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I can see the future headline come January "XBox 360 has seen the biggest increase ever of Live subscriptions in the month of December. In other news MW2, glitch 348 has surfaced"
@Videodrone31
I remember W@W having serious issues with players either under or outside every map - That was the big one anyway. It was unplayable for a couple of weeks.
Anyway, I got on the 360 last night and the first game I got into was an infinite ammo game - It's just complete mayhem. So, I quit and got into a regular game and then was put into another hacked room.
So, I switched over to the PS3 and played the entire night without issue. Surprisingly, I didn't even see any of the 10th prestige hackers(Which is a complete non-issue anyway). I'm assuming all those douche bags were over on the 360 getting their kicks.
I remember W@W having serious issues with players either under or outside every map - That was the big one anyway. It was unplayable for a couple of weeks.
Anyway, I got on the 360 last night and the first game I got into was an infinite ammo game - It's just complete mayhem. So, I quit and got into a regular game and then was put into another hacked room.
So, I switched over to the PS3 and played the entire night without issue. Surprisingly, I didn't even see any of the 10th prestige hackers(Which is a complete non-issue anyway). I'm assuming all those douche bags were over on the 360 getting their kicks.
I have to agree with SC on his latest post. Early today the PSN/Sony were labled "haven for glitchers/cheaters" yet when LIVE is affected with a worse glitch/hack, it is brushed aside and blamed on the hackers only. Sony took action by quicky passing the patch IW sent them. Now its time for MS to do the same.Quickly fix the problem and ban all those that used this glitch for gain.
I mean, I don't totally blame IW for having glitches, because games have them and it seems like every time something comes out they're on the ball to fix it. I actually feel a little bad about it.
I blame the cheaters/hackers. They're taking advantage of the game, it seems like by now people are clearly going out of their way to look for glitches and cheats just to get ahead. People are ruining to game for other people, the people doing it are at fault.
And it really sucks reading through the comments of Jims articles. People are so bitter towards him over some of the shit he says and it boggles my mind that people get that bothered with anything he says. I guess people can't accept that even if you disagree with it, at least what he is saying is honest and not spoon fed bullshit. Which is one of the reasons I read his posts.
I blame the cheaters/hackers. They're taking advantage of the game, it seems like by now people are clearly going out of their way to look for glitches and cheats just to get ahead. People are ruining to game for other people, the people doing it are at fault.
And it really sucks reading through the comments of Jims articles. People are so bitter towards him over some of the shit he says and it boggles my mind that people get that bothered with anything he says. I guess people can't accept that even if you disagree with it, at least what he is saying is honest and not spoon fed bullshit. Which is one of the reasons I read his posts.
Not to sound the Jim Defense Force (he's perfectly capable of handling himself, I'm sure), but you guys seem to be conflating two separate issues, here.
Yes, Live is getting hit harder with cheats and glitches, but like Rucksack said, part of that is due to Live being the bigger installed base. If I make an MW2 bug, I want it to hit as many people as possible. Ergo, I go for Live. That makes sense.
Now, re: Sony. I don't know much about the PSN/MW2 community, so I don't know what kinds of glitches and fixes are available. What I do know is that it's most irrelevant. Jim's editorial was about how Sony approaches the problems on PSN, arguing that it was counter-productive. Even if he's totally wrong and Sony have been throwing fixes down left and right (and like I said, I wouldn't know), he's arguing a totally different issue.
Yes, Live is getting hit harder with cheats and glitches, but like Rucksack said, part of that is due to Live being the bigger installed base. If I make an MW2 bug, I want it to hit as many people as possible. Ergo, I go for Live. That makes sense.
Now, re: Sony. I don't know much about the PSN/MW2 community, so I don't know what kinds of glitches and fixes are available. What I do know is that it's most irrelevant. Jim's editorial was about how Sony approaches the problems on PSN, arguing that it was counter-productive. Even if he's totally wrong and Sony have been throwing fixes down left and right (and like I said, I wouldn't know), he's arguing a totally different issue.
Yeah, I was wondering why I was thrown into a game like that on Rust and someone got AC130 and ended up with like 100 kills and a couple deaths. This was domination.
@Stevil: Back up your "statement", did MS do a press release say they're banning anyone get caught with the virus? Please link it for me. Even in the article, it says "it appears MS...." =/= STATEMENT.
@Sanious: yet he spoon fed you about how XBL is better than PSN because it's paid and it's quick on the banhammer. (If you don't buy that, I apologize for assuming so).
And yea we do blame IW, they earned the wrath of some of the most ingenious people in the digital world.
@Sanious: yet he spoon fed you about how XBL is better than PSN because it's paid and it's quick on the banhammer. (If you don't buy that, I apologize for assuming so).
And yea we do blame IW, they earned the wrath of some of the most ingenious people in the digital world.
@Christopher Obrien- good point:) although I remember people flying around maps in cod4 nearly a year and a half after it's release. I'm a huge fan of what infinity ward does. I'm just saying sometimes treyarch gets some undeserved hate. Problems in mw2 everyones very laid back about it. Problem in a treyarch game and everyones all "worst developer EVER"! I personally have enjoyed the last 3 cod games equally:)
what kind of nerd is watching so hard that they can tell if someone reloaded or not. just fucking re-spawn and keep it moving. fucking cry babies. "he got infinite ammo!!"
No matter whose fault it is players should not be banned for using glitches or getting a virus. Granted I don't play online games but to Ban so easily would not happen if M$ was not making money by banning people.
PSN doesn't make money by banning people so no bans over small shit.
The fact you can use the Javelin glitch, so what, sure it sucks but this online stuff isn't real life. It's not cheating if everyone can do it IMO.
I'm no PS3 fanboy, but the way M$ does business..... no thanks!
PSN doesn't make money by banning people so no bans over small shit.
The fact you can use the Javelin glitch, so what, sure it sucks but this online stuff isn't real life. It's not cheating if everyone can do it IMO.
I'm no PS3 fanboy, but the way M$ does business..... no thanks!
People are actually blaming IW for a hacked glitch? Is that fair? Did someone in IW get fired and decide to use their knowledge to destroy MW2? Jeez people xD;
@Sexualchocolate That's because for whatever reason Jim rarely knows what the hell he's talking about, he makes it all sound good, he just doesn't have much of a clue. He could spend time researching it and all, but who's got time for that real journalism?
Also this is IW's fault as the bases for the mod is off the "Infected" title, IW's own code. Beta's are for this exact purpose people are suppose to try to break the game in beta, something they apparently didn't try hard enough at. These things could have been could in an open beta. Probably best on Live since it actually, unlike Jim has noted in his imagination, is cheater haven. ALso how the hell is MS going to ban anyone? Your unwilling in the transfer of these new codes (apparently much like infected title), so how do they go about banning anyone for it? Oh that's right they don't need a real reason.
Also this is IW's fault as the bases for the mod is off the "Infected" title, IW's own code. Beta's are for this exact purpose people are suppose to try to break the game in beta, something they apparently didn't try hard enough at. These things could have been could in an open beta. Probably best on Live since it actually, unlike Jim has noted in his imagination, is cheater haven. ALso how the hell is MS going to ban anyone? Your unwilling in the transfer of these new codes (apparently much like infected title), so how do they go about banning anyone for it? Oh that's right they don't need a real reason.
I think comparing an exploited glitch to a virus that has killed 25 million people shows a surprising level of insensitivity.
Just like all of life in america we have freedom. People can chose to be hacks and cheaters and be very good at it. People can also seek to be on the crackdown and chose law enforcement. I hope the latter wins out and smacks down the former. If one wants to be a cheater they are essentially cheating themselves. If one seeks to infect that bile on others who do not want it then they are scum and need to be delt with.
If it's a bug in the game, like the Javelin glitch, then yes, it's Infinity Ward's fault. If it's a result of modding/hacking, then no, why would we blame them? As far as the Javelin glitch, it was their fault, and they fixed it, so it's all good.
Did this happen to Halo 3? Because if Halo 3 could somehow avoid getting hacked from hell to back, despite also being a AAA super-release, I don't see how you can blame anybody but Infinity Ward.
@Xonticus
If you were referring to me, my comment was only meant in as an ironic tribute to everyone who is blaming Microsoft for this. I figured I might as well up the ante and jump straight to blaming them for real AIDS as well.
If you were referring to me, my comment was only meant in as an ironic tribute to everyone who is blaming Microsoft for this. I figured I might as well up the ante and jump straight to blaming them for real AIDS as well.
This wouldn't have happened had they released a public/closed beta. That's what these things iron out. IW are just too arrogant, surely they can do all the testing themselves lol.
COD MW2 is now the new Halo 3. All the pricks and tweens have left Halo 3 for COD MW and MW2. Halo 3 is actually pretty fun now.
You cannot cheat something like this on a closed system, if it isn't already in the code. ERGO IW is to blame for world hunger and me getting nothing for Xmas.
So... a programmed virus on a console system? This doesn't bode well for the future security of our consoles if this is possible now. Are we going to need anti-virus protection on the consoles now to help us join the right games so that we're not infected?
@abydos
I imagine if you show up to the beta doorstep with hacked code you won't be welcomed inside. This is separate from a glitch included in the code. You would likely get booted from a beta for hacking the game, thats simply not the idea behind a beta.
I imagine if you show up to the beta doorstep with hacked code you won't be welcomed inside. This is separate from a glitch included in the code. You would likely get booted from a beta for hacking the game, thats simply not the idea behind a beta.
This is a hack so I agree the banhammer should be swung here, problem is due to the nature of the hack (and because it wasn't mentioned in the article) I'm assuming as of now there's no way to tell the people who implemented the hack from the people who were (unfortunatly) infected.
This would mean more than a few inoccent bystandards are gonna get it along with the guilty and considering you pay money for live that's no good.
They have to be careful here, this would definitly put a negative view on live if people who did no wrong get banned (not to mention there will be a few lawsuits to boot).
This would mean more than a few inoccent bystandards are gonna get it along with the guilty and considering you pay money for live that's no good.
They have to be careful here, this would definitly put a negative view on live if people who did no wrong get banned (not to mention there will be a few lawsuits to boot).
Ban people for looking for a game and they just happen
to get connected to this lobby with infinite ammo.??? Now that
is ridiculus.... I signed into xbox live yesterday only
to be thrown into one of these games and thought "WTF" so i backed out after a few seconds of watching that crap. So now what will i get banned? I dont think
so. I think M.S and I.W are not that stupid. Could you only imagine if they did that? It would have an astronomacal effect on future game,hardware and software sales for both parties.
I dont know who is responsible for this mess and i am not the one to point the finger of blame at any of those two parties
but, whoever did this they have ruined and desecrated a game that either everbody loves or hates so they could have a few laughs,giggles proove a point or start a movement. Whichever it is i dont really care. But know this, the consequences of their actions have been fatal. People paid good money for this game and have waited in anticipation for its release. Opinions vary about this game some like it some dont. I myself have my own frustrating problems with it Ie, sitting in a lobby for 10 mins waiting for a match then only to be kicked but the point is this game will never be the same for many people/
to get connected to this lobby with infinite ammo.??? Now that
is ridiculus.... I signed into xbox live yesterday only
to be thrown into one of these games and thought "WTF" so i backed out after a few seconds of watching that crap. So now what will i get banned? I dont think
so. I think M.S and I.W are not that stupid. Could you only imagine if they did that? It would have an astronomacal effect on future game,hardware and software sales for both parties.
I dont know who is responsible for this mess and i am not the one to point the finger of blame at any of those two parties
but, whoever did this they have ruined and desecrated a game that either everbody loves or hates so they could have a few laughs,giggles proove a point or start a movement. Whichever it is i dont really care. But know this, the consequences of their actions have been fatal. People paid good money for this game and have waited in anticipation for its release. Opinions vary about this game some like it some dont. I myself have my own frustrating problems with it Ie, sitting in a lobby for 10 mins waiting for a match then only to be kicked but the point is this game will never be the same for many people/
It might be IW's fault, I guess it depends on how easy it was for the modders/cheaters to create this "virus." It could be they found an easy exploit (in which case it is IW's fault), or this took a lot of work and ingenuity to create (in which case it isn't IWs fault).
Though, as the article says, while the biggest game is bound to get hit by the most exploiters, IW should know that and be prepared. So I wouldn't give them a break because there are a lot of exploiters, just give them a break if the exploits were hard to create. You can't stop all of them, but you can at least make it hard for it to be done.
Though, as the article says, while the biggest game is bound to get hit by the most exploiters, IW should know that and be prepared. So I wouldn't give them a break because there are a lot of exploiters, just give them a break if the exploits were hard to create. You can't stop all of them, but you can at least make it hard for it to be done.
@Hyruriruge: Yeah, but he's not saying 'Sony sucks though'. It's not related to his previous opinion, as far as I can tell. If hadn't have known about that, do you think I could pick up on that biased opinion in this report? No. I didn't say it was fact either. Statement can mean to give an impression. Which he did without bias.
Who is to blame jim? a lot of hard earned money from hard working people
has been spent buying this game.
has been spent buying this game.
So, you can get this without knowing it, and MS is dealing out bans for those that are unknowingly infected? I like the 360 a lot (I have both, and like both), and like Live, but this is bush league. If it's a modded console that starts all of this, then they should be banned, but those that get suckered into it without their knowledge shouldn't be banned at all. Talk about a slash and burn move.
After learning a bit about the nature of the hack, this is seen probably only on 360 for the time being because it involves a hacked 360. And also the hack works because (surprises here) MW2 works on the P2P, thus their coding becomes their own worst enemy.
I'll give you XBL boys a bone, if you suspect you been caught with a virus, turn off you XBox, and then turn it back on after a minute or two.
I'll give you XBL boys a bone, if you suspect you been caught with a virus, turn off you XBox, and then turn it back on after a minute or two.
What Ruck Sack said.
And, really, I got hit with one of these matches last night and *shrug* it was actually kinda fun.
And, really, I got hit with one of these matches last night and *shrug* it was actually kinda fun.
i contracted this yesterday, thought it was pretty fun at the time, but didn't know that i had caught the mod on my profile. If i get banned by microsoft i think i will have to just forget about the xbox 360, and use my ps3.
At least get your terminology right Jim. MS isn't handing out Bans, but Suspensions. A suspension is VASTLY different than a Ban...
This isn't so much a glitch as it is fun. Been in some hectic fucking matches...and everybody is on the same level playing field, nobody has an advantage. They don't need to fix this, they need to give us options to let us set up crazy domination matches that last 45 minutes. Is that too much to ask?
Punish the paupers, not the princes. It's all of the players' fault, not the developers or distributors.
Will people please remember that Jim's point about PSN is not specifically about the instances of glitches/hacks/cheating happening on the network, but about Sony's apparent refusal to acknowledge them or attempt to discourage or clean up the problem and the notable damage that it could cause to the reputation, and thus the environment that that could encourage on PSN. I think using the reality of cheating and hacking and glitching on XBL as a way of saying "Nyaaaahhhh, Jim: FAILFAILFAIL" etc, just goes to prove that nobody actually understood what the fuck the point he was making.
Sexual. As a champion extraordinaire of Sony, the PS3, and PSN, for you to shrug Sony's ignorance of the problem off is kind of stupid. I presume you want PSN to be seen as equal to, or in your eyes probably; better than XBL. Well this inaction won't help that. It's already way behind in reputation, and quality of service, this will only give people another reason to laugh upon it as XBL's retarded younger cousin.
Sexual. As a champion extraordinaire of Sony, the PS3, and PSN, for you to shrug Sony's ignorance of the problem off is kind of stupid. I presume you want PSN to be seen as equal to, or in your eyes probably; better than XBL. Well this inaction won't help that. It's already way behind in reputation, and quality of service, this will only give people another reason to laugh upon it as XBL's retarded younger cousin.
It's good to know you've paid Microsoft for AIDS. With your logic, I think it's reasonable to blame Microsoft, just like you blamed Sony.
'Is Infinity Ward at fault here, or do we blame the sheer willpower of the cheaters?'
What the fuck is that? Same question applies to the situation with PSN, but you blamed Sony. Man, trolling is fun and all, but either I just don't get it, or you are now Microsoft's new employee.
Anyway, I've been listening to Podtoid till 121 episode, and everything you've said was reasonable and you always knew what are you talking about. I'm saying this because I don't want you to think that I'm some kind of hater, because all my responses to your posts are negative, although you don't give a shit, I just wanted to set this straight.
It's just now you're not reasonable at all. Or maybe I turned into easily offended fanboy, in that case I should smoke more.
'Is Infinity Ward at fault here, or do we blame the sheer willpower of the cheaters?'
What the fuck is that? Same question applies to the situation with PSN, but you blamed Sony. Man, trolling is fun and all, but either I just don't get it, or you are now Microsoft's new employee.
Anyway, I've been listening to Podtoid till 121 episode, and everything you've said was reasonable and you always knew what are you talking about. I'm saying this because I don't want you to think that I'm some kind of hater, because all my responses to your posts are negative, although you don't give a shit, I just wanted to set this straight.
It's just now you're not reasonable at all. Or maybe I turned into easily offended fanboy, in that case I should smoke more.
Also, I'm wondering if people realize that there has never been a console game with so many people playing online. Of course there are going to be more exploits, there are more people with no lives figuring out how to hack the game. I just can't in good nature blame IW, even a closed beta wouldn't have enough people to find all this shit.
18 Hours ago Jim makes a post about PSN issues and lack of Sony involvement with some points on Microsoft XBL security and suspension / banning of cheaters.
XBL now has an exclusive virus that is likely the worst virus to ever grace a console, and people have a chance of getting the banhammer from Microsoft by catching it.
I'm chalking this one up as either fate hating Jim, or he broke a couple mirrors right after he finished the PSN article.
XBL now has an exclusive virus that is likely the worst virus to ever grace a console, and people have a chance of getting the banhammer from Microsoft by catching it.
I'm chalking this one up as either fate hating Jim, or he broke a couple mirrors right after he finished the PSN article.
@Chaos, i found that Sony's response was perfect.
Don't ban people, just push through the patch nice and fast, faster than MS did.
I fail to see how that could be considered ignoring the problem. Sure, they didn't ban anyone over it, but they sure did have it fixed quickly.
It was about 3 days after I personally noticed any javelin fucking around that the patch went live, now it was another 2 days at least on top of that for the LIVE (the service which is apparently oh so on top of cheaters / hackers) patch to come through.
I think jim's whole point that Sony was ignoring the problem is flat out wrong, as they pushed IW's fix through so fucking fast.
They knew it was on the way, they knew it would get sorted quickly, so why bother banning users?
Sure they may be ignoring the leaderboard bullshit, but that's a long long way from gamebreaking.
Don't ban people, just push through the patch nice and fast, faster than MS did.
I fail to see how that could be considered ignoring the problem. Sure, they didn't ban anyone over it, but they sure did have it fixed quickly.
It was about 3 days after I personally noticed any javelin fucking around that the patch went live, now it was another 2 days at least on top of that for the LIVE (the service which is apparently oh so on top of cheaters / hackers) patch to come through.
I think jim's whole point that Sony was ignoring the problem is flat out wrong, as they pushed IW's fix through so fucking fast.
They knew it was on the way, they knew it would get sorted quickly, so why bother banning users?
Sure they may be ignoring the leaderboard bullshit, but that's a long long way from gamebreaking.
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