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Microsoft: Kinect is as fast as pushing a button photo

The meh men out there were quick to discount Kinect's tracking after they got their hands on (off?) Microsoft's motion sensing technology, saying that on screen it lagged behind your real world motions. Of course, Microsoft wants you to know that their tracking is tight and fast, and not laggy.

Kinect frontman Kudo Tsunoda told Xbox360Achievements that it's actually as fast as hitting a button on a controller:

"We've done tests back at the office where we have a TV, flash a light on the screen and we'll have a controller, and have someone there hitting a button, and someone with Kinect clapping as soon as they see the light on the screen, and both things go just as fast as one another."

That means we should expect 1:1 control when this all goes down in November. Don't take my word for it, though.

Tsunoda adds: "We already have the 1:1 stuff working really well and the response time is just as fast as pushing a button or making a gesture."

I'm sure they've done tests that are a bit more technical than clapping. I hope so, at least.

MS: Kinect capable of 1:1, fast as 'pushing a button' [CVG]








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Tuxy79's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:02
Tuxy79
Riiiiiiight...
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:05
Mr Andy Dixon
I can't believe I'm doing this...

Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:05
Elsa
it's not the responsiveness... it's the constant arm motions to do anything. I'd rather move my arm to aim, but push a button to shoot. I don't want to aim with my finger and have to make some other movement to shoot. Meh...some of the activity type games will work fine with any of the motion control options (controller-less or not)... but frankly for the vast majority of my gaming I want to be seated on my ass.

The Move controller interests me only in so far as will it be as accurate as a FRAG FX type controller. If it's not more accurate and there is no benefit to using one in shooter games, it's still a no sale for regular gaming.
YoTanaka's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:05
YoTanaka
Yeah. I'll believe this when I see it for myself...

Sadly I'll put the money before that, so my fingers are crossed!
Corduroy Turtle's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:06
Corduroy Turtle
Sounds more like a "close-enough" situation.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:07
Bakewell
@mrandydixon

I'm pleased you did.
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:09
amtalx
You better walk the walk MS...
Angantyr's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:10
Angantyr
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/video-physics-kinect/703803 <-- This ?
Corduroy Turtle's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:14
Corduroy Turtle
I'm getting a free Kinect, so I'll let y'all know.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:14
Bakewell
You know, I've said from the start I'm interested in this and although I haven't seen much from it to justify my interest I still want it.

I just feel a combination of this being advanced tech and a lot of negative hype has really stopped people from seeing the potential kinect has.

I know it's fun to laugh at milo (and that douche from lionhead doesn't help) but I saw a promotional video for move recently and it looked no better than the pics of insanely smiley famines playing casual games.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:15
Bakewell
*families, not famines.
Jaffacakelover's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:18
Jaffacakelover
How fast do they clap? Their hands must be reeeeally close together to match a jiggle of my thumb.
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:18
DinnertimeNinja
I've never really considered the input lag to be an issue as just about ALL games have it to some extent (you naturally get used to it on a game to game basis). The real issue in my mind is the system (Kinect) losing your body placement briefly and it registering regular movements as gestures.

That racing demo vid thay released a bit back showed that pushing your hands toward the screen makes you boost and I can see myself doing that by accident quite a lot. Also, imagine the way you mimic turning when an actual wheel ISN'T in your hands. You naturally lean your hands left and right from center. It's going to take a lot of concentration and rigid arm movements to keep arms perfectly out in front of you and turning on a rigid axis for this to work.

I just can't see any way that ANY of these games could be fun for more than 5-10 minutes. Turning gestures into screen movements requires the gestures to be explicitly defined and distinguishable from each other. Unlike the Wii, where you can fudge movements and make them smaller jukes so long as the accelerometer reads the juke, this thing has to recognize that you lowering your arms is an in-game action and not just you dropping your arms because it's complete bullshit to have to hold them out in front of you for more than 30 seconds.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:21
Bakewell
@dinnertimeninja

Valid points bro but imagine how ripped your arms are going to be after a month!
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:23
hpv
At 30fps it just isn't fast enough. And is it as fast as pushing a button or making a gesture? Because those two things aren't even close to equal.
Thane Vickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:24
Thane Vickers
Pushing a button is also as fast as pushing a button,
Romo Metaxxas's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:26
Romo Metaxxas
Well, its hard to say its as fast as pushing buttins when there's no buttons to push, like in the case of Playstation Move. I think we should take what Mr Tsunoda is saying with a pinch of salt
brownjohn's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:27
brownjohn
They must have a newer version than the one shipped to the Microsoft Stores. The version I saw had at least a 1 second delay.
Thane Vickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:28
Thane Vickers
@ Romo Metaxxas
..you again.. They said they had a controller to test it with.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:31
Bakewell
Hi, I'm romo metaxxas and I just wanted to pop by and say how great the ps3 is, move is going to be brilliant and you should all burn anything related to Microsoft and come over to my side.

It's brilliant. We got free online, a hot tub full of playboy/playgirl models and a map showing the precise location of a whole vault full of Jewish gold.

Ps3 is the best, my opinion, but universally accepted as fact!

And if you challenge me I'm gonna be all polite up in your face.
Romo Metaxxas's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:33
Romo Metaxxas
@robotic
Yes, but that is what they say. The proof is in the pudding for us gamers. Unless any gamer has tried it out for themselves, its hard to believe what they say is truth right?
Romo Metaxxas's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:36
Romo Metaxxas
@Bakewell

LOL. Do i sound like that? C'mon, i don't think is warranted. Like i said, i'm not against differing opinions. I never said the PS3 being the best is universal fact, just basingon my experience. If you disagree with me, its cool. :)
VolksONER's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:37
VolksONER
This reminds me... I need to hook up my xbox camera and play some totem ball
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:39
Bakewell
It's not that I disagree with you it's just you ate coming across as very VERY insistent in pretty much every post you make. It is like you're here to recruit people and it's kinda freaky.

What I said was a light hearted tribute and a bit of satire.
Thane Vickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:41
Thane Vickers
"Well, its hard to say its as fast as pushing buttins when there's no buttons to push, like in the case of Playstation Move. I think we should take what Mr Tsunoda is saying with a pinch of salt"

This comes off as saying that they lied because Kinect has no buttons. That's what you stated and my reply was that they used a controller for comparison. You're arguing a point I never made.

Allow me to direct you to your homeland: http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/
Romo Metaxxas's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:42
Romo Metaxxas
@Bakewell
Its all good. :)
If i come across as insistent, then i'll try to tone it down a notch.
idrawrobots's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:42
idrawrobots
I think Romo is more than meets the eye. Sexualchocolate in disguise?
Fresh Salsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:43
Fresh Salsa
Its romo chocolate again..............
Romo Metaxxas's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:45
Romo Metaxxas
LOL, what's a sexual chocolate? Really, i'm not here to flame anyone or to cause trouble. Its all good here.
idrawrobots's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:47
idrawrobots
Sexualchocolate is your new best friend; that is unless you is he. I've never seen both of you at the same time.
Romo Metaxxas's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:49
Romo Metaxxas
@idrawrobots
LOL, then i have to actually see him here and declare him my new best friend.

I like to think we all are each other's best friend. We are gamers are we not?
milo128's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:59
milo128
Lol at mega fanboy Bakewell getting angry at other fanboys. In the begining I thought you were an anti fanboy but your fanboyness quickly showed, your in the same league as sexualchocolate man.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 15:59
mix
@Romo
Gamers 4 life dawg!

Hrmmmm, I agree with everything Elsa said!
AwesomeJon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:00
AwesomeJon
Wouldn't it be picking up the audio from the clap?

I think it would be much simpler (and therefore quicker) to detect a loud noise versus a specific gesture.
Romo Metaxxas's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:03
Romo Metaxxas
@mix

Indeed dude :)
Romo Metaxxas's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:05
Romo Metaxxas
@milo
Let's not call each other names, shall we? No one likes to be called a fanboy.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:09
Bakewell
@milo

What? I shouldn't even ask you what gave you that idea but I'm not an asshole and I'm curious.

I'm not mad at anyone, I've been cool and had a joke, alls well in the works apart from you looking for a fight and being an Internet tough guy.
Nickj360's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:12
Nickj360
This has already been shown countless times at each Kinect demo lol. Who is he trying to fool?
Romo Metaxxas's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:14
Romo Metaxxas
@Robotic
I never said they lied, What i'm saying is that until we actually use it, its hard to believe what they say.
The sony defense force site is hilarious though. Thanks for the link. :)
Romo Metaxxas's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:19
Romo Metaxxas
@Nickj360
Well, he needs to put up a confident face amidst the negative feedback. I just don't think Kinect will be as good as the Playstation Move.
flea friend's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:20
flea friend
Well, my thumb only has to move about a millimeter to push a button. Your hands would have to be pretty close together to match that. Probably too close to call it a "clap".


Stories like this always bug me. "Does ______ work? We asked the most biased person we could find!"
Johnny Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:21
Johnny Justice
Sure and moving your head is faster than moving your eyes.

The test they did doesn't sound fair. One guy pushing a button and different person clapping their hands.

These dudes have an odd grasp on biomechanics and time.
niko's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:25
niko
You can't trust something a marketing droid said? SAY IT AIN'T SO!
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:26
amtalx
Romo is not Sexualchocolate. I can actually understand Romo. Sexualchocolate always sounds a little muffled, with Hirai's twig and berries stuck in his throat and all.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:32
Bakewell
@milo

No response. You know I'm not looking for a fight. And I want to apologise, I never realised I was a role model to you and I'm sorry I let you down.

If you give me another chance i promise to be the shining beacon of all that is good, it will be just like the old days except better because now I know what I stand to lose.
Romo Metaxxas's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:39
Romo Metaxxas
@amtalx
aww..thanks :)
But that is not a pretty sight, you know the thing you just described. I think Kaz has steered the Playstation brand well.
the Company's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:43
the Company
I've played some of the demo games at Macy's, and I've watched people play. It didn't react immediately when I used it. Maybe they fixed some problem it had that held it back, but I don't think that's the case.

This seems like a liar liar situation. Or maybe that the Kinect technology can react that fast, but so far no game has been developed well enough to utilize it.
Romo Metaxxas's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:46
Romo Metaxxas
@the company
That's why its wiser to have motion controls that has something you can physically use to interact, like the the Wiimote or some thing that has improved upon it, the Playstation Move.
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:46
amtalx
@Romo:

Agreed. Kutaragi was the asshole.
Romo Metaxxas's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2010 16:49
Romo Metaxxas
@amtalx
I personally think he meant to advertise the PS3 as a luxury device. Something you have to work hard to own, like a Ferrari. But it didn't take too well to gamers.
He meant well of course. But he will always be the father of the Playstation
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