I'll be more wary buying any of the next gen consoles. I paid $600 for a PS3 I only use for Blu-ray playing. I played the wii for the first month and am still only playing the 360 on a regular basis.

I got my 360 on day one with no problems... yet. (knocks on wood)

For the last 2 gens I've been most impressed by Microsoft They seem to be the only company listening to their customers for what they really want instead of giving their customers something that they think their customers want

I wonder if releasing a new console soon has anything to do with lowering the amount of coffins being sent in, by ways of disintegrating their customer service for the 360 in favor of the Xbox i720 (the i makes things cooler and about YOU!).

First to market; first to fail

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PS2?

@Sueng I agree the d-pad does suck. I also am very disappointed in the amount of games that they have available for backwards compatibility (MGS2, Dues-Ex etc...) But their online although it costs money is a lot better than anything else.

It's also not as much listening and more of being in a position to adapt to what the market might become. No hard drive on some consoles is major fail.

And they completely messed up by not using a next gen format HD-DVD even though it lost would have been a pretty good inclusion because it has more space available than what they are using.

This actually isn't as much listening but not jumping into the format war head first like Sony and making the customer pick up the cost for their 'gamble' that is actually paying off (which is rare for Sony (beta-max, UMD, mini-discs)

god damn, you PS3 people really piss me off.

I'm not impressed by Microsoft but by the game developers. They make great games but Microsoft made a piece of shit. Nothing more nothing less. I hope they make their next console a bit more trustworthy so I will buy it again. That's better for everyone. Even for the PS3 crowd.

@Danmartigan - What the?! No fanboy rant to back up your hatred for people who own Sony plastic? Come on now, wheres the fun in that? I expect large pictures and massive walls of text dripping with internet retardation!

So the PS3 is Brazil?

@wonky360 The hardware business is new for Microsoft? You just lost all credibility. They've been doing hardware for 25 years. Also let me point out this contradiction = the launch of the 360 the company stated that it was a solid entry into the gaming market, they expect to come out top next time round.

So even Microsoft admits that they wouldn't achieve success with the 360, even though they just gloated about hitting 10mil first and claiming that as success. They claim the Xbox 360 is solid? The xbox 360 has cost them 300+ MILLION DOLLARS in replacements. That was a year or so ago.

I don't think the 360 has been a success, I think the stupidity of people willing to put up with 10+ replacements has given them success. Then those people going out and BUYING a second console. That is the only reason they are getting high console rates. Also most likely these people are having to register a NEW account = high accounts/users on their network.

I'm sorry but if they replace the Xbox 360 this early, and every Xbox user runs out to get another console. I bet massive big bucks that software companies will stop supporting them as much because it lowers their softwares life span as well.

"I know people with a PS3 who own NO games..."

You know weird people Wonky.

Who cares about Microsoft? I wanna know how Argentina bests Brazil???

Volomon: Worse things have happened. Rumor has it, that people who had _working_ DSs, PS2s, Gameboys, etc bought another lite/slim/different/same color version.

Well, releasing a whole year earlier seemed to really help out Microsoft this time around - even with the RROD epidemic. They managed to have built up a sizable consumer base, had a larger library of quality games, and gave developers more time to adjust to the new system. So I can see why they want to try it again.

They're still jumping the gun a bit though. One step at a time, guys. This console cycle isn't over quite yet. >.>

If MS is first to the next generation of consoles, I'll be on board day one. I have enjoyed my 360 a whole lot more than I thought I would when I waited 14 hours in line on launch day.

I was in line because it was the first gaming console that supported HD. That was a huge step. I've had to send in my 360 for repair one time since Nov. 2005. Yeah that sucks, but I've also had to send in a Wii. The PS3 has been good, but the f'n HDMI output doesn't work right and I've just gone ahead and purchased/used component cables.

Basically - whoever has the best console at any given time, I'll most likely be purchasing that console. Since MS has a great software track record, and too many games to play than my time allows - I trust them to continue the trend.

Yes, it sucks that so many people have had troubles with the box - but the joy has outweighed the pain.

While I don't think the 360 will be the first to fail this time they will however probably (if they release their console first) turn into another SEGA. But really MS could afford to have 80 failing consoles of course investors would not like it.

I believe as soon as Sony leaves the console race Microsoft will. Because Sony's probably the only reason they win in to begin with.

Hey Volomon: When I said the hardware business, I meant this in a gaming context, Microsoft have made some stupid mistakes with the 360 in my opinion, the optional HD was a big step backwards.
I dont get the contradiction: The present 360 was only ever going to be stepping stone to get control of the tv, the movie services added have nothing to do with games. I am surprised that you think the xbox brand is a failure. Some people have had 5+ consoles fail and still come back for more, if this is not brand loyalty what is? I admit if it failed this often for me I would have probably given up by now.
Xbox division has had an operating income of $524 million in 2007, the total compares with a loss of $423 million over the same period the previous year.
This is quite a turnaround. Sure looks like success to me.
There will be no replacement for the xbox for at least 3-4 years, there is just no need at present. All I ask for is an optional upgrade version, one which possibly has the hardware refined with a few extras. All consoles go through this at some point. A hdmi port aint gonna do it for me. Give me quiet, cool, a better dpad and an optional internal blueray drive.
The 2 people I know who own gameless PS3's also own 360's and Wii's - I am sure that they will get MGS4 though - surely. It is still the cheapest Bluray player in the uk.

2 is my limit (my launch machine is fine though). Tough call on the stupidity/insanity.
Has anyone heard the max number on this? I would be fun to find out the unluckiest 360 owner who just kept banging their head against the wall.
Somebody has bound to have hit 5 genuine faulty units, I doubt 10 though.
Sony should find out the unluckiest person and give them a PS3 - it would be great publicity.

"I just hope they aren’t in such a rush to release first that they make the same mistake that they did with the 360: faulty hardware. They’ve probably long since gotten the hint that gamers don’t like sending their consoles in for maintenance every few months"

But don't you remember? Microsoft said gamers "forgave" them for their pile of shit hardware... seeing as gamers seem to be perfectly fine going through like 4 consoles when the should only need one

They'll throw another shit console out into the market and let the gamers take it all in... Who needs quality hardware when you have games... it's not like you need hardware to play those games, right? its not like crap hardware can negatively impact on a gamers play time, right? The consoles will break, the gamers will complain and then they will "forgive" microsoft because the other quality next gen systems will be much newer and have fewer games...

yeah... never underestimate microsoft's stupidity, or their greed.
Especially in a market when so many gamers must have the newest things asap and can't be satisfied with their older consoles(honestly, my aging ps2 is STILL able to make me happy) while waiting for real quality consoles and games to come out (really, people bought PS3 and 360 at launch but it took like a year for both consoles to start getting some real good games out... for some reason, people abandoned their old consoles so quickly for brand new consoles that had barely anything decent to play)

@wonky360
I think the highest i heard about was 11... i remember reading something about it, pointing out how loyal he was to Microsoft... frankly, i thought it was insulting at how MS could treat such loyalty. You'd think such loyalty would have been rewarded with a console that WORKS...

I hope they never release another xbox. But they'll probably manage to force out another one (or two) before they pack it in. They'd better not force the next generation too fast though, this generation is just starting to get interesting and 2010 or 2011 is way too early to start over again. These things cost way too much and it takes way too long to make games for them to wrap them up in only 5 years, if microsoft can even hold on that long.

Hopefully this one will be better with the hardware. The system software completely destroys the competition. If they didn't half-ass the console it would have been one of the greatest consoles of all time. This stupid ass mistake cost 'em that.

Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

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