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Moore, Satchel hop aboard Sony bash bandwagon photo

You did it. I did it. Our neighbours did it. Hell, my dad did it (and he doesn't know squat about gaming). Now Microsoft's doing it, too. In an exclusive interview with GamesIndustry.biz, Microsoft's Peter Moore and Chris Satchell grabbed an opportunity to take a couple of cheap shots at Sony while they weren't in a position to retaliate.

"It's going to take [Sony] a couple of years to get up to speed on this, and I'm not sure that they necessarily have the talent, or it's built into who they are as a company," Moore said.

"They're struggling with some of their hardware issues, and apparently they're going to deliver another five million in the next 90 days. But this business is about hardware, software and services now. And the consumer expects that."

Can't say I disagree there. After all, don't we always say it's all about the games? But if you think this is good, read on for what Satchell had to say:

"If I wanted to make my online service better, and I wanted to give [Sony] a little piece of advice, it would be to copy Xbox Live a little more closely," he said.

"My honest opinion is that it's pretty much a disaster. They keep saying that they have a free service. Well, if they don't have anything, of course it's free. And you know what: what's free about $600?"

Ooooh, burn. I think he just voiced the sentiments of a million people across the globe there. Normally I'd complain about how corporations have nothing better to do than downplay each other, but this time I'll let it pass. 15-0. Service with Microsoft.

[Update: The full interview with Peter Moore can be read here.]








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Topher Cantler's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 10:15
Topher Cantler
Ouch. Pwned.
for the aeon of the hallowed's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 10:19
for the aeon of the hallowed
maybe i'm an idiot, but what's with all this also cocks business at the dtoid lately? WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?!

and yea, ouch.
dorock's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 10:23
dorock
@for the aeon of the hallowed
http://alsococks.ytmnd.com/

or listen to the podtoid 12. I believe


At least Moore has a bit more tact to his comments, other than just coming out and saying XBOX LIVE IS AMAZING
CaffeinePowered's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 10:25
CaffeinePowered
Ouch, sick burn

Also Cocks comes from YTMND, its kind of like ending a bad story with 'And then I found $5'

I wonder if Nintendo will take a jab at them too, or if they really even need to.
Lider's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 10:28
Lider
Microsoft would be in position to smack talk if the 360 was actually a high quality that can work great for years nad not something that dies within less than a year. You know, 2 primium xboxes are more expensive than a PS3. ;P
garder's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 10:39
garder
Right now sony is antelope and microsoft is a cheetah its just a mad feeding frenzy and sony the maincourse. Now the question is will the carrion nintendo birds pick of the meat left on the bones?
zizzy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 10:41
zizzy
Micrsoft tries to insult their competitor, ans succeeds without making stuff up. All the times Sony has tried that shit has just fallen out of their mouths
Hipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 10:53
Hipple
wow, gamez, maybe no more alcohol before noon tommorow, ok?
Chris Taran's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 10:55
Chris Taran
rolls eyes @ gamez1...
Toneman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 10:57
Toneman
Not again......
Ishaan's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 10:59
Ishaan
I'm not going to ban or delete this guy's comments. It's a slow news morning, so he can provide amusement for us all.
Toneman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:00
Toneman
Good plan Ishaan.
Cruds's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:00
Cruds
he could be fun if he was not repeating him self all the time.
zwanster's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:02
zwanster
I don't quite understand why people like gamez1 (he must be a hardcore gamer, because his username has the word "game" in it) get so worked up about this kind of stuff, jeez anyone would think you own $ony or something.
Hipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:03
Hipple
i think gamez is actually peter moore, trying to make Sony fanboys look like dumbasses
Ha-Puken's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:04
Ha-Puken
kind of true... Can't say that I agree with the bashing of Sony's "talent". Nothing wrong with a little shit talkin', but be proffesional about it...
Toneman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:04
Toneman
I he done? Damn. Maybe we can get him back.

Hey gamez1! I heard that the PS3 has the worst graphics ever and they explode all the time!!!
Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:04
Justice
calm down dude... people have opinionsm, some like him some don't, but it's no reason to rant on.
Cruds's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:06
Cruds
Anyway what is with these executives that wanna outsmart each other verbally.

here is what Kaz had to say about the Wii:
"A worldwide launch for any console is quite ambitious. In fact, it has never been done before. I suppose if we had simply done a mild upgrade to the PS2 and not pushed the envelope so hard, it would have been easier on ourselves. However, if we did that every time, we wouldn't be Sony."
link
Yshaana's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:07
Yshaana
Toneman >> PS3 has Exploding graphics ? That's kinda cool. Like a fireforks simulator.
bhive01's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:07
bhive01
lol. It's a business verbally attacking another. PS3's online will improve. Will it improve enough to take back some market share? Only time will tell. The hardware is there, but as many have said Sony isn't really home.

As far as attacks by Ninty? I think that would be bad since the online experience with the Wii is not much better than the PS3s. Hell the weather channel is behind by 12 h or more, the news channel still isn't there. Friend codes suck. There's no invite system. No online game (or VC titles). VC titles aren't anything new and cost too much. So on and so forth.

At the moment I'd say that the 360 is sitting pretty. Moore may be an ass Gamez1, but, for now, he is correct.
Ha-Puken's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:14
Ha-Puken
@Yshaana
I think that you are talking about a little beauty called Fantavision! What a peice of...
CaffeinePowered's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:15
CaffeinePowered
Fanboys are funny
Hipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:17
Hipple
I HEARD THE PLAYCRAPTION 3 SHOT SOME LITTLE KID IN IOWA.

THE CRAPNESS OF THE SUCKSTATION 3 IS PALPABLE
Cruds's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:21
Cruds
that right and Ken Kutaragi = Yoda.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:22
BlindsideDork
The Evil Empire is Walmart, not Micro$oft!

Get with the program.
Toneman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:23
Toneman
I don't remember the Emperor ever donating millions of dollars to charities. Did I miss one of the movies?
galagabug 's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:31
galagabug
yeah, after the deathstar was destroyed, the empire used all salvagable parts to build a shelter for abandoned puppies.
Axle's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:34
Axle
I love it when Gamez1 comes on Dtoid. Can't we have more like him?

By the way, can someone tell me what a cueball is? Apart from playing sports where you knock balls into pockets?
Dennen's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 11:40
Dennen
I would say that most companies have no basis to stand on. They'll take their small jabs now before the war has truely begun, knowing that come 3 or 4 years down the road - no one truely knows who will be leading the pack. Just as Microsoft did, nothing is perfect at launch - and over the course of a year Xbox Live has become what it is.. To assume that the only option for an online service is to copy Microsoft is just plain arrogance with a dash of failure to plan for the future on the side... For me, marks up as bad PR. From my own 360 experience, they aren't in much of a position to smacktalk.
Topher Cantler's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 12:11
Topher Cantler
Ah, Jeez, not him again.
CaffeinePowered's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 12:20
CaffeinePowered
@Axle

A cueball would be someone who is bald or balding, which Peter Moore is, but cueball tends to be used as a deragatory term
Joseph's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 12:40
Joseph
This really is not new from microsoft. If you have been reading ozymandius.com you'll see that this is pretty much par for the course on MS's part.

MS really thinks they won it all. It doesn't matter to them what sony and nintedno do anymore. It makes the Sony execs look a like a paragon of restraint and virtue.

Now an MS executive is making the distinction between shipped and sold :) Wow no double speak on the Xbox360 numbers there.

Sure and also Sony can't set up a multiple massive user servers. You know like the ones everquest and SWG run on. It's not in their "DNA" to develop products they already have.

SunTzu's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 12:44
SunTzu
I hope Moore doesn't go after Nintendo next. I don't want to see him knifed by Reggie...
Ballistic90's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 12:50
Ballistic90
Microsoft does have reason to smack talk, and so does Nintendo. One of the big reasons Sony really took of with the PS2 was the timing, being the first one out, but still with very capable hardware. Now, they don't really have that same advantage. In fact, they're already beginning to falter. you can find PS3s on the shelves, and they still didn't ship anywhere near as many as Nintendo has shipped Wiis. Microsoft is in a good position, and they might have more to fear from Nintendo than Sony.

That is, if things stay the exact same. They rarely ever do, though.
Joseph's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 13:12
Joseph
Ahh the whole units on the shelves bit.:)

Makes me smile when people say that.

Sony may have actually oh fixed the production problems they were having?

Everytime I see a PS3 in my area it gets sold. I check back and sometime I see a single 20gb unit and sometimes it's a 60. Some times the boxes have bent cornors of shipping marks then they don't. The PS3's ARE selling.

Right now it seems that Sony is doing better at manfacturing than Nintendo is. After the initial glut of Wii they haven't been able to meet demand. I'd wager to say that they have NOT been selling 2 million units a month.

So go for it. Point to a stack of PS3's available in Colorado after a massive snowstorm and PROVE that the ps3 isn't selling.

It wouldn't be insane to think that Sony is selling around 300-500k units a month.
subnet6's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 13:13
subnet6
I would call gamez1 crazy but he might come back with something about me being stupid because I don't have access to his unsanctioned information and my mind is controlled by microsoft or something.
subnet6's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 13:24
subnet6
"So go for it. Point to a stack of PS3's available in Colorado after a massive snowstorm and PROVE that the ps3 isn't selling."

We don't even have to do that. Just listen to Sony themselves.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8MGL5000.htm

They say the have shipped 1 million units to North America since launch.

We know they sold 200K on launch day. That means they've shipped 800K since launch, and with units on the shelves we know they've sold less than that. So, Less than 800K sales in the 6 weeks following launch. Wow, thats almost 7 million per year. Hey if you are satisfied with gamecube sales numbers, then yeah, PS3 is doing just fine.
ceark's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 14:16
ceark
As much as I love my XBOX 360 games, I'll have to agree with an earlier post by some dude. 2 Xbox premiums are more expensive then a ps3. And the fact that I just happen to be the unlucky chump that's gone through 2 already==> 3 xbox premiums could buy 2 ps3's and a wii. Good games on the xbox, but fuck that cheap ass hardware. (I had bought a 3rd one, didn't open it though I returned it. I'll wait for on that's not made of paper to come out). On the other hand, my wii doesn't seem like it's gonna break anytime soon, and I think my ps3 deflects bullets (blatant reference to some online comic). Seriously though, I'm not being fanboy about this, I think the xbox360 has great games. I envy the 60% of 360 owners that haven't broken one.
Joseph's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 14:21
Joseph
You seem to forget that they shipped 1 million to North America.If the numbers you state are true then the PS3 is still having a stronger launch then the xbox360 did at the same point.

If they can keep up around the same sales in NA and world wide that would be around 50 million units shipped. More than enough to ensure that good games get made for the ps3 till it's demise.

The gamecube sold 11 million in NA over it's entire sales span. So 7 million a year crushes the gamecube.
Ballistic90's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 14:47
Ballistic90
Joseph, let's do some math.

Sony shipped 1 million PS3s to North America alone. They've SOLD a little over 1 million PS3s world wide.

That's a butt load of PS3s to be on the shelves.

Nintendo has sold nearly ever Wii ever made. That's over 3 million world wide.

You don't have to be a damn scientist to discover which number is bigger.
Ballistic90's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 14:50
Ballistic90
By the way, if people are physically seeing PS3s sitting on the shelves for days doesn't mean they're lying. By the same token, no one here can be sure if YOU'RE lying. Right now, you're taking a small region and applying it to North America, or even the world. So... are you're saying your opinion is more real than what people are seeing? Does your area represent the world? Not very likely.
Ballistic90's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 14:50
Ballistic90
But hey, don't let the truth get in your way. Sony doesn't.
ArrestedDeveloper's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 14:54
ArrestedDeveloper
I know I've seen stacks of ps3's. When I watch the stack for awhile I always see teenagers walking around, notice the ps3's and being amazed then they pick it up show it to someone with a comment like "I can't believe they have one" they hold it for a minute, then put it down and play the guitar hero demo.
Detry's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 14:59
Detry
SONY SUCKS LOL!!1one!1ELEVETY

HAHA I TOOK A HUGE DUMP THIS MORNING AND AM GOING TO SELL IT ON EBAY AS A PS3LOL!1

AND THEN I FOUND 5$
Joseph's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 15:02
Joseph
Ballistic
- It's not even certain that nintendo shipped much less sold 3 million Wii's. Nintendo also had big production issues that led to less than 2(1.2-1.8) million Wiis being sold by the end of the year, the xbox360 JUST edged it out.

The article rederenced above showed 1 million PS3 sold/shipped in NA. Around an equal number was sent world wide also. There just aren't THAT many Ps3's sitting around. I live in the LA metro area and the units sell quicky. Maybe some stores are having a hard time moving them but it isn't like every single retailer in NA has a stack of 10 unsold PS3's.
If there are around 40000+ retailers every store would need a stock like that to make up your number of 400k unsold PS3 units.

So use a bit of common sense before your fanboy instincts kick in. Yes Nintendo did sell more units. Just because nintendo is doing well doesn't mean that Sony is doing poorly.

Joseph's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 15:11
Joseph
Oh heck no. My region doesn't represnt the rest of the world.
The median income in LA is over 36k a year, 40k if you have kids. So people here are far more likely to be able to afford a $600 than the rest of America.

I do suppose you want to go down that slope though I mean what IS truth? Does seeing an unsold ps3 mean that Sony has failed?
Maybe the PS3s in boxes don't exist? I've never seen a wii out side of a demo kiosk, is it for sale?

When an argument breaks down it's always a convient straw man to attack the "truth" and say neither side can be right and neither side can be wrong. Sure it's easy enough to Google up the PS3 and Wii sales numbers but are they right? I mean how can you know you even exist?

You think therefore you are. When happens when you fall asleep, will you cease to exist? You can not prove that you will not.

subnet6's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 16:10
subnet6
How about this. No console in recent history has had large quantities sitting on shelves this close after launch. Since sony is only just barely meeting their SCALED BACK projections, according to their own statements, we know it's not because they are making so many. There's only one other option. That being: Demand lower than expectations. That's not good no matter how much existential fanboyisms you pile on top. No one is declaring success or failure at this point, we are simply commenting on the obvious. PS3 is not selling as well as ANYONE predicted. Spin away.
gamehunter101's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 16:13
gamehunter101
gamez1=THE MENTALITY OF SONY FANS
subnet6's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2007 16:19
subnet6
Also, I found a link. Gamecubes launch sales in North America were nearly identical to the PS3. Not bad. Not great, but not bad. Lets hope it doesn't stay on the gamecube path.

http://www.gamecubicle.com/specials-gamecube_sales_north_america_2001.htm
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