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Kinect is much more than an EyeToy although the Move is a blatant rip off of the Wiimote with a stupid ball on top.
They're different Kinect in that they work, cheap and desirable to a market.
That's why they're the same.
That's why they're the same.
Well yeah they're similar. I mean, it even comes with a nunchuck-like remote. Not like it matters to me, anyway. To me, if a company copies something from another company, and makes it better, I don't give a crap if it's unoriginal.
Also, LOL @ last sentence. ;P
Also, LOL @ last sentence. ;P
The Wii has had a fairly exclusive market for a long time. This is Playstation just hoping to grab some of that, which makes sense :/ I guess
Why the hate?
Sure we've all been saying this for ages but this is the first time we've heard from molyneux on his thoughts on the move.
I'm sure be knows its a common line of thought and I'm sure he knows he's saying what we are all thinking. From what I've read it doesn't seem like he's educating us, he's just giving his opinion.
Hate him or not he's entitled to do that.
Sure we've all been saying this for ages but this is the first time we've heard from molyneux on his thoughts on the move.
I'm sure be knows its a common line of thought and I'm sure he knows he's saying what we are all thinking. From what I've read it doesn't seem like he's educating us, he's just giving his opinion.
Hate him or not he's entitled to do that.
Funny thing is, if you just look at the "controller" part, sure Move looks pretty similar to the Wii, with Motion plus that is. But on top of that it has a not-far-off natal capable camera AS WELL!
That's the hardware, BUT when you look at the GAMES, Natal is FAR FAR FAR more like the Wii than Move is.
The word "waggle" makes me laugh, because it refers to the Wii's original "flick in a direction" method of control, something that is removed when you add motion plus, or in the Move, not an issue at all.
I personally am looking forward to taking what the Wii did right and getting it in my proper, grown up, super-cerial games.
Rather than taking what could be the most clever piece of controller tech (Natal) and making a bunch of Wii-like games for it.
Also, Move works like a 3D mouse. That's more than enough to sell me on it.
Ask yourself, what is the most popular genre among gamers?
It's got to be FPS games. It's not the be-all and end-all, but it's what a lot of us play the most of.
Move has shown with Killzone 3, Socom 4, and Time Crisis support that it fits the genre perfectly. How natal will work with FPS games is yet to be seen, despite "OMFGWTFBBQ Head Trackingz" speculation.
Wii is good.
Natal looks good (tech wise, not games wise, not by a long shot)
Move looks like Wii motion plus + Natal in one sexy package.
I want both a camera which can track my head, recognise my face, tell how old I am AND a 1:1 controller with buttons and an analogue stick, and i want these things on PROPER games on an HD console.
i'm pretty sold on Move.
Game have it down as £35 for the move stick and £25 for the Nav-con so I'm pretty chuffed that I'll be able to pick up everything I need for £60 as i already have the eye.
That's the hardware, BUT when you look at the GAMES, Natal is FAR FAR FAR more like the Wii than Move is.
The word "waggle" makes me laugh, because it refers to the Wii's original "flick in a direction" method of control, something that is removed when you add motion plus, or in the Move, not an issue at all.
I personally am looking forward to taking what the Wii did right and getting it in my proper, grown up, super-cerial games.
Rather than taking what could be the most clever piece of controller tech (Natal) and making a bunch of Wii-like games for it.
Also, Move works like a 3D mouse. That's more than enough to sell me on it.
Ask yourself, what is the most popular genre among gamers?
It's got to be FPS games. It's not the be-all and end-all, but it's what a lot of us play the most of.
Move has shown with Killzone 3, Socom 4, and Time Crisis support that it fits the genre perfectly. How natal will work with FPS games is yet to be seen, despite "OMFGWTFBBQ Head Trackingz" speculation.
Wii is good.
Natal looks good (tech wise, not games wise, not by a long shot)
Move looks like Wii motion plus + Natal in one sexy package.
I want both a camera which can track my head, recognise my face, tell how old I am AND a 1:1 controller with buttons and an analogue stick, and i want these things on PROPER games on an HD console.
i'm pretty sold on Move.
Game have it down as £35 for the move stick and £25 for the Nav-con so I'm pretty chuffed that I'll be able to pick up everything I need for £60 as i already have the eye.
"The EyeToy is closer to a webcam than it is to Kinect."
That's somewhat true, but at the end of the day, Kinect really is nothing more than just a supped up EyeToy. You're still doing the same things that EyeToy did 6 years ago. You waggle your hand in one spot, for a couple of seconds, to select something in the menus. Sure its a bit more precise and it has voice commands, but if you're just moving in front of a camera, its still basically just like a EyeToy!
That's somewhat true, but at the end of the day, Kinect really is nothing more than just a supped up EyeToy. You're still doing the same things that EyeToy did 6 years ago. You waggle your hand in one spot, for a couple of seconds, to select something in the menus. Sure its a bit more precise and it has voice commands, but if you're just moving in front of a camera, its still basically just like a EyeToy!
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Kinect is much more than an EyeToy although the Move is a blatant rip off of the Wiimote with a stupid ball on top.
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I had trouble reading this through the dense fog of irony.
Kinect is much more than an EyeToy although the Move is a blatant rip off of the Wiimote with a stupid ball on top.
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I had trouble reading this through the dense fog of irony.
I look forward to seeing whether Move will actually prove an advantage or a disadvantage when playing KZ3 and Socom 4 online. I'm highly doubtful, but the proof is in the playing.
It just seems smarter to go MS's route and market motion controls directly at casuals, since most core gamers seem to just want them to go away. Why try and shoehorn a product onto a market that doesn't want it?
It just seems smarter to go MS's route and market motion controls directly at casuals, since most core gamers seem to just want them to go away. Why try and shoehorn a product onto a market that doesn't want it?
While the Kinect seems to have better software running behind the scenes and probably a higher rez main camera the concept is the same as the eye-toy. Sony has seen the potential for these camera only based games for a while now and have learned that a controller is required at this point if you plan to be able to do more than flail around. Now I am not saying that it is not possible to make games that are good for this technology, I just think that it should be used to enhance a game at this point and not take over the job of the controller. For example, use the camera and mic in Fable X to capture how you are responding to NPCs, they tell you a joke and your reaction might be how your character reacts. (Just an example) These new technologies require the proper application and price point or they are doomed to fail. And there you have my short version of my thoughts on these new motion controllers.
I have a Wii, it's collecting dust on a shelf. This is precisely why I have no interest in Sony's Move. With Kinect, MS has or had an opportunity to explore a different direction. They so far have failed to captivate me; especially at the presumed $150 price point. 99 bucks with a game, maybe.
@PEICanada7,
Not true. The EyeToy functioned by determining where the image was changing to infer two dimensional motion. It's a cheap trick that any sophomore computer science student could pull off with a webcam and the proper documentation.
The Kinect does something vaguely similar in that it uses a camera to detect motion, but it can tell the difference between a foot, a hand, your face, and the posterior of some jerk walking through your living room. It's a really complicated image processing problem, especially when dealing with response times as fast as Kinect's are.
@SexualChocolate
What makes Natal crazy awesome is the software that processes the image, not just the camera. Saying the Move camera is almost kinect ready (Which it isn't, as it uses a single lens) is like saying my hand is not far off from being capable of dealing death at long range, all it needs is a rifle.
That $150 you'd spend on the Kinect? That's all code-monkey labor. The Move is kind of a joke as far as new tech goes. Inferring how far a sphere is from a camera based on how large it appears to the camera is a simple geometric argument, processes in no time and can tell one controller from another based on coloration. I mean, this is stuff college students have been doing for a while to demo VR potential.
Not true. The EyeToy functioned by determining where the image was changing to infer two dimensional motion. It's a cheap trick that any sophomore computer science student could pull off with a webcam and the proper documentation.
The Kinect does something vaguely similar in that it uses a camera to detect motion, but it can tell the difference between a foot, a hand, your face, and the posterior of some jerk walking through your living room. It's a really complicated image processing problem, especially when dealing with response times as fast as Kinect's are.
@SexualChocolate
What makes Natal crazy awesome is the software that processes the image, not just the camera. Saying the Move camera is almost kinect ready (Which it isn't, as it uses a single lens) is like saying my hand is not far off from being capable of dealing death at long range, all it needs is a rifle.
That $150 you'd spend on the Kinect? That's all code-monkey labor. The Move is kind of a joke as far as new tech goes. Inferring how far a sphere is from a camera based on how large it appears to the camera is a simple geometric argument, processes in no time and can tell one controller from another based on coloration. I mean, this is stuff college students have been doing for a while to demo VR potential.
@Naktu
I don't care how cool the tech behind the video game system is, or about how hard the code-monkeys had to work to make it (I am a code-monkey, BTW), I care about how good the games that use the system are. So far, I have seen nothing from Natal, Wii or even Move to make me want to buy any of the three.
I don't care how cool the tech behind the video game system is, or about how hard the code-monkeys had to work to make it (I am a code-monkey, BTW), I care about how good the games that use the system are. So far, I have seen nothing from Natal, Wii or even Move to make me want to buy any of the three.
@Verision
Fair point, but if people are going to argue about the technical merits of these things, they shouldn't be pulling their arguments out of their ass, like some here clearly are.
Fair point, but if people are going to argue about the technical merits of these things, they shouldn't be pulling their arguments out of their ass, like some here clearly are.
People are far too caught up in the "tech" behind these things.
I don't care if a computer science major could do it! I just care if i'll be able to point it like a gun and pull a trigger, or if all i can do is wave my arms and kick my legs.
The most important thing is how they apply to games.
And so far when it comes to actual fucking GAMES, Sony is taking the piss out of Microsofcats and Xboxsports.
Sony have been in the camera based gaming, uh, game for far longer than MS, hell they've been into motion controller gaming since before the Wii was a glimmer in Nintendo's eye! All that experience has taught them that the best way is camera & controller.
I don't care if a computer science major could do it! I just care if i'll be able to point it like a gun and pull a trigger, or if all i can do is wave my arms and kick my legs.
The most important thing is how they apply to games.
And so far when it comes to actual fucking GAMES, Sony is taking the piss out of Microsofcats and Xboxsports.
Sony have been in the camera based gaming, uh, game for far longer than MS, hell they've been into motion controller gaming since before the Wii was a glimmer in Nintendo's eye! All that experience has taught them that the best way is camera & controller.
"All that experience has taught them that the best way is camera & controller.".....sexual chocolate.
If that was true why didn't they release
Move before the Wii?
Funny how tech isn't the biggest deal if a company other than Sony has something unique and new.
If that was true why didn't they release
Move before the Wii?
Funny how tech isn't the biggest deal if a company other than Sony has something unique and new.
@bakewell I think natal looks super clever, I've just been shown nothing yet to prove it works well for gaming.
@Sexualchocolate
Sony was also in the console business a full generation before Microsoft and got themselves whipped on this-gen sales. If experience can teach a company anything, Sony isn't very good at learning.
But what's the point in arguing with you, you'd spout how 8-Track is the greatest thing ever if Sony announced they were bringing it back.
Sony was also in the console business a full generation before Microsoft and got themselves whipped on this-gen sales. If experience can teach a company anything, Sony isn't very good at learning.
But what's the point in arguing with you, you'd spout how 8-Track is the greatest thing ever if Sony announced they were bringing it back.
@sexual Chocolate
Way to ignore the point of my post.
When it's processor speed and blue ray disc space and all that crap tech is super important to you. Someone explains why kinects tech is pretty impressive and suddenly tech isn't important.
You are fickle.
Way to ignore the point of my post.
When it's processor speed and blue ray disc space and all that crap tech is super important to you. Someone explains why kinects tech is pretty impressive and suddenly tech isn't important.
You are fickle.
@Bakes - Because the tech behind the PS3 has made it a better console, i watch a lot of Blu-rays and I love the massive exclusive games like MGS4 and Uncharted 2 which just wouldn't fit on a DVD or be possible on a 360.
The Natal tech however is yet to be shown to translate into anything more than a nice spec sheet.
When that game comes out that is only possible with Natal and is super awesome, I will change my opinion on it.
The Natal tech however is yet to be shown to translate into anything more than a nice spec sheet.
When that game comes out that is only possible with Natal and is super awesome, I will change my opinion on it.
LOL @ the ending. Admittedly the Kinect does seem way more interactive with the system itself and this atleast convenient. I'd honestly like to see that same level of interaction with the move and PSEye through the PS3 menu screen and what not.
@garethxxgod
You have no idea how jealous I was that all you kids got to play last night while I had to put the baby to bed :(
You have no idea how jealous I was that all you kids got to play last night while I had to put the baby to bed :(
lol Molyneux saying something posative about the company he works for and negative about the competition!? NO WAY! NEVER!
What a tool.
What a tool.
The sad thing is that pretty much any of the Kinect games could be done / have been done with a wiimote.
LOL @ mrandydixon
What's even funnier was you joining the party and Corduroy forgetting to invite you to a game, this making your eerie silence even more well...just get a damn mic so we don't have to listen to Corduroy kick himself several times over for not getting you in a game with us LOL
What's even funnier was you joining the party and Corduroy forgetting to invite you to a game, this making your eerie silence even more well...just get a damn mic so we don't have to listen to Corduroy kick himself several times over for not getting you in a game with us LOL
With all of the fanboy bickering on both sides, the funny thing is that Move and Kinect (if they survive) are inevitably going to evolve into identical products.
Microsoft will realize that they need to have a physical controller to make non-shovelware games possible.
Sony will beef up their software via firmware updates so the same skeletal tracking can be done with their camera.
Microsoft will realize that they need to have a physical controller to make non-shovelware games possible.
Sony will beef up their software via firmware updates so the same skeletal tracking can be done with their camera.
Microsoft is trumpeting an upgraded version of what Sony did years ago. Sony is trumpeting an upgraded version of what Nintendo did years ago. And somehow, they've already managed to convince a lot of people that this is something to be excited about. It's mindboggling.
I'm going to slap a motion controller on a toilet and see if I can make some money off you people, too.
I'm going to slap a motion controller on a toilet and see if I can make some money off you people, too.
@garethxxgod
Yeah, I wondered why nobody wanted to play with me :( I thought maybe y'all just invited me to the party to mock my lack of communication.
The thing about the mic is that it works sometimes, it's just that I have to hold it a certain way and last night I couldn't get the positioning right. It's a good thing my cat is damn cute or I would have killed him when I saw him chewing on it...
Yeah, I wondered why nobody wanted to play with me :( I thought maybe y'all just invited me to the party to mock my lack of communication.
The thing about the mic is that it works sometimes, it's just that I have to hold it a certain way and last night I couldn't get the positioning right. It's a good thing my cat is damn cute or I would have killed him when I saw him chewing on it...
Difference being the Wii Motion plus is quite good, so I'd assume the Move is.
I feel kinda sorry for Microsoft.
I feel kinda sorry for Microsoft.
Every time I see the name "Molyneux," I make sure to equip my bullshit splatter shield. When Molyneux flaps his mouth AKA the bullshit cannon, I tend to nerd rage. I can just imagine him spouting this bullshit in his old-timey British accent, that nasally voice of his. I think he's got Microsoft's dick in his nose.
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