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$60 for online service against PSN which PVP is always free.
And then they charge high ass prices for digital games? How this bullshit go left unnoticed?
$60 for online service against PSN which PVP is always free.
And then they charge high ass prices for digital games? How this bullshit go left unnoticed?
It'll never work simply because they will never be willing to drop to preowned game prices, which is what they would need to do for people to really give it a shot. Right now they are charging £15-£20 for GoD, which is what platinum/classics titles are meant to sell for... but of course they don't, because in reality any game that is more than two months old is only going to be cropping up in the preowned bargain bin for a tenner or less. It's not like it's even really that much more convenient, in fact I would argue it's less: downloads on XBL are generally slower than your line is capable of and of course you're only getting a digital copy of the game, you're not getting a manual, it's eating up a large chunk of harddrive space and you can't get any of your money back trading in again.
The long and short of it is that I can go into town, go to GAME, pick up a second hand copy of Mirror's Edge for £6 with a manual, get back home and be playing it before my £15 download of the same game is done (despite having a 20meg connection). For GoD to be worth it they'd have to slash the prices down to less than a third of what they are now. And you will never see Microsoft do that.
The long and short of it is that I can go into town, go to GAME, pick up a second hand copy of Mirror's Edge for £6 with a manual, get back home and be playing it before my £15 download of the same game is done (despite having a 20meg connection). For GoD to be worth it they'd have to slash the prices down to less than a third of what they are now. And you will never see Microsoft do that.
The same thing goes for Nintendo... Their first party titles remain expensive for years. Zelda: Twilight Princess for Wii still costs $85 here, same as it did when it launched many years ago.
They released Halo:Reach onto this service for £49.99 in the UK. Digital distribution should be cheaper than retail, not priced twice what you can pay for it elsewhere. Absolutely fucking ridiculous.
How come the guys at Valve seem to be the only one's who understand what Digital Distribution should look like to make it appealing to the consumer?
Its outrageous that they can even think that just because it's there, people will pay.
Learn on what steam does, if its lower priced people will buy them in droves.
I would rather go to the shops than buy anything on the GoD service
Learn on what steam does, if its lower priced people will buy them in droves.
I would rather go to the shops than buy anything on the GoD service
Pointing to the '24 - 7' retail model as a reason that prices aren't as competitive as other sources seems a bit....dated. The original '24-7 convenience' model came of age in the retail market decades ago when keeping a store open round' the clock meant higher overhead (staffing costs, more neighborhood locations, stocking while customers browsed, etc.). It was literally a matter of low price (giant supermarkets open usual business hours) vs. high convenience (small neighborhood stores open much of the time; 'convenience stores').
With modern on-line transactions/store-fronts, that old brick and mortar formula of 'price vs. convenience' shouldn't really apply. The transactions are automated, and the inventory is all right there on a server. It's not like you need an army of clerks and cavernous storerooms at multiple physical locations to run a retail website.
With modern on-line transactions/store-fronts, that old brick and mortar formula of 'price vs. convenience' shouldn't really apply. The transactions are automated, and the inventory is all right there on a server. It's not like you need an army of clerks and cavernous storerooms at multiple physical locations to run a retail website.
Don't forget that Microsoft's greedy ass has a monopoly on harddrvies. I've found some good deals for games on demand, but I passed them up because it would mean that I would have to spend 80 dollars for a 60 gig harddrive. I don't see how Games on Demand will ever take off when there aren't any affordable options for memory and the ONLY advantage of not owning a disk is not having to get up to change disks.
Evergreen has it right. I haven't bought retail games for my PC for years, because Steam is competitively priced and it's got the best range of AAA and indie titles. Valve have it sussed that the way digital distribution works best is to offer great value for money for the consumer.
I bought Mass Effect digitally for twenty dollars... can't say that I'm disappointed. Though it does astound me that certain third party games remain full retail years after their initial release. So I guess I don't think its all that bad, but it sure as hell could be better.
Only thing I've ever bought from GoD was EDF for $20. That's only because no one around me for 100mi had it and online was $20 also but I wouldn't had to wait. Everything else is so damn overpriced it's crazy. It would be a little better if they at least price matched. I bet you're dumb asses would see a lot more sales or here's a crazy thought: ACTUAL competitive pricing, see Valve.
I've bought a few Games on Demand. They were all $20, and I probably could have saved a few bucks by ordering online or buying a used copy, but convenience and laziness prevailed. I will agree that the majority of the games on the service are overpriced, and regular sales would be awesome. But the service isn't uniformly terrible.
The problem with Games on Demand is simple: The prices are predicated on the convenience of the digital distribution without tackling the inconvenience of having a digital copy.
I can loan my buddy my copy of Halo: Reach if I like. I can't loan him my copy of Operation Darkness, the one game I bothered to buy from GoD. And I still paid $20 for the damned thing.
It decided me, put bluntly. Until Microsoft takes its head out of its ass and prices things competitively, it's not going to see much sales.
I can loan my buddy my copy of Halo: Reach if I like. I can't loan him my copy of Operation Darkness, the one game I bothered to buy from GoD. And I still paid $20 for the damned thing.
It decided me, put bluntly. Until Microsoft takes its head out of its ass and prices things competitively, it's not going to see much sales.
Charging a premium for "convenience" isn't going to fly much longer as more media is distributed via the internet. My local walmart is open 24/7 so...
Yeah, that makes sense. Paying the same or more for LESS (no physical medium, no trade-in-value, not even the convinience of lending the game to a friend or gifting it to him/her). But oh well, at least it's CONVENIENT. Sorry, but that's not going to work.
There's no way to defend the price. If you don't need packaging, shipping or branding, the game should cost less.
Ya know, publishers, selling a digital version of a game for $30 that can be had for $5-$10 at a store with a disc, case, and manual isn't going to turn anyone on to digital distribution? Fuck you greedy scums in the tail.
I remember NC soft using the same convenience bullsh*t when I asked why Linage 2 dl was 49.99 while retail was $5.00.
Yeah I've always had an issue paying msrp for games that are still in circulation. Stupid Microsoft for trying to keep pricing static.
Look, when you start cutting the price of products in your own store it devalues the overall content. When people know that the price was at a lower point, they are wary of it at regular levels. I agree that the service is worthless due to the high availability of the games that are on the market, but if a game with a low print run were put up, it might be the best option for those wanting it. Focusing on games like agarest war and culdcept saga could bolster the system.
I think setting it up like steam would piss retailers off.
With that being said, games like gears 2 shouldn't be 30 bucks on marketplace when every retailer had it at 20 for months
Look, when you start cutting the price of products in your own store it devalues the overall content. When people know that the price was at a lower point, they are wary of it at regular levels. I agree that the service is worthless due to the high availability of the games that are on the market, but if a game with a low print run were put up, it might be the best option for those wanting it. Focusing on games like agarest war and culdcept saga could bolster the system.
I think setting it up like steam would piss retailers off.
With that being said, games like gears 2 shouldn't be 30 bucks on marketplace when every retailer had it at 20 for months
You do have to take your hat off to these companies tho, they go out of their way to put the dinosaur in digital distro while simultaneously plugging it as the new big thing.
As people have previous mentioned, Halo Reach is £50 on Games on Demand in the UK. There is absolutely no justifying that bullshit, it's more than the cheapest SKU has ever been sold for.
convenience in this case mostly means that even if you can no longer find the game locally, you could still play it. The only problem is that with the internet, you can order a game from anywhere in the world (and shop around with all the world's stores)
Their idea of convenience is what we usually think of as changing our minds. How many times have you gone and found a game, walked around for a bit with it and then decided to wait on it? Yeah, we've probably all done that. With this "convenience" we aren't able to, we see a game, give them the money and if 5 minutes later you decide you really didn't want it, tough luck.
It's like impulse items at the checkout stands. You might not need that 12 pack of Bic lighters, but you see them and pick them up because eventually you'll need one. Only this time it's not a $3 pack of lighters, it's a $60 game you can get anywhere for a better price, but it's there just waiting for you.
It's like impulse items at the checkout stands. You might not need that 12 pack of Bic lighters, but you see them and pick them up because eventually you'll need one. Only this time it's not a $3 pack of lighters, it's a $60 game you can get anywhere for a better price, but it's there just waiting for you.
Some harder to find games like NFS: Most Wanted are actually more expensive used at B&M stores. GoD (lol God) has it for a reasonable $20 price. I'm sure there are a few more instances like this but I'm away from my tv right now.
I don't see MS lowering prices unless maybe PSN lowers prices. really who are they competing with? They have no incentive to lower prices if idiots continually to pay for it. Also, why aren't games available day 1?
Steam has to compete against D2D/GOG/Impulse/etc. So obviously they will price more aggressively.
I bought Super Meat Boy during a steam sale for $3.75 FUCK YEAH
Steam has to compete against D2D/GOG/Impulse/etc. So obviously they will price more aggressively.
I bought Super Meat Boy during a steam sale for $3.75 FUCK YEAH
Steam. Also, they can't give us "servers cost money" bullshit. Because they get payed up the ass for Gold subscriptions. But instead of giving their customers more with that money, they just take things away from everyone else.
"Hey, Joe. How can we rip our loyal customers even more than we already have?"
"Huh. We could have them PAY us for ripping them off"
"What? What do you mean?"
"Money"
"But what does-"
"Money"
"...I forgot what we were talking about. Whatever it is, I like it"
"Hey, Joe. How can we rip our loyal customers even more than we already have?"
"Huh. We could have them PAY us for ripping them off"
"What? What do you mean?"
"Money"
"But what does-"
"Money"
"...I forgot what we were talking about. Whatever it is, I like it"
People don't think about digital distribution correctly. One thing is, if Microsoft decides to just end xbox live or their GoD sections, you won't have the games to download anymore. This means your copy on your xbox is the only game you have. So, your xbox screws up, bam, game gone, no place to download it, so nothing to show for your purchase anymore.
I don't mind buying downloadable titles for 15 bucks or less, but I will never buy a full fledged game for more. I know I don't really own the game when I do, so I see no point in buying that, I would sooner wait an extra day or week to find a copy in a store or on ebay or amazon, then play it on my console of choice. At least I will own that game, and if anything ever happens to the console it works on, I can just replace the console.
Games on demand are, imo, a waste of money. Any game that is over 20 bucks is not worth the investment, as you really don't own the game. My advice, stick to hard copy versions.
I don't mind buying downloadable titles for 15 bucks or less, but I will never buy a full fledged game for more. I know I don't really own the game when I do, so I see no point in buying that, I would sooner wait an extra day or week to find a copy in a store or on ebay or amazon, then play it on my console of choice. At least I will own that game, and if anything ever happens to the console it works on, I can just replace the console.
Games on demand are, imo, a waste of money. Any game that is over 20 bucks is not worth the investment, as you really don't own the game. My advice, stick to hard copy versions.
So...following the suggested MSRP for a game as your priceline....is a bad idea.....because gamers.......don't like spending money......ok then.
I bought borderlands on GoD. I plan to buy Burnout Paradise ($20), Skate 2($20), Gears 2($20), and SSF4($40.00) from GoD.
Umad?
I bought borderlands on GoD. I plan to buy Burnout Paradise ($20), Skate 2($20), Gears 2($20), and SSF4($40.00) from GoD.
Umad?
Halo reach is a bloody rip off. I got it new online when it was released for £18 below games on demands asking price.
What's equally worse are the games that are 4-5 years old and still priced at £20.
Without the need to print games manuals, discs, make the case, fuel for transportation of the game, additional cost to cover game shop employees wages there is no excuse for these games to cost a single penny more than can be found at a real life game shop.
@epic
I know you like to provoke a response but I think you are missing the point. People aren't mad because they don't want to spend money, they are mad because such a service is excellent in theory but fails so hard to price games like everywhere else.
What's equally worse are the games that are 4-5 years old and still priced at £20.
Without the need to print games manuals, discs, make the case, fuel for transportation of the game, additional cost to cover game shop employees wages there is no excuse for these games to cost a single penny more than can be found at a real life game shop.
@epic
I know you like to provoke a response but I think you are missing the point. People aren't mad because they don't want to spend money, they are mad because such a service is excellent in theory but fails so hard to price games like everywhere else.
I was really surprised a while back when Operation Darkness because available on Games On Demand. I already own the actual disc, but I thought that it was cool that people could more easily obtain a copy of the game through Games On Demand. Then I looked at the price. $39.99. Bullshit. Thankfully, it soon dropped to $19.99, which is far more reasonable. Still, people who aren't getting the physical product shouldn't be paying the same cost as people who do.
Fuck Games on Demand. There are 3 gamestops, 2 best buys and 2 walmarts within 3 miles of my apartment. Why would I want to pay their exorbitant prices when I can usually get it cheaper elsewhere?
I lol'd when I saw that Halo Reach is "ON SALE FIRST WEEK ONLY!!!" for $50, when you can easily get a new copy (say, from Amazon) for $40 or less.
It was the same thing with the Xbox failure rate, who care? they said, we have a good customer service....
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