence to high release prices, and again that has nothing to do with piracy.
Prices won't go down if piracy goes down. Some companies use piracy as an excuse for prices, but price points are about maximizing profits based on what consumers are willing to pay. (Piracy explosions don't appear to make prices go up, either. Nintendo didn't raise Wii game prices after piracy exploded on the system. Xbox and Playstation games went to $60 because companies found that people were willing to pay $60, with no relation to console piracy. Some PC games went up because publishers started testing whether people would pay console prices for PC releases.)
If piracy vanished overnight, companies wouldn't remove their anti-piracy measures, so there is no cost savings there.
If piracy vanished overnight and sales went up across the board, companies would go "Wow, we are making more money." Making even more sales at current prices, they'd see little reason to lower prices. Heck, if sales went up enough, they might even consider raising prices further.
Also consider PC gaming through Steam and some other online stores. Steam cuts games to 50% for holidays and 75% for special sales. GamersGate and Good Old Games do price slashing sales as well, though not at the sheer scale of Steam. Steam gave away Portal 1 for free for one day. Humble Indie Bundles let you pay what you want for multiple games, and toss in even more games if you pay around $5. These kinds of price cuts exist in the current world of piracy. It is the consoles and publishers like EA that see a strict adherence to high release prices, and again that has nothing to do with piracy.
I recall seeing a lot of companies (like, really small ones, not just big boys) claiming figures MUCH higher than these. I wonder where the truth lies. I wonder if the truth is even possible to figure out.
I pirated Portal 2 because Sony derped out and I couldn't activate my PC copy.
I honestly bought P2 on console simply so that co-op would be easier if my friends came over.
I'd wager that >30% of the Portal 2 pirates were in my boat, and a similar number of the Crysis 2 pirates simply wanted to use it as a benchmark, considering that there is no demo as far as I know.
I honestly bought P2 on console simply so that co-op would be easier if my friends came over.
I'd wager that >30% of the Portal 2 pirates were in my boat, and a similar number of the Crysis 2 pirates simply wanted to use it as a benchmark, considering that there is no demo as far as I know.
@RaginDude: Because people just don't give a crap. It's that simple. Virtually no consequences for getting as many games as you can play for free? If I didn't give a crap I'd sign up right away.
As to the Pc vs console piracy debate. Bear in mind that these numbers are not percentages but totals. If you lumped all the consoles into one category, they'd likely be similar. The wii market is smaller than the entire PC market and thus it is not terribly surprising there is few TOTAL piracy.
It's difficult to tell without the information of how many users of each we're talking about.
It's difficult to tell without the information of how many users of each we're talking about.
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