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More bitching about pre-owned games from David Braben photo

Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to re-introduce you to David Braben. The Frontier Developments boss has already slammed pre-owned games in the past, falsely claiming that other industries don't tolerate the practice and asking for retail chains to replace pre-owned titles with a rental service.

Well, he's at it again: "I think it's really damaging to the single-player experience," whines Braben. "Games like BioShock and Assassin's Creed, where they're perfectly valid games, but once you've played them they go into the pre-owned section.

"The sales don't reflect the actual sales of people playing them because someone has gone out and bought, at almost the same price, a pre-owned copy because they couldn't get an original," he said. "It's very frustrating that they don't carry that stock any more." Braben also once again asks for a "genuine rental market," believing that cheap rentals would be an adequate replacement for pre-owned games. 

The fact of the matter is, and I guess I need to repeat myself for those publishers at the back of the class -- used sales are a part of life. Someone buys a product, someone finishes the product, someone sells the product on. You may claim to still "own" a videogame after purchase, but that is never going to work in practice until digital distribution takes hold. So suck it up like every other industry, stop getting greedy, and patiently wait until the download market gives you the stranglehold on game sales that you so desperately crave.








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Monco Vega's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 05:32
Monco Vega
Typical... he should be happy that people are buying his damn games instead of just downloading them, greedy ass gold hoarding shit.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 05:47
Timmeh
"The sales don't reflect the actual sales of people playing them because someone has gone out and bought, at almost the same price, a pre-owned copy because they couldn't get an original"

This is what annoys me, just outright lying about things. I can honestly say I've never bought a used game at anywhere near full price, nor because a new copy wasn't available.

Greedy little cuntflap.

Do these people not understand that antagonising your customer base with statements like "All you're buying is a license" or "You should pay £40-50 for every game you buy" just make you look bad and encourages the attitude that it's okay to pirate because the industry is full of money grubbing fat cat assholes?
topcow's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 06:16
topcow
Here's my answer to you David:

ONLY SELL YOUR GAMES VIA DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION

Problems solved.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 06:29
Clance
Why can't people just be happy that theri art is reaching a wider audience? People who won't neccessarily be able to fork out full-price?

Imagine a single mum, struggling with her shopping, coming across a pre-owned game that she thinks her kid would like and picking it up because it's half the price of the others. Doesn't this warm your heart?
PrimetimeFool's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 06:47
PrimetimeFool
I do have some sympathy for this guy, after all it's not like the music industry where no one gets the money out of leeching off something someone bought.

Gamestop's entire business model revolves around it, meaning that the developers are getting shafted while some ginormous soulless company has an infinite loop of profit off of their game.

Normally I'm not for that whole "If you can't have it, no one can" philosophy but when we're talking about devs vs. Gamestop, I'm siding with the devs.
KaL YoshiKa's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 06:48
KaL YoshiKa
@ Clance
Until the Dev team gets fired cause they're game didn't reach forecasted sales and then their kids get to have an imaginary Christmas :/

In seriousness though this guy is a colossal bag. I can understanding wanting to make some deserved cash if a game is but good blaming it on pre-owned sales is crazy. Although probably more valid then the piracy argument as these are at least sales rather then hypothetical purchases on an spreadsheet.
OutrageousToob's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 07:06
OutrageousToob
He needs to stop his bitching. I believe that I'll be done gaming once digital distribution kicks in full swing. I just can't justify spending money on something non-tangible. I don't care how much money it save the publishers and developers; not my problem.
auntnadia's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 07:42
auntnadia
how is it not like the music industry??

i frequently buy old vinyl and cd's, the proceeds of which go entirely to my freindly record shop owner. the main difference being that the vinyl doesn't self destruct after 3 plays.

i agree that preowned games are too expensive though. if the license is what keeps the price high, this should be taken off the price altogether for preowned, as it's been payed for already.

my conclusion: Braben is a greedy monkey.
RJG's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 07:43
RJG
Better bitching about use dgames than piracy. While it's arguable that pirates won't buy games anyway so it's not a lost sale, the fact is someone buying a used game is a lost sale, ergo used games are more of a problem than piracy.

Of course, small print runs don't help either. I'm sure Atlus would like to be more than the second hand market's favourite bitch.
DrXym's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 08:09
DrXym
There is a way to prevent pre-owned games - sell your game either online, or ship it with a unique online registration code. Either will comfortably put paid to second hand sales and virtually all piracy too. Of course if companies did this, they should drop their prices, considering they've just stamped all over user's rights to sell their games when they're done with them. Seems like a fair trade to me. The problem of course is that companies are greedy so a game on Steam often costs more than it does for a physical copy.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 08:31
Timmeh
DrXym: Just no. Companies already use online activation. Have you not heard that online activation isn't particularly popular?

I don't want to be told how many times I can install the game, then have to ask permission to be able to play it and one day end up with a fucking coaster because the process stops working.

Mandatory online activation and all the shit that goes with it is one of the worst things to be introduced to PC gaming ever. Period.
loquax's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 08:32
loquax
When physical media storage dies out in the next twenty years, it won't be a problem any more. Until then, somebody should do a study on the "least traded-in" video games, and use them as models. I think it has something to do with replay value. In general, DS games are designed to be pick-up-and-play, with high replayability. Is this why the trade-in DS section is always so tiny compared to everything else? I mean, I thought the DS sold way more software than trade-in suggests. Just another reason why Iwata is laughing all the way to the bank - nobody trades in his games.
amalgamut00's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 08:36
amalgamut00
I just traded in a bunch of games to get TNA Impact. A part of me is wishing I kept those games, but when I got $29.50 for my copy of MGS4 (that's more than the video says from the GameStop bitcher) I was happy.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 09:01
hpv
Until he releases Frontier 3: Elite 4 as a physical game that CAN be bought used I'd really like to see David Braben shut the fuck up. I already paid $10 for his 3 hour game that I will own forever and ever without being able to sell and he's making me regret it, even though I like the game.
Max Power's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 09:06
Max Power
I mostly get my games via Amazon Marketplace from small-time retailers clearing out their stock. This way, I get relatively recent games, new, at around a third of the original price. Just like bargain bin, but without having to sift through a layer of shit to get to the good games.

But you know what, I expect this cunt to have a problem with that, too. Waah waah, he's not paying full price. We can't make quality entertainment (such as RollerCoaster Tycoon or Thrillville: Off the Rails, thank you, Frontier Developments) at this rate.
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 10:19
wardrox
but if we buy a second hand game, they don't make any money! Can't you see where this is heading? Soon we will have a world where 1 person buys the game, and we all just take it in turn!
JustLikeBuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 10:35
JustLikeBuck
I',m still waiting for my First-Hand copy of Elite 4. STFU and give me my Bernard's Star!
CosmicQueso's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 10:45
CosmicQueso
If being "greedy" means wanting to maximize one's return on work done, then consider me greedy too. The guy wants to get paid the most he can for the product he puts out. Truly shocking!
dtomek's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 10:55
dtomek
I still adhere that there is Some validity in this. The quality of a used game is just as good as a new version of the game assuming it is playable. What other industry produces non-degrading goods? Movies I suppose but those are hardly worth trading in, might as well have just rented it in the first place.
Gamestop and CO make a raping of a profit on used games, none of which a developer sees.
xenon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 11:37
xenon
All true, article and comments. But it's true that retailers' margins on used games are huge and completely undeserved. I think it's an evident market distortion. Also, product degradation is only cosmetic, after all. That's a relevant difference.
Max Power's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 11:43
Max Power
@dtomek: Software on physical mediums degrades. Or, more precisely, the medium degrades. You want an analogy apart from movies? Books. Did anyone ever hear Random House, Macmillan, or Penguin Books bitch and moan about libraries or second-hand book stores? You didn't because they don't bitch. God damn libraries...they're Communists, I tell you!

Gamestop, on the other hand, get away with their filthy trade-in crap because their customers put up with it. I don't know why, though, because I'm not trading in my games for a tenner to get 5% off full price for a used game that someone already used as a coaster. If I buy used, I buy from the previous owner. Period.
Max Power's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 11:52
Max Power
Errr, to clarify my GameStop sentence in the post above(It just looks stupid up there):
1. I'm not willing to part with my games for ten measly somethings when I know full well that they resell them for forty to fifty moneys.
2. I'm also not in the mood to buy used games with a shitty insulting discount of some 5-10% that sometimes come with scratched disks and tattered/stained manuals as bonus material.
3. Cocks
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 13:09
king3vbo
Digital Distribution is the answer to his problem then
akathatoneguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 14:20
akathatoneguy
While his facts may be off, why would any person in the video game business be FOR pre-owned games? Is this really news? Hey, late-breaking news, people in the entertainment business would rather have your money go to them than some other schmuck! Wow!

We all want great games, but not everyone wants to pay for them. Unless you're getting a significant discount by buying used, why not buy new and support the industry itself, and not some filthy used game store like GameStop. If you're going to buy used at least do it from a local mom-and-pop store or something, or from a poor college student down the hall.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 15:10
Sharpless
@king3vbo
Getting his head out of his ass and shutting the fuck up is the answer to his problem.
Fana7ic's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 15:20
Fana7ic
Dear David, Go F*ck yourself
auntnadia's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2008 17:17
auntnadia
amen
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