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Moore: ' I think the industry had past [sic] Rare by' photo

The former boss of the Xbox 360 (and Dreamcast) said some harsh things about UK developer Rare in the third part of The Guardian's interview with him. Moore was asked about the Xbox 360's strengths during his reign, and this somehow led him to talk about how he feels that Rare's skills are "not applicable in today's market".

"Microsoft, we'd had a tough time getting Rare back – Perfect Dark Zero was a launch title and didn't do as well as Perfect Dark… but we were trying all kinds of classic Rare stuff and unfortunately I think the industry had past Rare by – it's a strong statement but what they were good at, new consumers didn't care about anymore, and it was tough because they were trying very hard - Chris and Tim Stamper were still there – to try and recreate the glory years of Rare, which is the reason Microsoft paid a lot of money for them and I spent a lot of time getting on a train to Twycross to meet them."

"Great people. But their skillsets were from a different time and a different place and were not applicable in today's market."

Before the Rare fans out there get too defensive, note that Peter Moore was speaking in the past tense. Moore has nothing to do with the new Banjo Kazooie game, or anything else Rare is working on.

Do you think Rare has what it takes to get with the times? Me? I'm not so worried about them. Talent is talent, right?

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Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 09:23
Holyetheline
Rare is great. They'll be fine.
Sidar's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 09:25
Sidar
Sign a freaking contract With Nintendo and make Donkey kong country 4 >_<

Their games have been not as good lately.
I wonder if that had to do with Nintendo giving them feedback back in the days and how MS handles that.

"But their skillsets were from a different time and a different place and were not applicable in today's market."

I think this is a BS statement, as you are in the bizz you grow with it. Because lots of developers of today are from a different "time".
the Golden Avatar's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 09:28
the Golden Avatar
You should change all those Guardian quotes to "...industry had past [sic] Rare by..."
Dale North's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 09:40
Dale North
the Golden Avatar - yeah, we just were talking about that in the office
Myrmidon16's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 09:42
Myrmidon16
when he says "their skillsets were from a different time and a different place " he obviously means when they worked for nintendo. the only quality rare games came out on the 64, and hopefully Peter Moore's words will finally kick some sense into rare to come back!
menage's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 09:53
menage
Tell that to my girlfriend, Viva Pinata is getting destroyed by her. It's one of the few 60 bucks games on my 360 she actually plays, oh and DMC4.

It seriously has breaktrough potential, they're just selling it wrong.
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 09:57
CelicaCrazed
I'm sure Nuts & Bolts will be fine. But it's hard to be as good as you were when most of your team left.
TheGreatMango's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 10:16
TheGreatMango
Viva Pinata is super fun, though, and I know Nut & Bolts will sell, I'll buy it, and it comes with Banjo-Kazooie for free.


Also, when a game like Ratchet & Clank is owning the charts like it is, how can someone say that people don't want "what they are good at". They make platformers.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 10:27
BlindsideDork
So Peter Moore likes to talk poorly about his ex's? REAL mature!
klubjunkee's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 10:27
klubjunkee
Insomniac went from Ratchet to Resistance, Sucker Punch from Sly Cooper to Infamous and Naughty Dog from Crash Bandicoot/Jak & Daxter fame to Uncharted. They've all matured as gamers who've grown up playing there games have grown up. I still think RARE's games would have more success on Nintendo or even Sony consoles.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 10:32
king3vbo
Must... suppress... Rare fanboy rage.......
Zanch's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 10:41
Zanch
Rare's gonna be fine. The Viva Pinata games are excellent and I have high hopes for Banjo. And who knows, maybe someday they'll make a new Killer Instinct or Conker if we continue to support them.
bVork's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 10:56
bVork
I had written off Rare after their two mediocre Xbox outings and their lousy 360 launch titles. But then they released Viva Pinata and Jetpac Refuelled, showing that they still have that creative spark. I don't think Rare has anything to worry about.
scsitransfer's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 11:13
scsitransfer
I don't think Rare is the problem, I think Peter Moore is just a moron. (I'm still angry about what he did to the Dreamcast)
JustLikeBuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 11:19
JustLikeBuck
Why would you get too upset? Unless your a deaf fan-boy (is there any other kind), he's talking sense.

Rare haven't come up with anything near as decent(or major) since they left Nintendo.

Unfortunate, but I'm tired of us all giving them second chances with "Ooooh, new Banjo Kazooie, maybe they can finally port an IP from the Nintendo days without making it suck!"
rbrooks's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 11:27
rbrooks
This is actually a tough one to answer. In many respects i think it's true. There games are always good...but they are missing something every time. The hook, the x factor, whatever you want to call it. Hopefully the upcoming games succeed because i want to see them succeed.
AaronLindes Neighbor's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 11:40
AaronLindes Neighbor
Already got VP2, gonna pick up Nuts and Bolts. I say, the $40 point makes these games perfect, I was able to trade in The Simpsons, Civ Rev, and the old Viva Pinata and get the game for free and credit back.

More Co-op family fun time games please!
Mr B Natural's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 11:58
Mr B Natural
The industry hasn't passed anyone by...it hasn't moved in over 10+ years. Motion controls has been the only "movement" made and it has been shown how stupid and pointless that tech has been (not a single decent game beyond wiisports has implemented it well), though it makes lots and lots of money. Not sure if that's the tech's fault or the developer's urge to NOT MOVE. Doesn't matter, it only proves that this industry is a stale, static object sitting on a money nest.
Viva Pinata is one of the best games the 360 has to offer, but nobody cares because the 360 is "hardcore" and Microsoft doesn't market it for squat. If the game came out for the wii, well...it might turn out to be the next mario vs sonic olympics or a boombox. You never know. Oh wait, of course you do, it doesn't have mario in it. It'll flop...cause, it isn't keeping up with the times. haha.
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 12:34
Gameboi
Rare is a funny subject. We all loved what they did in the past, but that doesn't mean a whole heckuva lot in the present. I remember everyone going head over heels for Atari back in the day, too. Anyone still doing it? Sooner (rather than later), you need to pony up, and show us another line-up of great games with the rare name on them.
Dyson's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 12:49
Dyson
I remember someone I knew freaking out when Microsoft purchased Rare. At the time, I was like "So. They haven't made anything amazing since the N64 days. I think Nintendo made a good choice in selling them."
nikoiskhsn's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 13:01
nikoiskhsn
What would Denis Dyack say about this? Nintendo let Silicn Knights go as well. Also, Factor 5 was let go and all they came out with was Lair.
eternalplayer2345's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 14:03
eternalplayer2345
After grabbed by the ghoulies, pd0 and kameo. I am eager to see banjo become there salvation I really want the old rare back.
DarkSaint76's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 14:38
DarkSaint76
Rare's new games have been lacking lately. It's not that the market doesn't want the kind of games that they're making.
TrailerParkJesus's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 15:51
TrailerParkJesus
We don't know what else Rare is working on. There's Nuts and Bolts, the avatars, and that's all. They're probably got a bunch of top secret projects going on, or at least I hope they do. But you can't really count them out until they've released a ton of shit. So far they haven't.
CjnLion's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 17:33
CjnLion
I enjoyed Kameo plenty.
jamesesdad's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2008 19:34
jamesesdad
In my opinion rare hasn't put out a good game since perfect dark. Sure they have put out some decent games, but from what I have played the studio has gotten seriously off track. People need to realize that after Nintendo sold rare several key members of the development team left, and is why rare is not the same studio it was 10 years ago. It would seem to me that flat out buying up a studio is a poor idea, creating your own studio, with the true talent from other studios would be the best bet.
Cube's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/18/2008 01:20
Cube
Rare has not had anything decent since donkey kong country games on snes.

There N64 stuff sucked balls, except for Ki gold, (and really how hard could it be to screw up a srcade port).

Golden eye sucked balls and nobody into FPS cared about fps on a damn weak ass console when PC people where playing quake 2 online and had ground breaking UNreal engine games in like 1998 after that looked and played 60 fucking times better than even perfect dark they put out in 2000.

So who the fuck cared about rare or it's to lame console FPS? nobody but little kids and people too clueless to use a PC they think and still think it is the "BEst thing ever" when in fact it blows.

jet force gemni is total garbage.

donkey kong 64 is now a a even lamer mario clone that some how took everything bad from every 3d platfomer out at the time and turned into a collect a thon and some of the worst music on n64 (and that is saying somthing since the n64 hardware sounded like crap.)



No no after all that n64 crap they was improving on gamecube and xbox 360 there games are now at least decent to look at.
Cube's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/18/2008 01:23
Cube
OIH wait a minute I take that back there gamecube and xbox 360 stuff is decent.

I mean there playable and do not burn my eyes that much too look at it.

Hell there gamecube stuff even looked and sounded GOOD unlike the n64, and it was like playable liek there 16-bit stuff.

I mean it' like a fraking miracle.
Cube's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/18/2008 01:32
Cube
oh no wait never mind grabbed by the ghoules was total crap too, I take it back again I forgot about that.

And conker... well that is just better by the fact that it was no longer constrained by the poor designed n64 and it was still an average 8 out of ten game, that only lived what little life it had on it's s"hock value" od what it was doing.

much like the crappy mortal kombat games did, and now that it has wore of they still keep coming back thanks to there rose tinted glasses.
Krow's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/18/2008 02:14
Krow
@Cube

Someones' bitter.

They didn't develop for the Gamecube, they developed for the Xbox. Conker was on the N64. Perfect Dark was an amazing shooter because it had an engrossing story for it's time, unlike Quake 2, but much like Half-Life. (Though not on the same level of quality.) The Nintendo 64 Banjo Kazooie games feature some of gamings best music, graphics (at the time), and humorous writing.

Stop trolling.

You are an idiot.
Cube's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/18/2008 08:11
Cube
Some one was is even more of an idiot for not playing theere last damn game starfox adventures on gamecube that has the large RARE logo stamped on it.




god dude I don't that looks like some major gamecube coding to me.

Some of it might have even gotten into Conker remake on xbox OMG!>!

[imghttp://www.paylessgames.com/catalogimages/f0f301dd001a8538bafe59c2978conker-live-and-reloaded_full.jpg[/img]

Seriously do you even play the games you say are so good and or do not exist?


banjo kazooie sucked and it music was annoying as hell, it bunch of poorly mized banjo music that sounded even more crap on n64 than it would have in real life.

and if you think banjo looks good then you did not see any real GPU's on PC pumping out graphics at home since it was a freaking blocky mess even for a n64 game it looked bad.

and as for perfect dark played like crap, and it story was some for gettable lame ass story about aliens and some spy chick where I had to fairy some flying laptop alien or some junk around an office with AI gaurds as dumb as rocks and blury textures that all looked exctly the same on every level.

It is like the crappy libary level on halo 1 but for the whole game.


rare never was great there time passed and went after they did something nobody seen on the SNES in graphics and sound (not i am not imcluding good gameplay) and that was it, then they went down the toliet with nintendo during the n64 days, no wonder they are targeting other markets on wii now and dumped rare that was when sony and microsoft started walking all over them.
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