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He knows it's not true. He just hopes everyone else doesn't.
Steam is great but there's room from improvement. Competition is always nice.
Steam is great but there's room from improvement. Competition is always nice.
Competition is good, hopefully this will force Valve to lower Steam prices (it's getting expensive compared to retail here in the UK).
The only way they can get real leverage for GFW Marketplace over Steam is if they can pull the same thing as they do with 360s, i.e. force everything through their channel and crowbar in 360-style LIVE functionality, which they can't do.
PCs are an open platform, and don't require input or clearance from MS to go on sale. Therefore, there's little actual incentive for publishers to include LIVE functionality unless their games are 360 ports or multiplatform. Incidentally, the only games WITH Live functionality are Gears (the first), Shadowrun, and Fallout 3, and Fallout 3's just track pointless achievements.
By comparison, Steam is just a frontend. It understands the way the PC market works.
About the only thing I have hope for with Marketplace is that it can make more DLC available in a better, more unified way, so that PC players don't continually get the shaft on DLC additions like map packs and whatnot.
PCs are an open platform, and don't require input or clearance from MS to go on sale. Therefore, there's little actual incentive for publishers to include LIVE functionality unless their games are 360 ports or multiplatform. Incidentally, the only games WITH Live functionality are Gears (the first), Shadowrun, and Fallout 3, and Fallout 3's just track pointless achievements.
By comparison, Steam is just a frontend. It understands the way the PC market works.
About the only thing I have hope for with Marketplace is that it can make more DLC available in a better, more unified way, so that PC players don't continually get the shaft on DLC additions like map packs and whatnot.
I'll put my faith in Valve long before I ever trust Microsoft with anything when games are concerned.
If this guy really thinks you can't get demos, videos, and additional game content today on a PC, I kind of doubt he has any clue what the hell he is doing or what his competition is.
Those are very broad and moronic statements - the benefit here is to xbl publishers and PC gamers missing out on those titles.
The guy's a retard, but I'm thankful for the competition - UK Steam prices are total BS at the moment.
I agree that this competition is great. It's good to see that MS is putting a bit more focus on the PC, even it it is MS after all...
Oh, yeah, shaking in its booties. Steam was one of the best things to happen to online gaming in the last five years. Valve has treated it with respect and love ever since. I don't they have anything to fear. Microsoft fucks everything up, anyways. It's not like Live ever took off.
Even though I love Valve as a developer, I absolutely hate Steam.
1) I hate everything DRM, and Steam is DRM up the ass...no resell here.
2) Steam makes every game take waaay longer to load than it should since it needs to connect and verify with Steam everytime you play.
Personally, I wish Steam would just die (but I know it won't). Unfortunately, I'm all too certain that Microsoft won't do any better and will probably be worse.
1) I hate everything DRM, and Steam is DRM up the ass...no resell here.
2) Steam makes every game take waaay longer to load than it should since it needs to connect and verify with Steam everytime you play.
Personally, I wish Steam would just die (but I know it won't). Unfortunately, I'm all too certain that Microsoft won't do any better and will probably be worse.
If they can do what steam does- more power to them. It'll cut down on pirating and hopefully streamline updates and multiplayer... Well.. IF THEY CAN DO WHAT STEAM DOES.
@daddy gamer:
Why the steam hate? You get so much in return for having to deal with load times and DRM. Friend tracking system, instant updates, achievement tracking, and best of all, you can jump on any computer with an internet connection and d/l + play your games. It's easily at par with Xbox Live except it's free.
@daddy gamer:
Why the steam hate? You get so much in return for having to deal with load times and DRM. Friend tracking system, instant updates, achievement tracking, and best of all, you can jump on any computer with an internet connection and d/l + play your games. It's easily at par with Xbox Live except it's free.
I don't know how valve could be quaking in their boots. They had to be expecting competition at some point. Plus, there is not really any paid DLC on steam. It's all full games and free, game expanding content. A number of people will stay with steam just because it will most likely cost less moneys.
This kinda reminds me of when they came out with the Zune. It was too little too late.
This kinda reminds me of when they came out with the Zune. It was too little too late.
Competition is uaually always good for the consuer, unless price fixing is involved.....
I do loves me Steam though.
I do loves me Steam though.
Valve is safe. The kind of consumers that they've attracted will not be easily lured away by anything Microsoft does, even if MS manages to make a ton of money off of this.
If it wouldn't lead to a horrible Communist-esque monopoly, I'd gladly support Steam becoming the one and only service for online play and achievements for PC. While no doubt they've had an advantage by forcing it in with Half-Life and other games and the time to tweak it, I've never seen as excellent a community gaming platform as Steam - not even Xbox Live.
@Johnny Justice
It's also due to the respect that Valve shows PC gamers these days. Yes, Steam is an elaborate form of DRM, but it's DRM that actually adds functionality. The ability to log in on any computer and download your games again, no discs or cd keys necessary, friend list, automatic updates, forums, special sales, demos, trailers, all offered through the one client.
The fact that the games available on the system are by Valve is just the icing on the cake.
MS can throw all the money at PC gaming it wants but it's still apparent they don't understand the PC gamer. They only got interested in PC gaming again when Valve began to dominate the market and made Microsoft all but irrelevent. When Valve begins making games for Linux using OpenGL then we can kiss MS goodbye for good.
It's also due to the respect that Valve shows PC gamers these days. Yes, Steam is an elaborate form of DRM, but it's DRM that actually adds functionality. The ability to log in on any computer and download your games again, no discs or cd keys necessary, friend list, automatic updates, forums, special sales, demos, trailers, all offered through the one client.
The fact that the games available on the system are by Valve is just the icing on the cake.
MS can throw all the money at PC gaming it wants but it's still apparent they don't understand the PC gamer. They only got interested in PC gaming again when Valve began to dominate the market and made Microsoft all but irrelevent. When Valve begins making games for Linux using OpenGL then we can kiss MS goodbye for good.
got to love steam, everything valve makes is of the highest quality
people still use ign for ANYTHING?
people still use ign for ANYTHING?
This smells like a Zune-tastic idea! "Let's jump into a market we don't understand, and will take years to become even remotely relevant in!" Yay Microsloth!
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