Sony currently claims an install base of 10 million in Europe, while Microsoft recently revealed a 360 install base of 9 million. Despite this, the Xbox 360 brand holder claims that Sony is doing it wrong and that MS still leads by about a million units. This is because of a special thing called Magic Logic.
"We’re confident we are actually around a million units ahead," argues Xbox Europe boss Chris Lewis. "We count installed base differently to them.
"We count the number of units in the hands of consumers. We are committed to continuing that momentum -- not only in places like the UK, France and Germany. Continued growth in all parts of Europe is integral to winning [against PS3] overall."
I love how Microsoft can just say "it's different" and that automatically means they've won. Both companies have been guilty of these brilliant logic leaps in the past, simply claiming that something is the way it is because they said so. I guarantee that this generation will end with both companies claiming they won it.
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3:00 PM on 09.03.2009
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At least everybody will end up being happy :)
At least they'll win some sympathy points for the chuckles.
I think you have it backward. Microsoft is notorious for channel stuffing, not to mention the 360's far more widespread system failure has lead to more exchanges at retail, which inflates the 360's numbers as exchanges are counted by retailers (and thus NPD) as units sold.
unless 25% of gamers currently own colecovisions
For once MS has it right, install base = number of systems in consumers hands.
I would LOVE to see insult swordfighting between P.R people.
So they're boasting a Console that is a year or so older than the PS3 (in Europe atleast) is 1 million ahead when in reality, it's one million behind?
I would consider that to be a decisive victory on Sony's part =/
Your hemorrhoids are flaring up again, eh?
Natal vs Pron Wand vs (insert here) Wii peripheral.
I still own mine, of the small circle of gaming friends I have, so yes.. your statement is true!! :)
Hey Guys! Why don't we make it seem like basic bussiness practises are a competition to sell more of our shit!
Yeah!
3 years later
WE MUST SLAY THE GREAT DRAGION OF SONYLAND, PlayStation the third, BEFORE HE TAKES OVER ALL OF MICROSOFT VILLAGE!
But Sir L33T! All of our armour seems to have been tailred incorrectly and 50% of our soldiers are alreadly down!
THEN WE MUST DIVERT OUR ATTENION TO NINTENDO TOWN AND KILL THE WII ORGE! QUICK SOMEONE FETCH THE SWORD OF NATAL!
...
Someone should be LARPing this shit.
360 supporters seem to care less about these things, at least from what I have seen on Dtoid. The same temperament, even in the most un-scientific of studies, does not hold true when the flaimbait article is Sony themed. If someone so much as whispers negatively regarding Sony, many of the same pro-Sony voices found on this thread have a conniption fit.
If I do get a ps3 (still not sure the game library merits $300 – don’t twist your thongs – this represents MY opinion), I will not get a mic with the console as I’m interested in communicating/gaming with rational beings. Funny, many Sony fans make fun of the kids on Xbox-live for their adolescent behavior (a group of people that I also avoid), but in reality most of you would fit in perfectly with the worst “Live” has to offer.
PS: I’m not trying to curtail anyone’s free speech (feel free to make yourself seem petty and small), I am just pointing out something that has become obvious to me. I have been hearing from Sony fans since the birth of the Xbox about how they were going to be crushed (many of them predicting it would happen within 6 months of the Xbox launch)….give it up. The song has grown old…
Reported August 3: http://www.edge-online.com/news/ps3-installed-base-doubles - they're up to 22.7 million units worldwide.
Reported August 3: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/playstation-3-install-base-reaches-23-million-worldwide - they're up to 23.8 million units worldwide.
Reported June 3: http://www.edge-online.com/news/sony-posts-q1-loss-as-playstation-sales-decline - sales have declined.
So are they doing well or not?
Who knows? Who cares? If you enjoy the console you have it doesn't matter how well it's selling compared to another console (unless it's pulling a dreamcast - and it's obvious that none of the consoles this generation are doing that). The only thing I've seen affected by these numbers so far is whether or not a game is exclusive to a particular console. Exclusivity doesn't affect me at all unless I've only got the console that doesn't get the exclusive release.
Sorry for the re-post everyone, but I want my thoughts to be understood in their fullness...
Its amazing to me that a flaimbait article like this draws plenty of negative pro-Sony (and familiar faces to boot) comments with maybe one defensive pro-MS comment. ONE out 35 (at least when I started writing this) offered retaliation to troll like comments.
Heh….still not buying that the average Sony fan is 28 and educated with childlike antics such as these. I am not saying that every one of the 34 comments represents barbs launched at MS, but the majority of comments are guilty to some degree.
360 supporters seem to care less about these things, at least from what I have seen on Dtoid. The same temperament, even in the most un-scientific of studies, does not hold true when the flaimbait article is Sony themed. If someone so much as whispers negatively regarding Sony, many of the same pro-Sony voices found on this thread have a conniption fit.
If I do get a ps3 (still not sure the game library merits $300 – don’t twist your thongs – this represents MY opinion), I will not get a mic with the console as I’m interested in communicating/gaming with rational beings. Funny, many Sony fans make fun of the kids on Xbox-live for their adolescent behavior (a group of people that I also avoid), but in reality most of you would fit in perfectly with the worst “Live” has to offer.
PS: I’m not trying to curtail anyone’s free speech (feel free to make yourself seem petty and small), I am just pointing out something that has become obvious to me. I have been hearing from Sony fans since the birth of the Xbox about how they were going to be crushed (many of them predicting it would happen within 6 months of the Xbox launch)….give it up. The song has grown old…
you have got to be kidding me right? pretty much every post that even remotely has to do with game x or peripheral y or firmware z for the ps3 has at least 10+ responses saying things like "nail in the coffin- suck it fanboys" or "the ps3 is a piece of crap" or any other number of ridiculous insults thrown at it. The reverse though is not true as when 360 only stories are up you don't see ps3 owners saying things like "360 sucks" or anything
No, I am not kidding you...yeah I see a few silly comments by Xbots (most of which are intentional in their attempt to purposely rile thin-skinned Sony fans), but more comments are levied by Sony fanatics. LoOk at ThIs thread...There are 2 maybe three defensive postures...how many comments do you see deriding MS in some shape or form? I would be interested in a double-blind study (LOL) of these threads as I doubt it would fall down the middle regarding inflammatory comments. But hey, until any sophisticated study is conducted, you are of course allowed your opinion. ;)
when it comes down to it I guess you can take away what you want, to you I guess that 360 owners are either making silly comments or being faaar more mature than ps3 owners, but then I guess that slurs seem a little less important when you aren't on the receiving end and easier to dismiss.
No¡KI did not say that 360 fans were more mature. What I did say, was that they appear to respond less often and I welcome a tally of these types of arguments. I also said that PS3 fans ridicule 360 owners and their adolescent tendencies, but in actuality, they (PS3 zealots) are NO different than the object of their taunts. This clarification of sentiment is for posterity¡K.I don¡¦t want my words twisted or misunderstood. Other than that¡Kit¡¦s all gravy. ƒº