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This is ridiculous. Bethesda is trying to trademark the word "Scrolls" Are you fucking serious? Look "Elder Scrolls" I can understand but a one word trademark is stupid.
Props to Notch for being cool about it though. I think he'll win, just hope he doesn't waste too much money in a frivolous lawsuit cause he needs to be making more crazy games.
Props to Notch for being cool about it though. I think he'll win, just hope he doesn't waste too much money in a frivolous lawsuit cause he needs to be making more crazy games.
It's probably not Bethesda's fault, just their lawyers getting defensive. Still a pretty shitty deal all round, though.
I don't called "Elder Scrolls" the name "Scrolls". I normally say "Morrowind", "Oblivion", or "Skyrim"...
This is just like when that guy tried to sue the makers of EDGE. Bethesda are acting like giant pricks right now. Besides, most people I know of refer to the different Elder Scrolls games by their subtitle more than anything else. I highly doubt Scrolls is going to have any kind of effect on the sales of Skyrim, so wtf?
Do we yet know if Bethesda is really making a case here, or if it is just a team of lawyers? Has Bethesda themselves actually said anything?
Why couldn't this be filed in America!!! We need a developer to create a precedent so douches like Tim Langdell can't run off and trademark troll.
As someone who works in a video game store, I know for a fact that barely anyone knows these games as "The Elder Scrolls." They only ask for Oblivion, Morrowind, and when is Skyrim coming out?
@Xaeius
That goes for just about everyone that plays the Elder Scrolls series. No one calls them "Elder Scrolls 3" or "Elder Scrolls 4". They're always Oblivion, Morrowind, and now Skyrim.
Hell, I'm pretty sure that when Oblivion was first announced, some referred to it as Morrowind 2.
That goes for just about everyone that plays the Elder Scrolls series. No one calls them "Elder Scrolls 3" or "Elder Scrolls 4". They're always Oblivion, Morrowind, and now Skyrim.
Hell, I'm pretty sure that when Oblivion was first announced, some referred to it as Morrowind 2.
Most people who played Oblivion call it oblivion.
Most people who talk about skyrim call it skyrim.
Most people hardly even associate the elder scrolls part.
Most people who talk about skyrim call it skyrim.
Most people hardly even associate the elder scrolls part.
Not gonna end well for Bethesda, you mean?
Scrolls shows up when you search for Scrolls, and most articles which discuss Skyrim just call it Skyrim in the headlines.
Scrolls shows up when you search for Scrolls, and most articles which discuss Skyrim just call it Skyrim in the headlines.
Bethesda attorney, Jeannie May Crawford, was seen leaving a meeting with Bethesda executives involving the their pending case, and the status of the patch needed to fix her defective facial software.
If he put something in front of it like "Wise" Scrolls they may have something.. but this is stupid. It's as if Nintendo sued everyone who used "Super" in their game title.
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This is ridiculous. Bethesda is trying to trademark the word "Scrolls" Are you fucking serious? Look "Elder Scrolls" I can understand but a one word trademark is stupid.
Props to Notch for being cool about it though. I think he'll win, just hope he doesn't waste too much money in a frivolous lawsuit cause he needs to be making more crazy games."
No this whole dispute is because Notch wants to trademark the word scrolls
This is ridiculous. Bethesda is trying to trademark the word "Scrolls" Are you fucking serious? Look "Elder Scrolls" I can understand but a one word trademark is stupid.
Props to Notch for being cool about it though. I think he'll win, just hope he doesn't waste too much money in a frivolous lawsuit cause he needs to be making more crazy games."
No this whole dispute is because Notch wants to trademark the word scrolls
Hate to say it, Bethesda (actually I don't hate to say it at all), but when someone says "Scrolls" I associate it with Diablo.
Scroll of Town Portal, bitches.
Scroll of Town Portal, bitches.
Destructoid commenter OneRed has filed a defamation case against Bethesda, claiming they used "glitch voodoo" on his recently posted Bethesda based comment in an attempt to discredit and humiliate him.
Unfortunate coming from a developer/publisher I usually associate with happiness and awesome games.
But, with what they seeming pulled on Interplay over the Fallout name/series/assets, and now this, maybe they just have a ruthless legal team.
I hope Bethesda loses.
But, with what they seeming pulled on Interplay over the Fallout name/series/assets, and now this, maybe they just have a ruthless legal team.
I hope Bethesda loses.
I'm more alarmed that Blizzard didn't get all pissed off over the MineCRAFT thing, this scrolls stuff is a little baseless.
Now if his next game has something like this happen I would start declaring it a pattern.
Now if his next game has something like this happen I would start declaring it a pattern.
@ macrobstar
Yes you're right. But even Notch admits that he's not sure they even can trademark one word like Scrolls, but they sent it anyway. I think he's aware that the trademark would probably be more like "Scrolls: Sorcery adventure" or something like that.
I just think Bethesda is being petty and has no case.
Yes you're right. But even Notch admits that he's not sure they even can trademark one word like Scrolls, but they sent it anyway. I think he's aware that the trademark would probably be more like "Scrolls: Sorcery adventure" or something like that.
I just think Bethesda is being petty and has no case.
Good on him, Bethesda is being a bunch of douchers on this one. I imagine he's going to walk in with a fucking assload of prior examples (as mentioned) and just point to them. I have a hard time believing a judge is going to think "Wow, but Elder Scrolls" is such an AWESOME series that people will just be confused!
It's a stupid court case but one that Mojang can't win. Who cares if people love Minecraft? They don't have the money legal teams to compete with Beth. At best it'll be settled outside of court.
It's such a ludicrous lawsuit. Imagine if Nintendo sued the devs of League of Legends because it had the word "Legend" in it, like "Legend of Zelda". What fuckery.
This is stupid I have always called it "that game where I was killed by a fish 5minutes into the ggame" and "horsearmorgasm"....I have never played minecraft nor wanted to and I'm on their side, that is sad
Hey Jim! Is there any official statement from Bethesda on this? Would love to hear from someone from the actual company that isn't a lawyer.
Or are they just gonna pretend that this is something that isn't actually happening? Does anyone know?
Or are they just gonna pretend that this is something that isn't actually happening? Does anyone know?
@Chongomaster
And that is exactly the spirit that makes everyone get away with it, hyperrealistic scum.
And that is exactly the spirit that makes everyone get away with it, hyperrealistic scum.
@Chongomaster - Why do you think he "can't" win? Just because of money? While expensive lawyers are great, the system isn't so simplified that money = win.
It sounds more like you just hate mincraft and want him to fail. >.>
It sounds more like you just hate mincraft and want him to fail. >.>
@arkane9
They haven't said anything yet. Hell, if you even mention the matter on their official forums, they lock the thread. It's pretty clear they don't want to talk about it.
They haven't said anything yet. Hell, if you even mention the matter on their official forums, they lock the thread. It's pretty clear they don't want to talk about it.
Why is Bethesda all about scrolls? It's not their word. Bethesda has lost their warm place in my heart.
Notch shouldn't fight with money, he should represent himself, and bring some zombies for irony.
Notch shouldn't fight with money, he should represent himself, and bring some zombies for irony.
Unfortunately, Bethesda sat on this too long. If they'd sent a Cease and Desist letter right when the title was announced, they might have had a shot. NOT snatching up Scrolls.com long ago doesn't help their case, either.
Just so everyone knows, scapegoating it on lawyers is pathetic. Lawyers were hired by the company to represent the company. They are the legal face of Bethesda. We should rightfully be looking at Bethesda like shitheads. Even if they had a case they are messing with a company that has probably as many employees as bethesdas bathroom cleaning staff.
In conclusion, fuck Bethesda...
In conclusion, fuck Bethesda...
Agreed with Sean.
Not only that, but if this was just a beaurocratic mixup, the higher ups at Bethesda would be addressing it as such. They've chosen not to do so.
It looks like Tycho at Penny Arcade is going to be weighing in today with his blogpost, if today's comic is any indication.
Not only that, but if this was just a beaurocratic mixup, the higher ups at Bethesda would be addressing it as such. They've chosen not to do so.
It looks like Tycho at Penny Arcade is going to be weighing in today with his blogpost, if today's comic is any indication.
I seriously love Bethesda, i think Skyrim may very well become the best video game EVER. But this lawsuit is bullshit, its really shamefull.
"it all depends on how much consumers associated the word "Scrolls" with the Elder Scrolls series"
0. Nada. Absolutely nothing. Seriously, when was the last time anyone not employed by Bethesda thought about "The Elder Scrolls"? In fact, I once had a conversation with a friend that went something like this:
Me: Did you ever play TES 4?
Friend: TES 4? Never heard of it.
Me: Really? Come on man, how can you NOT have heard about Oblivion? It's one of the best games ever!
Friend: Oh right, Oblivion, I know. I haven't played yet, but I've been meaning to, I heard it's awesome.
True story.
0. Nada. Absolutely nothing. Seriously, when was the last time anyone not employed by Bethesda thought about "The Elder Scrolls"? In fact, I once had a conversation with a friend that went something like this:
Me: Did you ever play TES 4?
Friend: TES 4? Never heard of it.
Me: Really? Come on man, how can you NOT have heard about Oblivion? It's one of the best games ever!
Friend: Oh right, Oblivion, I know. I haven't played yet, but I've been meaning to, I heard it's awesome.
True story.
@ Sean Payne- You can't blame developers for something marketing does. You can't go to Todd Howard and berate him about this decision when he had nothing to do with it.
havnt companies tried to trademark single words for years now?
im trademarking "fuck" and "you" after my lunch break.
im trademarking "fuck" and "you" after my lunch break.
@GoodGuyA
Why not?
I mean, think about it: They're allowing this. They're not publicly speaking up and denouncing this. They're giving their approval for this by not saying anything at all. And the fact they're not addressing it publicly means that they know they're doing something people are going to disapprove of and they have no justification for it.
I mean, if a company I like starts doing nasty things to another company I like, hell yes I hold the first company responsible.
Why not?
I mean, think about it: They're allowing this. They're not publicly speaking up and denouncing this. They're giving their approval for this by not saying anything at all. And the fact they're not addressing it publicly means that they know they're doing something people are going to disapprove of and they have no justification for it.
I mean, if a company I like starts doing nasty things to another company I like, hell yes I hold the first company responsible.
Today's episode of Sesame Street is brought to you by the letter "..". Sadly the letter ".." has been trademarket and we're not allowed to use it.
I've always called it Morrowind, Oblivion or Skyrim depending on the game. Hell, sometimes I call Skyrim "Oblivion" by mistake since I'm so used to it.
Same way I always say Vice City, and San Andreas instead of Grand Theft Auto.
Same way I always say Vice City, and San Andreas instead of Grand Theft Auto.
@meteorscrap - Agreed, good point. Locking threads and not giving a public response - when this has been in the news for awhile, now - means they know damn well what's going on, and what people think about it. Soooooo... why the silence?
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