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Miyamoto: Next console to be 'compact, cost-efficient' photo

Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto would definitely know what Nintendo's next big thing looks like, so we'll take his musings on what the next Nintendo console would look and be like to heart.

He tells Gamasutra that Nintendo hasn't figured it all out yet (we don't believe that), but he sounds like he wants the next console to be somewhat Wii-ish in interface. Why? They know that they hit it big with the waggle: "What we've been able to do is introduce an interface that is both I think appealing and at the right price for a broad audience."

So far, the only clues we have on Nintendo's next thing come from this statement, and only the words "compact" and "cost-efficient" were thrown out: "What I can say is that, my guess is that because we found this interface to be so interesting, I think it would be likely that we would try to make that same functionality perhaps more compact and perhaps even more cost-efficient."

That gives me no clear picture of the console itself, but I know we'll be waggling something.


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Derek Gillies's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 12:45
Derek Gillies
Color me 100 percent uninterested then
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 12:47
EternalDeathSlayer
Meaning it's graphical abilities will still lag far behind the 360 and PS3.

That's what cost-efficient means. Keep everything the same, boost the graphics just a bit, sell that sucker for 250 all over again in a few years.

And make even more money than last time.
VGFreak1225's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 12:50
VGFreak1225
I don't know what to think about this one. I'm staying out of this arguement until we get more info.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 12:52
Xzyliac
So Wii-er than the Wii?

Ugh indeed.
FatherChesz's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 12:53
FatherChesz
Yeah, because they really broke the fucking bank with the Wii. But really, what do you expect? The Gamecube followed the trends of the other consoles and floundered. The Wii has crushed the competition with their approach. They'd be incredibly stupid to go back to the old ways.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 12:53
Tubatic
Hmm. Considering how much time has passed, I'm kind of hoping they'll go ahead and bump up the specs more than a bit. At least enough to generate more than 10 zombies on screen at a time.

Ah well. :/
gamadaya's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 12:56
gamadaya
I can't say I'm disseminated. I don't plan on getting another console any time soon, and a powerhouse from Nintendo really wouldn't change that.
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 12:58
CelicaCrazed
Hey Nintendo, remember this!? It may not be real, or yours, but do it nonetheless!!
CBunn's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:03
CBunn
I'd like to think that I've been burned by the Wii, and will be able to pass on the next Nintendo gen. But then they will come with Mario, Zelda and Metroid. And I will cave, again. Argh!
Oncomouse's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:04
Oncomouse
Color me unsurprised but still disapointed.
jawshoeuh's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:10
jawshoeuh
What the hell is a Nintendo Wii?!
PEICanada7's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:14
PEICanada7
"What the hell is a Nintendo Wii?!"

The #1 selling home console of this generation, with over 54 million units sold. Any other question?
ammoelf3's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:17
ammoelf3
I don't think that their next console will be as big of a hit. The giant market they opened up with the Wii is not accustomed or probably ready for the idea of the console life cycle. I doubt they're going to have a lot of repeat sales because people are just going to stick with the current Wii they have. They thought of an improved system probably hasn't occured to them, and it seems like that general mainstream market wont see the need to upgrade.
natetehgreat's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:22
natetehgreat
"That's what cost-efficient means. Keep everything the same, boost the graphics just a bit, sell that sucker for 250 all over again in a few years."

'Boosting the graphics a little' would not be 'keeping everything the same.'

And that's a big assumption to make about engineering something to be more 'cost efficient'. The PS3 slim is more cost efficient than the original, yet it's still arguably the most powerful console available.

We don't even know if he's talking about the console itself or the controllers/sensor bar. I would prefer something more streamlined than a bar that shoots out IR beams. A more accurate, small (perhaps wireless) camera would be nice.

I doubt we're going to see a Blu-ray drive, but HDMI and 720p output (at the very least) seem inevitable. Don't forget, the 360 for all its 'next gen' hype still lacks Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, a web browser, SD card support. The Wii has all of those and by far the most advanced console controller to this day.
Clarke's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:25
Clarke
I'd just hope it has an HDMI or DVI port.
PEICanada7's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:28
PEICanada7
"The giant market they opened up with the Wii is not accustomed or probably ready for the idea of the console life cycle."

You mean the same mainstream consumer who buys a new iPod/iPhone every year, or two? We have no idea what Nintendo's new audience is willing to buy, or not. Everyone always says "oh they won't buy this, or that" but it seems that everything Nintendo puts out they just eat it up.

Did anyone expect for them to buy $100 fitness game almost 25 million times over now? The mainstream consumers are the people who always buy the next big thing. Even more so than the hardcore gamer, so if Nintendo's next console is the next big thing again, than they'll be all over it as well.
Your Moms Hot Lover's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:30
Your Moms Hot Lover
who cares about the specs when the games suck. Will Wii 2 have good games? It seems unlikely no matter what the specs. But they don't care, their challenge at the moment is to convince all those soccer moms to buy an updated Wii.

To address Ammoelf's point - the mainstream are well used to new product updates. Look at the ipod.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:32
The Silent Protagonist
Nintendo makes more decisions that will likely make them loads of money and more successful? Color me surprised.
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:34
Electrium
I imagine a smaller Wii remote for next gen. Maybe a cell phone-sized remote with some buttons. That would be cool, I guess...

Confirmed: NEXT GEN IS STARTING!!!
Springsteen's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:36
Springsteen
Does that cost-efficiency remember anyone about NVidia's participation on Nintendo's new handheld? All Nintendo videogames have been cost-efficient, being released at similar price point of the competition, with equal or better graphics and with a significant PROFIT(The Wii escapes the norm, being much cheaper and, by consequence, weaker).

The interface is developed. as far as I'm concerned, nothing beats a motion-sensitive controller(perhaps with a camera as well) with buttons. Argue as you will, but it's very difficult to find something to replace or build upon it. And even on those cases, a peripheral is all that's needed(Vitality Sensor). One could argue about VR, but do you really want it? Do you want to not be able to freaking communicate with people around you?

The ultimate(as it would seem) gaming interface has been achieved, with a handful of problems. Now, it's about polishing the experience, solving the problems, making things smaller, more intuitive, yet flexible(MORE buttons, please) AND cost-efficient. GameCube was VERY cost-efficient, if you looked at its profit margins. Yet, it was more powerful than PS2 and slightly less than the original X-Box. It's all about intelligent engineering. Nintendo always managed to suck the unimaginable from its consoles. It can make things shitty for developers looking for a quick port, but that's no longer Nintendo's worries, for they've made sure they're not directly competing against Sony and Microsoft(which I believe to be utter bullshit, but I'm trying to understand Miyamoto's statement here).
EggmaniMN's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:44
EggmaniMN
You have to love how everyone tries to equate this with "hrrrrrr graphix wil sux then!" when Iwata's already gone on record (like a full year ago now) that yes, it'll be full HD and everything. But no, everyone's gotta immediately try to put down Nintendo in whatever horrible fanboy QQing way they have.

Congrats, people. You're all jackasses.
pasq242's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:44
pasq242
Anyone else think the graphic looks like a Wii-branded Virtual Lobotomy peripheral?
Berkowitz1337's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:46
Berkowitz1337
@Electrium

Ugh. "NEXT GEN", on top of that being a buzz word, Nintendo tends to stick to LAST GEN.
iEro-Sennin's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:51
iEro-Sennin
So, their next console will be as powerful as the PSP2?
Great.
Just fucking great.
ErigBurger's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 13:58
ErigBurger
I'm betting right now that Dolphin (the Gamecube/Wii emulator) will also work with Nintendo's next console.

I think I'm done with Nintendo for good. Consider me the jilted lover at this point.
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 14:03
Shadowiii
Yeah, it'll be HD and all that, but it'll pretty much be a 360 with motion controls, after the other two consoles have moved on to bigger, more powerful systems. And since you can get the Wii experience in HD on the new PS3 dildo, why would you even bother with a Wii 2?
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 14:12
falinter
I wanna waggle my brain.
TheJesusNinja26's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 14:20
TheJesusNinja26
So it will have an integrated hand crank to power it? What's more cost effective than being the WORST consumer electronics company out there when it comes to not giving a crap about the environment. FYI, i'm no tree hugger, but c'mon this is awful.

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Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 14:20
Monodi
if it doesn't have HD they will be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind.
TheJesusNinja26's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 14:21
TheJesusNinja26
wow that FAILED, try this one

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/toxics/electronics/how-the-companies-line-up
MasterBalls's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 14:25
MasterBalls
I'm still interested to see what Nintendo can do with HD graphics, so if the next Wii is indeed this generation's graphics, thats fine by me.
TheJesusNinja26's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 14:30
TheJesusNinja26
Unless it is HD, has at least the underhood power of 360, and doesn't involve some random chance waggle forced on everygame, I don't care AT ALL. The way the Wii went for me, makes Bobby Kotick seem like a saint. At least Kotick tells us the truth, Miyamoto and Fils-Aime and the white suited Palin look-a-like straight dog and pony'ed us core gamers for the last few YEARS!

Nintendo, you better bring it!!! Prove you care about the core gamers, don't give us lip service.

(Yeah I'm upset and with good reason.)
Niero's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 14:32
Niero
Guys, remember that Nintendo, at its core, has always been a toy company -- and I don't mean that in a condescending way at all.

In the toy space they were able to lead when tech giants weren't in their garden but it's a different world now. They can't compete at that level or they'll put their company at risk (read: Sega).
TheJesusNinja26's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 14:39
TheJesusNinja26
Toy company? What? Just because the gaming market hadn't developed yet and you could only get NES, SNES at KB, TOYSRUS, Playworld, Children's Palace and the like; doesn't mean they are a toy company. There were arcades that people flocked to in the 80's & 90's. I'm not buying that statement
Springsteen's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 14:46
Springsteen
@Niero: Precisely. And that's why I find it a little unsettling that what Miyamoto said looks a little too much like the Wii. This and the 2 videogame cycles that preceded it show that Nintendo has grown quite dependant on innovation to get its point across. I don't see a simple Wii HD working that well at this point, for it would be too close to its competiotor's strategy.
Hcapt's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 14:58
Hcapt
I don't think Myamoto has any idea what the next Nintendo console will look like. Typically the company did simple graphical evolutions, putting their consoles in a slow downward cycle since the NES. Now that they made the Wii, they seem to want to keep a new tradition of making their new products as mainstream and tradition-bucking as the wii. But good ideas can take decades to come up with. That's why for now, Myamoto is simply describing the good things about the wii that the next console will maintain, while avoiding a direct confrontation about a product that has not yet been conceived.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 15:29
Cowboy TTop
I'm no longer listening to anything Nintendo say, until I get a console from them that satisfies both the hardcore and the casuals, don't bullshit us Nintendo, it is possible. All these tempting soundbites of crap I hate, because all I ever get from them is a box with nothing matching the competition. Oh that's right, Nintendo don't consider Sony and MS competition, because they are special. Whatever, Nintendo.

I'm glad I made the jump, from under Nintendo's wing and got a 360. While Nintendo's games are shit hot, I saw for the first time that more can be done to enhance the gaming experience that Nintendo aren't thinking of, either because they are too scared or too lazy. This insane holding back of the tide act I'm not buying anymore.

Come on, we all know Nintendo are good at making their products smaller. And sure, its great that they are making lots of lovely money, but that does not help when developers are opting out of making games for your console. This shows that you only really care about number one, but yet Nintendo are blind as to why developers bailed on GC, and N64 before it. Its simple really, because Nintendo are all about Nintendo, in a kind of insane, self mastubator way, and everyone else can burn. No point in developing for their console, when you can't have something simple like a demo, to help sell it (when will Nintendo wake up on this?). Why? Because of Nintendo not providing a hard drive. No point in making games that can't compete with the strength of Nintendo's games either.

I'll invest in Nintendo handhelds, but as far as the home console arena is concerned, I'm opting out. You have massed enough money now, Nintendo, but your vision beyond controls and games are lacking. Its clear you are just going to bleed off previous gen tech forever, and are too scared of progress.
Vanor's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 15:40
Vanor
The Wii's success dictates that motion controls are the future of gaming. To say otherwise is foolish. All that matters now is to understand why it happened in the first place:

With their high-end gaming, Sony and Microsoft and the rest of the game industry snubbed low-end gamers and potential gamers with their consoles and games. This gave Nintendo an opening to cater to those shunned customers, hence the DS and the Wii. Their success shows that Nintendo knows how to do business in the longterm, whereas we are now seeing that Microsoft and Sony completely fail to do that.

Whereas Sony and Microsoft and most third parties cried and pouted and "hmph"ed at the notion of making games for the masses, Nintendo saw it as an opportunity, and they took it all the way. You don't make customers by ignoring them, and you don't keep customers by treating them like shit and looking down on them. It's like that in every business, so why should it be any different for the game industry? The answer is that it is not, and the industry is suffering for looking down on "non-gamers" and "casual gamers" because they priced themselves out of the market, and with the economy in decline nobody is willing to spend money on HDTVs to play their hardware. They see no difference in the graphics, so they choose the one that offers the most entertainment value for the least amount of money: The DS and Wii.

Nintendo isn't "competing" with Microsoft or Sony because competition means competing over the same values, in this case Microsoft and Sony are competing over the same customers and the same values (HD graphics and processing power), whereas Nintendo has disrupted them by changing those values (changing the context by which we interface with our games).

Nintendo has always sold their consoles in the green. Sony has been selling their consoles at a loss (as has Microsoft). They may have gotten away with just "throwing money at the problem" during the tidal wave of economic growth, but now that it's receded, we're beginning to see that neither of these companies are the financial geniuses they've made themselves out to be.
LoopholeJumper's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 15:41
LoopholeJumper
The constant references to "waggling" just seems amateurish at this point. The console has been out for a few years now, and has plenty of great games and even some classics. Not everything is a "waggle-fest" on the system. The games that do have waggle well use it sparingly and it adds to the gameplay and enjoyment of the titles (NMH, SMG, de Blob, MP3, Madworld).

It'd be awesome to see game journalism, blogging and overall reporting take a step up the ladder and stop the 6th grade style talk. It's getting so old and lame.

Oh, and to all the whiny, hating, ignorant people that bitch about the Wii....YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED ITS GAMES, SO STOP LYING. IF you are a fan of Nintendo, and you've played their top titles and 3rd party gems there isn't really much of a reason to hate them so much right now. Sure NOA is horrendous, and they could be bringing more japanese software over, but that's always been an issue. The truth is that most of you just pick up what you read on the net, hear from friends and then spread your idiocy on messageboards as if you know what you're talking about, which you do not at all.
deaddays's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 15:49
deaddays
The Wii, in my home, has come to be known as the little white box that sits there until I can put a new Mario or Zelda in it. Which means it must be looking forward to next month!
DLZ's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 15:58
DLZ
@ Cowboy Ttop

Ha haaa... you know, if I ran a company that had "fans" like you, I'd probably flip you the proverbial finger too.

I dunno what it is about Nintendo, but they've always been THE gaming company to hate as far back as the 16 bit generation. Always for the most immature, poorly thought out reasons too.

Yes, yes, we all get it. You guys sooooo wanted to love the Wii and bent over backwards to pick out each and every good game for it. But, but, but that evil system is just incapable of providing any sort or decent gaming experience because... because of waggle! And Wii graffix! And because shovelware ruins the good games that are in no way affiliated with them!

Cry moar, bitches. I need your tears to lube up my fleshlight.
Solgrim's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 16:04
Solgrim
As long as it gets HD I don't care.
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 16:05
Shadowiii
I see these articles brought the rabid, irrational Wii fanboys out of the woodwork. Welcome, DLZ! I'm sure you'll enjoy your short stay until Wii news dies down, then go back to the IGN forums.
DLZ's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 16:10
DLZ
Speaking of fanboys, looks like I have one of my own!

If you're going to follow me around, then make yourself useful and go get daddy another beer. Chop chop little boy, I don't have all day.
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 16:15
GoldenGamerXero
Are we now all so bored that we need to hate on something that doesn't actually exist yet?
GEMPadre036's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 16:19
GEMPadre036
To all of you who are concerned about if next "Wii" will be HD, Iwata confirmed it a long time ago in an interview.
Sauce: http://www.videogamer.com/news/iwata_new_console_will_probably_be_hd_2.html
TheJesusNinja26's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 16:25
TheJesusNinja26
@Cowboy TTop - I feel the exact same as you, you are not alone brotha'

@ LoopholeJumper - "Oh, and to all the whiny, hating, ignorant people that bitch about the Wii....YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED ITS GAMES, SO STOP LYING."

I have owned two Wii's and played and bought many games, and other than 2 games I FRIGGING HATED IT! NEVER PLAYED IT! I'm not lying.

You like the Wii, good for you, I think that's great! But guess what MANY other people who purchased Nintendo products all their life like me, felt that the Wii was awful.

Again I'm glad you like it and got your money's worth, IMO it was a huge waste of time and money.

Good day sir
TheJesusNinja26's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 16:28
TheJesusNinja26
@GEMPadre036 - thank you, I forgot that bit of info. That's a step in the right direction.
thunderleg's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 16:31
thunderleg
I strongly doubt that 98% of the posters here know anything about the costs & power of PC hardware, which is what the recent consoles are built from. Manufacturers, processor & GPU generations, capabilities, costs, CMOS process technology, etc. It's so very easy to be reactionary and say "OMG!!! WII IS HALF A PSP!!! LOLOLOL!!!"
Oncomouse's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2009 16:44
Oncomouse
@TheJesusNinja26

Nintendo has been around since the 1800's. They were a playing card company, ran a series of bowling alleys in Japan, and designed numerous toys. The NES was an electronic toy. They made a killing in video games, and that's what people associate them with. But they really are a toy company. I've seen other industry people talk about how Nintendo is a toy company while Sony and Microsoft are hardware/software companies. It's not a knock against Nintendo, it's just a different philosophy.
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