@holyetheline

Children with armies of children to fight their wars. Keep up the good fight, whormongr and gamera.

To be fair, counting the units people OWN (MS) makes a lot more sense than units SHIPPED (Sony).

@zer0faults,

I didn't say returned units, I said exchanged. ;)

PS2 love <3. But PS3 haet. Seriously, $ony is notorious for counting shipped ones as sold. If MS did that then it would ACTUALLY have an install base in Japan even.

That's funny because I remember not to long ago that appaerently MS was counting by units shipped as well, and I haven't heard about that changing.

Either way this entire article reeks of PR and BS. Ill wait for third party confirmation, but for the time being both parties are lying as far as I'm concerned.

@ndschroede23

Who’s fighting? I never said I agreed with MS’ install assertion nor have the numbers ever really mattered to me. Base install is usually something that matters more so in the early going of a console’s life and is a tool with which manufacturers court developers.

On the other hand, I have noticed trends in message threads. I don’t see 360 owners personalizing on quite the same level as I do fans of other consoles (that’s not to say that I don’t see silly 360 behavior-just less). I see bloggers attacked for simply reporting news Sony related that may be considered negative and I view this as brow-beating and ultimately influential in the quality of information provided by gaming news outlets.

But, if you view what I’ve expressed as childish, I am big enough to deal with it…..I do think that if you are going to answer Holytheline’s question, you should do so sincerely rather than offering a cheap shot on people discussing a disagreement. After all, when you do that you demonstrate that you are just as childish as those you are leveling accusations at….there is no is no high road there. Thanks for playing tho'! :)

@ Gamera

bla bla bla...

You could very easily insert the word 'Microsoft' for 'Sony' in your original rant and it wouldn't change a thing. Talk about small sample size...

I understand it's your opinion, and of course I have my own, but I try to look at it a bit more realistically and think that it all evens out in the end. Both sides have fanboys who throw insults and act childish. It all evens out in the end. Just because my perception is that there are more immature fanboys in Microsoft's camp, I realize that my bias is partly to blame, and also like I said, it's the same on both sides.

@stoph

LOL yeah we all have assholes/opinions/fanboys...but I would still like to see a breakdown of the raw numbers of whiners by console....if I am wrong...I am wrong...but I doubt I am ;) Ahahahaha!

"We're confident..."? So you mean you KINDA think you're ahead of the competition?

Next time, count them properly instead of remembering you've been into two households with 360's and concluding that MS is ahead by a million units.

Better yet, don't count at all.

Yes, both Microsoft and Sony.

And fuck, Nintendo too.

Strange that MS says that Sony only state shipped units when I read a while ago that it was the other way round.

Just found :http://news.spong.com/article/19131/SCEE-Clarifies-PS3-Install-Base-Maths

This suggests that both companies are actually using sold to customer numbers which puts Sony ahead by 1m. On the other hand there may be some regional differences in what Sony & MS class as "Europe".

Then again both companies could be talking bollocks about how they count sales just to get the upper hand. It's all PR arse talking.

This could be legitimate. When companies talk about "numbers" they sometimes mean sold to consumers, and sometimes mean sold to retailers.

So it could be that xbox has 9 million units sold to consumers, while PS3 has 10 million units sold to retailers, but only 8 million off shelves and in the hands of consumers.

Or it could all be bull!

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