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Cod sucks.

I'm to the point of renting CoD games for the single player only. Sad day for people that were hoping for ranked clan servers and what not.

"BF3 is gonna be shit on PC"

Are you sure you're thinking straight today? :p

And well, there goes any real wanting to buy MW3 outside the single-player campaign, think I'll just give it a skip altogether as I have cod4, don't need to buy it again ;)

Max-

interface is way worse on PC. can't even get a goddamn server browser, and you have to start it up with a web browser. can't even start single player without going to a website. lame.

Epic-Kx

CoD Elite is an online pass.

This news is not surprising at all actually Jim. As a PC gamer, this is understandable. If they don't limit dedicated server control, then I'm fine with this.

Actually Counter Strike: GO is doing a very similar thing, and people who get pissed off about this either don't understand what this means or are just trolling to be heard.

This is fucking moronic. Unless all private matches have everything unlocked.

So what they are saying is that to actually level up, you need to play on shitty P2P servers which ruin the game experience.

In order to actually play the game in a format that doesn't have obvious drawbacks

@Xonticus +1. I don't see how this is wrong.

@qlum- wtf is cod6? last I checked, the last numbered Call of Duty game was Call of Duty 4.

@JB Calonge - Battlelog isn't that great sure, it isn't -that- bad though either, wish it was just an alternate option for joining games but it's ultimately not all that bad a thing and can only get better with DICE upgrading and fixing stuff, or at least I'm optimistic about it :p

@Xonticus - It's going to be Steam's own "dedicated" servers though and not P2P with CSGO, plus with Counter-Strike progression =/= vital to being able to access equipment and upgrades.

Matchmaking is a ridiculous concept. It does far more to keep a community apart than anything in modern gaming, and for what? So people can "progress"? Progress to what, exactly? To make sure your stats are fairly tracked? Do your stats fucking matter?

Matchmaking is a scourge designed to keep mainstreamers with ADD playing. Having the entire experienced unlocked from the get go, and allowing anyone to play aything with anyone who wants to in real time is what creates tangible communities within games.

You want to know why most games cant hold a community more than a few months? Because shit like "public is for progress" keeps them from ever forming a real community to begin with. Just a bunch of strangers playing matches they can only kinda choose.

Uhhh... can we confirm that private games = dedicated servers?

It seems to me he is mentioning private games as passworded, not dedicated servers.

So no BF3 cause im not paying for that stupid webpage thing. And MW2 is virtually unplayable on PC so chances are I might get maybe 6 months of enough people to have a decent match before I see nothing but 300 or 400ms pings all around.

So Skygrim only then? No decent pc shooter for Fall '11? Although my wallet would thank me, It sucks that I either compromise or play empty games no one else plays. Seriously Im open to suggestions since I don't wanna give money to either Activison or EA this year, enough is enough.

Everyone will still buy it, the exact same as blops, bitch and moan but the same people will be in line with the rest of us throwing money. Stop fucking moaning please.

/sigh

I knew the party wasn't going to last.

@Max Agree 100%, again this is me not knowing if IW has P2P or dedicated for ranked.

Perhaps as one of the cretins who plays on consoles, my opinion doesn't matter, but this makes sense to me. There's a HUGE contingent of people who want to cut right to the end of the character progression, so they can give themselves an advantage and have people think they're totally awesome and/or sweet by having the final Prestige icon. Letting the ranked stuff go on dedicated servers--ones where users have all the control over the settings--is just another avenue for people like this to get what they want.

I don't doubt that the unranked matches on the dedicated servers will allow the option to have every unlockable item, like unranked matches work in Modern Warfare 2, so I don't really see what the big deal is.

Host advantage has never been an issue for me with Call of Duty games, but I suppose that doesn't mean it hasn't been an issue for anybody. Still, a slight host advantage seems like a necessary evil when compared to people who would completely break the game just to rank up if they had the opportunity.

Reading these comments, I honestly have to wonder how many people have never played a PC shooter. Good Lord.

The day that P2P servers are viewed as 'better' and 'easier to control' than Dedicated servers is a sad day for gaming.

I would hope that they are referring to dedicated but unofficial servers not having player progression as to do that to official dedicated servers would defeat the entire purpose of having them in the first place.

To this here cowpoke it sounds like someone didn't ask a follow-up for clarification.

i love how most of the industry is basically saying "call of duty or battlefield?" for the fall releases. the publishers of those games are acting like they're the only games out there. Well we should shit all over BOTH of them and buy Arkham City, Skyrim, and Saints Row The Third. Then maybe they'll stop being so egocentric thinking the entire games industry runs off of 2 brown and browner "realistic" military shooters.

@Darren Nakamura

Progression shouldn't even be needed.

the fact that stuff is locked at the start is only to give those people who can't play a game where they have nothing to gain something to do.

the same reason that prestige even exist's.

they are stall tactic's just the same as level grind in WoW is.

And as for wanting to skip leveling in order to gain an advantage.

I'm sorry but if their is an inherent advantage in being level 70 over level 15 it means the game is geared unfairly.(if your using the same shit by level 15 you should have any unlocks you need for it).

And B) there's a simple solution. You have Ranked dedicated server's which are like Black op's you can't change anything you don't really have access to the thing. but you can set up kick and ban parameters to get rid of hackers.(so you can't really access the server code)

then you have Unranked Dedicated server's where anything goes, using a different version of the server code that is moddable. Which is how it was in Cod4(though since rankings were stored client side they were hackable for different reason's)

As for prestige if your really worried about who has what icon you need to get out of the group of people measuring their Epeen's.

Max Prestige is not a sign of a good player, it's a sign of a player who plays alot. Or someone who wanted those extra custom classes.(again locking advantages away in order to try and prolong play time till they can get some DLC out)

Let me get this right. So ranked play, which is the part that's meant to be all serious business, is the one that ISN'T having dedicated servers?

Oh Activision, you cute little trolls you.

So Battlefield 3 it is then.

I can't take it anymore. MW3 on consoles without dedicated servers, not to be confused with private matches, isn't worth playing online on consoles. The idea of a dedicated server is very different for consoles. You can't make your own dedicated server due to the fact that there is not a server client for consoles. What activision and IW apparently want to do here is ship a broken multiplayer as they have with the last few CoD games. Host advantage would disappear on consoles if IW would just run their own dedicated servers and let players join those, like every battlefield on console ever. In this case, as far balanced gameplay goes, battlefield is better. Not to mention its better in general.

Oooooohhhhh!

They see me trollin', they hatin'

@Darren Nakamura

What you described on consoles is not a dedicated server, but a private match. And I agree that private matches should not be allowed to be used to rank up. Dedicated servers, however, should be the standard for all competitive play, otherwise people do get unfair advantages and progress at the unfair expense of others.

I both agree and disagree. Cheers!