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Is Microsoft banning developers from using the controller in tandem with Kinect at this point? I don't see why it hasn't been tried yet.
Molyneux-related posts should just state the exact opposite of what he actually says.
The Kinect is a faultless peripheral, guys!
The Kinect is a faultless peripheral, guys!
Jim you damn atheist. Everybody knows our savior Peter has not once lied to us on any of the other amazing fable games.
I'm with Psykus on this. What's wrong with flailing ONE arm around like a baboon while the other uses an analog stick on the controller?
From the podcasts I heard out of E3, it sounds like that "it's not on rails" talk that Molyneux gave was absolutely ridiculous. Either Molyneux doesn't know what 'on rails' means or he's now resorted to blatantly lying to sell his games. If it's the former, apparently Molyneux thinks that simply giving the player 'branching paths' means it's 'not on rails'.
By "not on rails", is it just Molyneux stalling so he can come up with a term that basically means "on rails"? Like, for example, an "Emotional adventure in which the player is guided by the game" (but with more posh Molyneux-ness)
This game isn't on rails.
Fable: The Journey will REVOLUTIONIZE rails.
Fable will turn them into full-blown TRACKS.
Fable: The Journey will REVOLUTIONIZE rails.
Fable will turn them into full-blown TRACKS.
@Psykus: I'm hoping that's what Ghost Recon does. I wanna use hand signals with my troops.
@Epic: glad I'm not the only one who liked it.
@Epic: glad I'm not the only one who liked it.
They need to just stop with core games (requiring character movement) for Kinect. Even if they can nail a heavily scripted single-player campaign, it will never work for multi-player. Kinect titles need to be non-traditional. Rather than try to force Kinect into games like Fable or Gears of War, then should be trying to develop new and inventive concepts that will still appeal to core gamers.
Meanwhile, prepare to be flooded with Kinect spin-offs that aren't all that good.
Meanwhile, prepare to be flooded with Kinect spin-offs that aren't all that good.
Psykus makes a good point. I guess Mass Effect 3 will have you shouting at your TV, but no flailing?
@mrandydixon, I nearly shit my shorts at that. That's freaking hilarious.
And Fable 3 was crap. And 2. And 1. They all sucked. And yes, I played all three. All the way to the end. Because my girl likes them for some unknown reason.
And Fable 3 was crap. And 2. And 1. They all sucked. And yes, I played all three. All the way to the end. Because my girl likes them for some unknown reason.
I just hope this isn't "Fable 4" and truly is just a spin off version for those that really want to use Kinect. RPG's need inventory, the ability to switch weapons... lots of stuff that won't be possible without buttons... because currently using the Kinect to access anything usually means holding your hand over a symbol for an extended period of time and I don't want to spend 15 minutes changing my hat.
There's a simple answer for why using a controller isn't being used.
MS has marketed Kinect with the tagline "You are the controller!" That just looks hilarious bad if you have to hold a controller when you're supposed to BE the controller.
At that point Kinect just becomes like every other motion control on the market for the most part which would make them look dumb. MS doesn't want to look dumb so they'll do the dumb thing and not use the controller...er...yeah.
MS has marketed Kinect with the tagline "You are the controller!" That just looks hilarious bad if you have to hold a controller when you're supposed to BE the controller.
At that point Kinect just becomes like every other motion control on the market for the most part which would make them look dumb. MS doesn't want to look dumb so they'll do the dumb thing and not use the controller...er...yeah.
Of course its on the rails, with the input lag from Kinect; id be surprised if it WASNT on the rails. Dudes a sell-out just like every other developer thats into selling gimmicks these-days. He's now part of the majority imo.
ie.
-Kinect is full of shovelware
-Handhelds are full of shovelware
-AAA Titles that are actually well dressed Shovelware
-Tutorial = Half the game (where da manualz go?)
-Brain numbing, hand holding, extremely linear "non-linear"
The mainstream gaming industry's primary concern is selling gimmicks to retarded blind kid's.
ie.
-Kinect is full of shovelware
-Handhelds are full of shovelware
-AAA Titles that are actually well dressed Shovelware
-Tutorial = Half the game (where da manualz go?)
-Brain numbing, hand holding, extremely linear "non-linear"
The mainstream gaming industry's primary concern is selling gimmicks to retarded blind kid's.
I don't even think using a controller with the Kinect is doable. I mean, it's possible, but it would be hard as hell and you'd look like an idiot doing it. Also, as long as it's not an RPG, Fable: the Journey MIGHT work. It will still probably be a terrible game, but it could work.
"Call me a cynical ol' Atheist, but something isn't proof just because it was written down somewhere."
I love you Jim.
I love you Jim.
Did everybody miss E3 this year or something? Kinect+controller gaming taking over Kinect-only schemes is exactly what Microsoft spent most of their time announcing.
If you use a controller with kinect then is no longer "you are the controller" and it would goes againts ms marketing campaign and not to mention that it will also look like ms is saying to sony "you were right, a controller indeed was needed". This is exactly what sony said about kinect, that we would see the limtations not at first but in the go.
@Tristrix
That sounds a lot like the move, and the wii.
Microsoft probably want to differentiate themselves from those two.
That sounds a lot like the move, and the wii.
Microsoft probably want to differentiate themselves from those two.
@ Tristan
But there are companies using Kinect to enhance the gaming experience, as opposed to dominating it. I love the subtle-yet-significant way Kinect is being implemented into Mass Effect 3 and Forza 4, but the rest look like bargain-bin, one-note trifles.
But there are companies using Kinect to enhance the gaming experience, as opposed to dominating it. I love the subtle-yet-significant way Kinect is being implemented into Mass Effect 3 and Forza 4, but the rest look like bargain-bin, one-note trifles.
In his mind he thinks since you can choose which rail to be on or switch between multiple rails in game that makes it not "on rails."
can we ban Mr "i'm fat so i'll hate on Kinect" Sterling from making Kinect-related news? he's like friggin Jayson all over again.
i love the fact that Sterling still trolls telling that The Journey is on-rails when several dozens of journalists who tested the game - UNLIKE Mr "i hate Kinect" Sterling - admitted that IT'S NOT ON-RAIL by signing under the statement "FABLE: THE JOURNEY IS NOT ON-RAILS".
i love the fact that Sterling still trolls telling that The Journey is on-rails when several dozens of journalists who tested the game - UNLIKE Mr "i hate Kinect" Sterling - admitted that IT'S NOT ON-RAIL by signing under the statement "FABLE: THE JOURNEY IS NOT ON-RAILS".
If you use a controller with kinect then is no longer "you are the controller" and it would goes againts ms marketing campaign and not to mention that it will also look like ms is saying to sony "you were right, a controller indeed was needed". This is exactly what sony said about kinect, that we would see the limtations not at first but in the go.
No one was a bigger fan of the Fable franchise than i was, i was following it when then name was Project Ego. All the in game mechanics he promises he STILL HASNT delivered since Fable 1.
He is a damned liar and a thief.
I have bought all of Peters work from Populous to Black & White 2. I loved the way the editor put "snake oil salesman."
He is a damned liar and a thief.
I have bought all of Peters work from Populous to Black & White 2. I loved the way the editor put "snake oil salesman."
@Tristan77
"You Are The Controller" is the tagline to get the casuals on board. Its something called marketing. What, do you really think PS3 "Only Does Everything?" Oh yeah, it doesn't, because it is just a marketing tag-line.
MS never said they didn't want Kinect+controller schemes, in fact, that is what they spoke about most at E3 this year.
"You Are The Controller" is the tagline to get the casuals on board. Its something called marketing. What, do you really think PS3 "Only Does Everything?" Oh yeah, it doesn't, because it is just a marketing tag-line.
MS never said they didn't want Kinect+controller schemes, in fact, that is what they spoke about most at E3 this year.
@Mrandydixon
Thank you sir. Fucking thank you. When I catch my breath I will praise your name with a song. lol
Thank you sir. Fucking thank you. When I catch my breath I will praise your name with a song. lol
If he knows it has problems, why is he bothering to make a Fable Kinect game?
Here's an idea.. Why not take all that time and money and focus on releasing a quality Fable game? "Ya know" one that uses one of those weird control pad thingies..
Why waste the time making more Kinect Shovelware garbage?
Here's an idea.. Why not take all that time and money and focus on releasing a quality Fable game? "Ya know" one that uses one of those weird control pad thingies..
Why waste the time making more Kinect Shovelware garbage?
How about making an on-rails game that rocks then? Mayhaps a strategy game, eh? Like the ones you did and were awesome.
I mean, you could also make a half assed RPG that totally sucks and fails even at bad humour, besides having a fuckload of problems due to input on top of a fuckload of problem due to development incongruencies and surreal, idealist stupidity. You could definitely do that.
I mean, you could also make a half assed RPG that totally sucks and fails even at bad humour, besides having a fuckload of problems due to input on top of a fuckload of problem due to development incongruencies and surreal, idealist stupidity. You could definitely do that.
I fucking knew it. Kinect isn't capable of free roaming without making you rip your hair off in frustration. That's why Star Wars Kinect looks so slow paced and clunky. If they decided to have a thumbs stick for movement then that would defeat the whole purpose of "hands free gaming".
You know what Kinect needs? It needs fucking Myst. That game could be ported PERFECTLY to the device.
Someone get on that shit.
Someone get on that shit.
Ah, right back to the "your always going to need buttons" train of thought. While I subscribe, and I actually believe what he's saying here (which is a change of pace), the fact that HE'S saying it makes me feel meh about it..
I mean, even without all the promises he's ever made marring up everything he says from here to eternaty, most of the other games his studio makes don't make it seem like they know what to do with those input devices either (controllers, Mouse/keyboard).. So it stands to reason that they just might not have a complete handle on how to use -or set up how to use- the device.
As for the rails thing, its hard for him to dispute it till people OTHER then actors on an E3 stage, or his people (I forget if they were his people or not), play the game and really get to see that movement is completely in your control. Because seriously, those people were playing (or the video they were mock playing) looked WAY to smooth to be anything but on rails.
Will say though I thought he was going to say "Kinect has some problems -like the fact one of my games isn't on it yet"
I mean, even without all the promises he's ever made marring up everything he says from here to eternaty, most of the other games his studio makes don't make it seem like they know what to do with those input devices either (controllers, Mouse/keyboard).. So it stands to reason that they just might not have a complete handle on how to use -or set up how to use- the device.
As for the rails thing, its hard for him to dispute it till people OTHER then actors on an E3 stage, or his people (I forget if they were his people or not), play the game and really get to see that movement is completely in your control. Because seriously, those people were playing (or the video they were mock playing) looked WAY to smooth to be anything but on rails.
Will say though I thought he was going to say "Kinect has some problems -like the fact one of my games isn't on it yet"
GU: Is there anyway to progress without a horse?
Peter: No. If your horse dies, you have to stop off at a trading post and get another one. We do fast travel you there, and you goto the last trading post you've been to. You can change your horse in this way, but we find people don't do that. Nobody has wanted to so far.
So, yeah. It's not on rails because it's ... erm on a horse and shit. Now this is how peter rolls nowadays. Seriously, this guy should just stop making games. He will be well known to some older gamers for fucking epic games and to the younger one as the guy who promises so much and delivers nothing but don't make it even more worse.
And more important, how should you fucking play this game? Flailing your hands around like you are on a horse? Is this Peter's new definition of fun? This from someone who designed Dungeon Keeper...
Peter: No. If your horse dies, you have to stop off at a trading post and get another one. We do fast travel you there, and you goto the last trading post you've been to. You can change your horse in this way, but we find people don't do that. Nobody has wanted to so far.
So, yeah. It's not on rails because it's ... erm on a horse and shit. Now this is how peter rolls nowadays. Seriously, this guy should just stop making games. He will be well known to some older gamers for fucking epic games and to the younger one as the guy who promises so much and delivers nothing but don't make it even more worse.
And more important, how should you fucking play this game? Flailing your hands around like you are on a horse? Is this Peter's new definition of fun? This from someone who designed Dungeon Keeper...
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