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Sony has notoriously always counted "shipped" consoles as "sold" consoles. Microsoft counts only the consoles in the hands of the consumers. The PS2 install base was impressive, either way. I <3 PS2.
"I guarantee that this generation will end with both companies claiming they won it."
At least everybody will end up being happy :)
At least everybody will end up being happy :)
Sony isn't doing too bad, considering the PS3 came out 15 months after the 360 was released. But Europe is filled with Sony fanboys anyway. :D
I still know absolutely no-one to play online PS3 games with, yet practically everyone around me owns an Xbox 360 which I rarely use. I want to know where these extra million people are so I've got someone to play Killzone with!
Why don't they just say something random like "My dad is stronger than your dad!" or "Our brand is cooler than your brand".
At least they'll win some sympathy points for the chuckles.
At least they'll win some sympathy points for the chuckles.
@craigbezzel,
I think you have it backward. Microsoft is notorious for channel stuffing, not to mention the 360's far more widespread system failure has lead to more exchanges at retail, which inflates the 360's numbers as exchanges are counted by retailers (and thus NPD) as units sold.
I think you have it backward. Microsoft is notorious for channel stuffing, not to mention the 360's far more widespread system failure has lead to more exchanges at retail, which inflates the 360's numbers as exchanges are counted by retailers (and thus NPD) as units sold.
Sony tends to think logically rather than what their consumers want. So I'm not really surprised at all about this what so ever.
Return units do not count as sales, that makes no sense, it would mean with a 20% failure rate, that the numbers were inflated by 20%. However with them claiming 10 million each, you can just look around and see by your friends if the Xbox is really in that much less hands, obviously not.
If winning means shipping consoles with close to a %50 failure rate then sure, ring the bell in Microsoft's favor.
You know, it wouldn't surprise me if all million of those consoles were bought by the same three people, all as replacements.
I like how if MS isn't in the lead with something they go to their mystical land of magical numbers that will automatically warp reality to force them into believing they are in first place. Nice try MS but sorry, you still lose this one.
Im honestly not trolling here, but does Microsoft count RROD xbox's and their replacements? Because that could really skew the numbers all over the world over the years.
@Genius - So you think shipping unsold consoles to stores is more an indication of install base then the number of consoles sold to consumers? The funny numbers here are the Sony numbers. MS easily count system in stores and probably come up with just as high of a number.
For once MS has it right, install base = number of systems in consumers hands.
For once MS has it right, install base = number of systems in consumers hands.
Hmm...
So they're boasting a Console that is a year or so older than the PS3 (in Europe atleast) is 1 million ahead when in reality, it's one million behind?
I would consider that to be a decisive victory on Sony's part =/
So they're boasting a Console that is a year or so older than the PS3 (in Europe atleast) is 1 million ahead when in reality, it's one million behind?
I would consider that to be a decisive victory on Sony's part =/
I don't care about this anymore, it is just a flame bait. Just wait for next year and lets see the real competition.
Natal vs Pron Wand vs (insert here) Wii peripheral.
Natal vs Pron Wand vs (insert here) Wii peripheral.
@Hopeless Savage, "unless 25% of gamers currently own colecovisions"
I still own mine, of the small circle of gaming friends I have, so yes.. your statement is true!! :)
I still own mine, of the small circle of gaming friends I have, so yes.. your statement is true!! :)
It's hilarious watching you fan-boys laughing at PS3 thinking Sony's the one that reports shipped vs sold consoles. It is in fact Microsoft that's guilty of doing so. Hence the Xbox numbers are the ones that are inflated, not the PS3 numbers.
That's just sad but I love Mircosoft's crazy console war talk. They talk as though they've spent so long trying to play it up they've actually bought into it themselves.
Hey Guys! Why don't we make it seem like basic bussiness practises are a competition to sell more of our shit!
Yeah!
3 years later
WE MUST SLAY THE GREAT DRAGION OF SONYLAND, PlayStation the third, BEFORE HE TAKES OVER ALL OF MICROSOFT VILLAGE!
But Sir L33T! All of our armour seems to have been tailred incorrectly and 50% of our soldiers are alreadly down!
THEN WE MUST DIVERT OUR ATTENION TO NINTENDO TOWN AND KILL THE WII ORGE! QUICK SOMEONE FETCH THE SWORD OF NATAL!
...
Someone should be LARPing this shit.
Hey Guys! Why don't we make it seem like basic bussiness practises are a competition to sell more of our shit!
Yeah!
3 years later
WE MUST SLAY THE GREAT DRAGION OF SONYLAND, PlayStation the third, BEFORE HE TAKES OVER ALL OF MICROSOFT VILLAGE!
But Sir L33T! All of our armour seems to have been tailred incorrectly and 50% of our soldiers are alreadly down!
THEN WE MUST DIVERT OUR ATTENION TO NINTENDO TOWN AND KILL THE WII ORGE! QUICK SOMEONE FETCH THE SWORD OF NATAL!
...
Someone should be LARPing this shit.
Actually, by my count, the "Nerdy Suit Entertainment System" (NSES) is beating out both the PS3 and the 360 combined by one million. I count the installed base differently than both of them do.
Both PS3 and 360 are guilty of shamelessy inflating numbers beyond what they should be. Sony for counting shelved consoles and MS for RRoD consoles, tip of the freakin iceburg and it's all a big PR stunt. And Nintendo doesn't even bother since the numbers they throw out are pretty much no contest with the others. They're fooling everyone into buying their Wii's and DS's that all they do is sit back and laugh.
Heh….still not buying that the average Sony fan is 28 and educated with childlike antics such as these. I am not saying that every one of the 34 comments represents barbs launched at MS, but the majority of comments are guilty to some degree.
360 supporters seem to care less about these things, at least from what I have seen on Dtoid. The same temperament, even in the most un-scientific of studies, does not hold true when the flaimbait article is Sony themed. If someone so much as whispers negatively regarding Sony, many of the same pro-Sony voices found on this thread have a conniption fit.
If I do get a ps3 (still not sure the game library merits $300 – don’t twist your thongs – this represents MY opinion), I will not get a mic with the console as I’m interested in communicating/gaming with rational beings. Funny, many Sony fans make fun of the kids on Xbox-live for their adolescent behavior (a group of people that I also avoid), but in reality most of you would fit in perfectly with the worst “Live” has to offer.
PS: I’m not trying to curtail anyone’s free speech (feel free to make yourself seem petty and small), I am just pointing out something that has become obvious to me. I have been hearing from Sony fans since the birth of the Xbox about how they were going to be crushed (many of them predicting it would happen within 6 months of the Xbox launch)….give it up. The song has grown old…
360 supporters seem to care less about these things, at least from what I have seen on Dtoid. The same temperament, even in the most un-scientific of studies, does not hold true when the flaimbait article is Sony themed. If someone so much as whispers negatively regarding Sony, many of the same pro-Sony voices found on this thread have a conniption fit.
If I do get a ps3 (still not sure the game library merits $300 – don’t twist your thongs – this represents MY opinion), I will not get a mic with the console as I’m interested in communicating/gaming with rational beings. Funny, many Sony fans make fun of the kids on Xbox-live for their adolescent behavior (a group of people that I also avoid), but in reality most of you would fit in perfectly with the worst “Live” has to offer.
PS: I’m not trying to curtail anyone’s free speech (feel free to make yourself seem petty and small), I am just pointing out something that has become obvious to me. I have been hearing from Sony fans since the birth of the Xbox about how they were going to be crushed (many of them predicting it would happen within 6 months of the Xbox launch)….give it up. The song has grown old…
I don't know what to believe anymore.
Reported August 3: http://www.edge-online.com/news/ps3-installed-base-doubles - they're up to 22.7 million units worldwide.
Reported August 3: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/playstation-3-install-base-reaches-23-million-worldwide - they're up to 23.8 million units worldwide.
Reported June 3: http://www.edge-online.com/news/sony-posts-q1-loss-as-playstation-sales-decline - sales have declined.
So are they doing well or not?
Who knows? Who cares? If you enjoy the console you have it doesn't matter how well it's selling compared to another console (unless it's pulling a dreamcast - and it's obvious that none of the consoles this generation are doing that). The only thing I've seen affected by these numbers so far is whether or not a game is exclusive to a particular console. Exclusivity doesn't affect me at all unless I've only got the console that doesn't get the exclusive release.
Reported August 3: http://www.edge-online.com/news/ps3-installed-base-doubles - they're up to 22.7 million units worldwide.
Reported August 3: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/playstation-3-install-base-reaches-23-million-worldwide - they're up to 23.8 million units worldwide.
Reported June 3: http://www.edge-online.com/news/sony-posts-q1-loss-as-playstation-sales-decline - sales have declined.
So are they doing well or not?
Who knows? Who cares? If you enjoy the console you have it doesn't matter how well it's selling compared to another console (unless it's pulling a dreamcast - and it's obvious that none of the consoles this generation are doing that). The only thing I've seen affected by these numbers so far is whether or not a game is exclusive to a particular console. Exclusivity doesn't affect me at all unless I've only got the console that doesn't get the exclusive release.
With the headstart MS had, if they only have a lead of a million consoles at this point (which is a dubious claim since it comes from MS PR) then they're about to lose that lead with the Slim and price drop on the 120gb model and exclusives like God of War 3 and Uncharted 2 coming down the pipe. MS should strip out the expenses they've incurred on the extended warranties and the amount of re-work that's been done on their 54% fail rate system as well and give us some NET profit figures instead of these numbers that only massage their own egos.
**Hmmmm my rant makes more sense when I don't neglect to post the first portion of it**
Sorry for the re-post everyone, but I want my thoughts to be understood in their fullness...
Its amazing to me that a flaimbait article like this draws plenty of negative pro-Sony (and familiar faces to boot) comments with maybe one defensive pro-MS comment. ONE out 35 (at least when I started writing this) offered retaliation to troll like comments.
Heh….still not buying that the average Sony fan is 28 and educated with childlike antics such as these. I am not saying that every one of the 34 comments represents barbs launched at MS, but the majority of comments are guilty to some degree.
360 supporters seem to care less about these things, at least from what I have seen on Dtoid. The same temperament, even in the most un-scientific of studies, does not hold true when the flaimbait article is Sony themed. If someone so much as whispers negatively regarding Sony, many of the same pro-Sony voices found on this thread have a conniption fit.
If I do get a ps3 (still not sure the game library merits $300 – don’t twist your thongs – this represents MY opinion), I will not get a mic with the console as I’m interested in communicating/gaming with rational beings. Funny, many Sony fans make fun of the kids on Xbox-live for their adolescent behavior (a group of people that I also avoid), but in reality most of you would fit in perfectly with the worst “Live” has to offer.
PS: I’m not trying to curtail anyone’s free speech (feel free to make yourself seem petty and small), I am just pointing out something that has become obvious to me. I have been hearing from Sony fans since the birth of the Xbox about how they were going to be crushed (many of them predicting it would happen within 6 months of the Xbox launch)….give it up. The song has grown old…
Sorry for the re-post everyone, but I want my thoughts to be understood in their fullness...
Its amazing to me that a flaimbait article like this draws plenty of negative pro-Sony (and familiar faces to boot) comments with maybe one defensive pro-MS comment. ONE out 35 (at least when I started writing this) offered retaliation to troll like comments.
Heh….still not buying that the average Sony fan is 28 and educated with childlike antics such as these. I am not saying that every one of the 34 comments represents barbs launched at MS, but the majority of comments are guilty to some degree.
360 supporters seem to care less about these things, at least from what I have seen on Dtoid. The same temperament, even in the most un-scientific of studies, does not hold true when the flaimbait article is Sony themed. If someone so much as whispers negatively regarding Sony, many of the same pro-Sony voices found on this thread have a conniption fit.
If I do get a ps3 (still not sure the game library merits $300 – don’t twist your thongs – this represents MY opinion), I will not get a mic with the console as I’m interested in communicating/gaming with rational beings. Funny, many Sony fans make fun of the kids on Xbox-live for their adolescent behavior (a group of people that I also avoid), but in reality most of you would fit in perfectly with the worst “Live” has to offer.
PS: I’m not trying to curtail anyone’s free speech (feel free to make yourself seem petty and small), I am just pointing out something that has become obvious to me. I have been hearing from Sony fans since the birth of the Xbox about how they were going to be crushed (many of them predicting it would happen within 6 months of the Xbox launch)….give it up. The song has grown old…
@GameraTheGreat
you have got to be kidding me right? pretty much every post that even remotely has to do with game x or peripheral y or firmware z for the ps3 has at least 10+ responses saying things like "nail in the coffin- suck it fanboys" or "the ps3 is a piece of crap" or any other number of ridiculous insults thrown at it. The reverse though is not true as when 360 only stories are up you don't see ps3 owners saying things like "360 sucks" or anything
you have got to be kidding me right? pretty much every post that even remotely has to do with game x or peripheral y or firmware z for the ps3 has at least 10+ responses saying things like "nail in the coffin- suck it fanboys" or "the ps3 is a piece of crap" or any other number of ridiculous insults thrown at it. The reverse though is not true as when 360 only stories are up you don't see ps3 owners saying things like "360 sucks" or anything
@whormongr
No, I am not kidding you...yeah I see a few silly comments by Xbots (most of which are intentional in their attempt to purposely rile thin-skinned Sony fans), but more comments are levied by Sony fanatics. LoOk at ThIs thread...There are 2 maybe three defensive postures...how many comments do you see deriding MS in some shape or form? I would be interested in a double-blind study (LOL) of these threads as I doubt it would fall down the middle regarding inflammatory comments. But hey, until any sophisticated study is conducted, you are of course allowed your opinion. ;)
No, I am not kidding you...yeah I see a few silly comments by Xbots (most of which are intentional in their attempt to purposely rile thin-skinned Sony fans), but more comments are levied by Sony fanatics. LoOk at ThIs thread...There are 2 maybe three defensive postures...how many comments do you see deriding MS in some shape or form? I would be interested in a double-blind study (LOL) of these threads as I doubt it would fall down the middle regarding inflammatory comments. But hey, until any sophisticated study is conducted, you are of course allowed your opinion. ;)
I think it's Microsoft who is doing it all wrong. Considering the simple fact that it HAS been out longer, but also I'm sure just to boost sales numbers they also count all the 360's that have been re-purchased thanks to the infamous RROD. Not a fair competition.
@GameraTheGreat
when it comes down to it I guess you can take away what you want, to you I guess that 360 owners are either making silly comments or being faaar more mature than ps3 owners, but then I guess that slurs seem a little less important when you aren't on the receiving end and easier to dismiss.
when it comes down to it I guess you can take away what you want, to you I guess that 360 owners are either making silly comments or being faaar more mature than ps3 owners, but then I guess that slurs seem a little less important when you aren't on the receiving end and easier to dismiss.
@whormongr
No¡KI did not say that 360 fans were more mature. What I did say, was that they appear to respond less often and I welcome a tally of these types of arguments. I also said that PS3 fans ridicule 360 owners and their adolescent tendencies, but in actuality, they (PS3 zealots) are NO different than the object of their taunts. This clarification of sentiment is for posterity¡K.I don¡¦t want my words twisted or misunderstood. Other than that¡Kit¡¦s all gravy. ƒº
No¡KI did not say that 360 fans were more mature. What I did say, was that they appear to respond less often and I welcome a tally of these types of arguments. I also said that PS3 fans ridicule 360 owners and their adolescent tendencies, but in actuality, they (PS3 zealots) are NO different than the object of their taunts. This clarification of sentiment is for posterity¡K.I don¡¦t want my words twisted or misunderstood. Other than that¡Kit¡¦s all gravy. ƒº
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