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Games in general across both HD consoles, have SUFFERED so far this generation by being unable to take advantage of the capacity of blu-ray because publishers and developers are unable to turn down the huge Xbox market and as such limit their creativity to the limitations of the Xbox.
I mean the ratings of PS3 exclusives really does go to show how blu-ray = better games.
Hopefully now that more devs are creating games on the PS3 and porting over to the 360 we'll see a change in the trend, but still the DVD limitations will need to be taken into account.
Not to mention the films! I loves me some 1080p films! I have HD gaming, HD TV, why would I want SD, or even poorly upscaled SD films!?
Come on Microsoft, time to join the HD world.
It shows how little MS wants to join the HD world, they didn't even include a HDMI slot on their early 360's!!
Blu-ray is one of the main reasons i got a PS3 over a 360, blu-ray, the controller, WiFi, free Online, the exclusives, the 360 failure rate etc etc, but mostly Blu-ray.
It's a waste of your HD TV to watch DVD's, sure you can stream, but owning > streaming.
Games in general across both HD consoles, have SUFFERED so far this generation by being unable to take advantage of the capacity of blu-ray because publishers and developers are unable to turn down the huge Xbox market and as such limit their creativity to the limitations of the Xbox.
I mean the ratings of PS3 exclusives really does go to show how blu-ray = better games.
Hopefully now that more devs are creating games on the PS3 and porting over to the 360 we'll see a change in the trend, but still the DVD limitations will need to be taken into account.
Not to mention the films! I loves me some 1080p films! I have HD gaming, HD TV, why would I want SD, or even poorly upscaled SD films!?
Come on Microsoft, time to join the HD world.
It shows how little MS wants to join the HD world, they didn't even include a HDMI slot on their early 360's!!
Blu-ray is one of the main reasons i got a PS3 over a 360, blu-ray, the controller, WiFi, free Online, the exclusives, the 360 failure rate etc etc, but mostly Blu-ray.
It's a waste of your HD TV to watch DVD's, sure you can stream, but owning > streaming.
The only way Blue Ray will surpass DVD is when video rentals get rid of their DVD(much like they did with VHS).
As for gaming... Well I use a PC lol. But look at something like Rage that was shown at E3, that was on a 360. Im all for new tech but if you put limitations on it then it forces developers to get creative(ICO or SotC anyone?) and I think thats how some of the best looking games come about.
As for gaming... Well I use a PC lol. But look at something like Rage that was shown at E3, that was on a 360. Im all for new tech but if you put limitations on it then it forces developers to get creative(ICO or SotC anyone?) and I think thats how some of the best looking games come about.
As a gaming medium its only really exclusively viable if two things happen. The game couldn't have fit on a DvD (with most of the cross platform games this isn't an issue) Or the graphics are notably better on the blueray version of the game (again this typically is not the case) So for most intents and perposes the argument for or against blur ray in games isn't going to be a big decisive issue until games just start taking up more space. Which will happen at some point in the future.
Now as for the movie industry .... Blueray does offer superior quality over normal DVDs. So there is an obvious benefit right out of the gate. Personally DVD quality is fine for me, tho with the looming purchase of a PS3 in the future I'm starting to seriously look into the blueray market.
tl:dr
Microsoft sorta has a point (at the moment) in regards to a game medium but fails at a point when it comes to movies and will fail at a point to the game medium in the future (when games start taking up more space on a normal basis).
Now as for the movie industry .... Blueray does offer superior quality over normal DVDs. So there is an obvious benefit right out of the gate. Personally DVD quality is fine for me, tho with the looming purchase of a PS3 in the future I'm starting to seriously look into the blueray market.
tl:dr
Microsoft sorta has a point (at the moment) in regards to a game medium but fails at a point when it comes to movies and will fail at a point to the game medium in the future (when games start taking up more space on a normal basis).
@llort het - "My friend has a High def tv, and I honestly don't see much of a difference, unless I'm three inches away from the screen."
Well then you must be fucking blind (in which case you won't be able to read this) or a fanboi. The difference between HD and SD is very, very clear.
There is even a big difference between the upscaled SD from my PlayTV box and the normal SD through Sky+.
Well then you must be fucking blind (in which case you won't be able to read this) or a fanboi. The difference between HD and SD is very, very clear.
There is even a big difference between the upscaled SD from my PlayTV box and the normal SD through Sky+.
"as for internet connection goes - my country is at the bottom in terms of quality and speed and currently i have 24mbps connection for 15$/month and can easilly get 100mbps connection for 40$. imagine how cheap and how fast internet connection will be in 2013-2014 when new consoles will launch? even now in japan some providers offer 1gbps connection under 60$/month. why the fuck we would need a bluray for with this type of connection?"
*Waves from rural area with no hard-line high speed*
*Waves from rural area with no hard-line high speed*
Fit God of War 3 on a DVD? HA! FIT MGS 4 ON A DVD. God of War 3's only catch are the texture and processing power it takes to animate the titans (who only appear twice in the game), while MGS 4 has a shit ton of cutscenes, audio files (66 guns anyone?) and every extra. MGS 4 IS the proof that Blu Ray can handle a lot. God of War 3 is just the proof that the PS3 can process a lot.
Don't get me wrong, I have no desire to use Bluray as a primary format. PS3 is as far as that will go for me at least. PC gaming and digital distro has meant I pretty much no longer need discs any more.
But if he honestly thinks that Bluray isn't going to be the next step up from DVD, he's an idiot. As far as I can see it's already taken off pretty damn well and it's only going to increase in popularity from here.
But if he honestly thinks that Bluray isn't going to be the next step up from DVD, he's an idiot. As far as I can see it's already taken off pretty damn well and it's only going to increase in popularity from here.
Video cut-scenes look like compressed crap on multi-platform games because of the 360's lack of blu-ray. It'd be nice if devs took advantage of the space and gave the PS3 version uncompressed video. Transformers I'm alook'n at you. Oh, and it's nice to have space for a DTS audio track when the 360 always only gets Dolby Digital.
Oh and btw, Blu-Ray uptake is actually ahead of DVD at this stage in its lifecycle - they've sold more normalised by lifecycle. Also remember that DVD had to compete with the previous entrenched standard - VHS - and eventually replaced it, but it took years to happen.
The other reason why digital distribution will remain fragmented for movies into the near future is because nobody wants to get screwed by whoever ends up running the movie equivalent of iTunes. The music companies hate Apple but they have to work with them because there is no other option.
The other reason why digital distribution will remain fragmented for movies into the near future is because nobody wants to get screwed by whoever ends up running the movie equivalent of iTunes. The music companies hate Apple but they have to work with them because there is no other option.
Matthew Blevins talked a lot of sense upthread. Winning the Format War against HDDVD was irrelevant, given that Blu-Ray still has to get past DVD's in terms of market share. Which, given that DVD's are still ubiquitous in the market and in the public eye, seems not to have happened yet. DVD's and the players are cheap, affordable and everywhere, while Blu-Ray isn't. So there's still time for another tech to come in and supplant Blu-Ray as the heir to DVD's throne.
Yeah, blu-ray will never catch on... I prefer having my games on multiple discs so that I can get that retro "switch disc" indicator. HD televisions will never catch on either...
@goggyturk
Sorry but I'm not blind because I'm obviously reading this, and if you are asserting that I'm a "SD fanboy" then I'm not sure how to respond.
I don't see THAT huge a difference that everytime something comes out in HD people freak out. nt in HD picture is with bright colors, and considering most video gamess nowadays are made with nothing but gray and brown pallets, I can't see a difference, even with my glasses.
Sorry but I'm not blind because I'm obviously reading this, and if you are asserting that I'm a "SD fanboy" then I'm not sure how to respond.
I don't see THAT huge a difference that everytime something comes out in HD people freak out. nt in HD picture is with bright colors, and considering most video gamess nowadays are made with nothing but gray and brown pallets, I can't see a difference, even with my glasses.
@goggyturk
Sorry but I'm not blind because I'm obviously reading this, and if you are asserting that I'm a "SD fanboy" then I'm not sure how to respond.
I don't see THAT huge a difference that everytime something comes out in HD people freak out. nt in HD picture is with bright colors, and considering most video gamess nowadays are made with nothing but gray and brown pallets, I can't see a difference, even with my glasses.
Sorry but I'm not blind because I'm obviously reading this, and if you are asserting that I'm a "SD fanboy" then I'm not sure how to respond.
I don't see THAT huge a difference that everytime something comes out in HD people freak out. nt in HD picture is with bright colors, and considering most video gamess nowadays are made with nothing but gray and brown pallets, I can't see a difference, even with my glasses.
Yea digital downloads are taking off, but as long as there are package retail games coming out you're going to need bigger and better media to keep up with the pace of technology. The DVD is still plenty capable of holding most of today's games, but it's not going to last forever. Is he saying that the Xbox720 is going to be digital distribution only or is it going to stick with DVD too?
@Sexualchocolate
"Blu-ray is one of the main reasons i got a PS3 over a 360."
Dude, stop pretending like you even considered buying a 360. Microsoft could have shipped every 360 with a free bag of pussy and you still wouldn't have bought one.
You're not fooling anyone.
"Blu-ray is one of the main reasons i got a PS3 over a 360."
Dude, stop pretending like you even considered buying a 360. Microsoft could have shipped every 360 with a free bag of pussy and you still wouldn't have bought one.
You're not fooling anyone.
Once the blu-ray burners and blank discs come down in price I can see them getting more popular. Also I prefer a hard copy of a movie or game I purchase. If my Internet is down I can still watch a movie, or if I have a portable player I can watch them in the car or plane while on a trip.
I hope they're hubris doesn't cause them go with a dvd9. It limits what developers can fit on a disc.
I like my xbox game and controllers but if MS keeps with current strategy of overpriced proprietary drives, wifi adapters and growing subscription prices I may reconsider where I play my games. I think next gen will see even less exclusives so it's going to come down to the advantages of the console more than games. All PSN needs to do is to turn their online service into a unified experience. Sony can do things like MMOs (I don't like MMOs tho) and user created content sharing better than MS. So I'm curious what they ate going to leverage when most things are becoming equal?
I like my xbox game and controllers but if MS keeps with current strategy of overpriced proprietary drives, wifi adapters and growing subscription prices I may reconsider where I play my games. I think next gen will see even less exclusives so it's going to come down to the advantages of the console more than games. All PSN needs to do is to turn their online service into a unified experience. Sony can do things like MMOs (I don't like MMOs tho) and user created content sharing better than MS. So I'm curious what they ate going to leverage when most things are becoming equal?
*sigh* If his statement about pricing were true, games on Blu-ray would be more expensive than their DVD9 360 counterparts. The fact that they're priced the same does nothing to inspire confidence in his statement. It'd be nice if they'd think what they say through a little bit more thoroughly before attacking a format that isn't going away, especially with erroneous blanket statements.
I for one PREFER a physical medium for my games when possible. I know some people out there like the concept of an all-digital distribution method, but nearly everyone I know personally that I've spoken to about it shares my opinion.
I for one PREFER a physical medium for my games when possible. I know some people out there like the concept of an all-digital distribution method, but nearly everyone I know personally that I've spoken to about it shares my opinion.
C'mon Romo, don't disappoint us!
In all honesty, Blu-Ray is what appeals to me most about the PS3. Say what you will, but all that extra space DOES matter.
In all honesty, Blu-Ray is what appeals to me most about the PS3. Say what you will, but all that extra space DOES matter.
Who Needs Motion Controllers?, DVD?, Blu-Ray?, HD-DVD?, DL-DVD?, Hard Drives?, USB?, Homebrew?, Wii?, X Box?, PS3?...
Who needs those things when you can use imagination to create those games in your mind and play it in 800000p HD?
Who needs those things when you can use imagination to create those games in your mind and play it in 800000p HD?
Nobody needs it. HDMI is cheaper and not noticeably different. Also, stfu about graphics and make good games.
Obviously this man was mentored by Kotick in trolling. the 360 has no quality standards and digital downloads means no used game sales and a permanent price of new games to $60. I'll keep my blu-ray discs, thanks.
Actually, the resolution in your imagination is pretty bad. Detail is fuzzy, and backgrounds are horrible. Hell, you even dream in black and white. Blame that on low RAM, though.
It's not only DVD that makes crappy cut scenes on xbox try comparing the cinematic in skate 3 demo with Jason lee the xbox version is really jittery while the ps3 version plays pretty smooth
streamings fine if you have very hi speed internet thats notthrottled if you use ittoo much, like hughes net does. Not everyone has acces to unlimited hi speeed downloading. Having the physical media really is the way to go, far a gaming goes DVD will not be suficent into the future unle you actually like disk swapping.
Bring back the days of having to tune in your console to your 15" portable tv "Dey dey dee dee"
Kids today ( shakes fist )
Im 21 lol
Kids today ( shakes fist )
Im 21 lol
I don't know about "BluRay" quality streaming, but I definitely use Netflix streaming far more than the PS3s BluRay capability. In fact I only have one set of BluRays, the Blue Planet series. It looks amazing, and probably wouldn't look as good over streaming. For most movies though, I'm not enough of a video-phile to care if it's not even if HD.
spoken like the true loser of the format war. i'll bet he even says hd-dvd was the better format, being slightly better then a dvd but still not good enough for all 360 games to use as the standard format.
I think he's right that digital distribution is probably the endgame. I don't know if everyone will have the infrastructure to support it before BluRay dies, but I think he's going to be on the right side of history (even if he's a bit early).
Blu Ray's potential has yet to be tapped, also he states that the 360 has the potential for "1080p Blu-Ray quality streaming" but not all of their videos support it. Besides, why pay $10 on 360 to buy and stream a high quality movie when you can pay $10 and own the disc?
I want streaming to succeed in the long run, I just don't think we'll be there any time soon.
I want streaming to succeed in the long run, I just don't think we'll be there any time soon.
I don't doubt that Digital Distribution will be the inevitable conclusion for consoles, but really? Blu-Ray is a lot more intelligent for gaming right now, even if Sony's first parties are the only people who can milk the PS3's power. All I can tell you is, I am not touching Lords of Shadow on 360.
Blurays are surprisingly cheap nowadays with some as cheap as DVDs.
Can't hate on HD. Only people who can see the difference need better glasses.
Can't hate on HD. Only people who can see the difference need better glasses.
The only people who will "pass" Blu-ray are Sony.
Unless MS has something splendid up their sleeve, they should shut the fuck up and die.
Disc > stream.
Unless MS has something splendid up their sleeve, they should shut the fuck up and die.
Disc > stream.
I agree that Blu-Ray is not necessary for me. I'm going digital as much as possible and will continue to do so as often as possible.
In terms of quality gaming, Blu-ray isn't needed. You don't need to look at Microsoft to prove it. Just look at the Wii. That's not to say that PS3 titles aren't awesome (this coming from someone who DOESN'T OWN A PS3). Being able to take advantage of Blu's capacity is cake. I still say that Blu > digital download because of the lossless audio and not have to worry about a lack of bandwidth from your ISP.
On a side note: Can anyone tell me if PS3 games actually use Dolby TrueHD and/or DTS-HD Master Audio, or just plain ol' Dolby Digital? If it's the latter, what a waste and PS3 owners should demand cheaper priced games!
On a side note: Can anyone tell me if PS3 games actually use Dolby TrueHD and/or DTS-HD Master Audio, or just plain ol' Dolby Digital? If it's the latter, what a waste and PS3 owners should demand cheaper priced games!
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