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So does anyone actually have a "hard drive-less" 360?
I know people bought core systems, but i just assumed that they all eventually bought a hard drive for obvious reasons.
I'd experience your hard drive.
Translation: You can buy the car, but if you want it to drive it you're gonna have buy tires.
So you can play it but not experience it?
Uh...phone a friend?
Will it be like the expansion pack on N64 where if you tried to play Perfect Dark without it all you could do was play a boring multiplayer deathmatch?
people buy 360's but don't save games? How does that work? magick?
The ultrahardcore buy hddless 360s because they always finish the games in one sitting, they have no need for saving devices.
Oh, well, when you put it that way, it isn’t confusing at all...
Dark Magic.
Microsoft should dump the core system. I know nobody who does not have the HD. I think this was one of the big mistakes at launch. The more developers use the Hd the better I say.
@ blehman: Memory cards. Supposedly, some people insist on only paying $50 for a memory card and not doubling that for a full-featured 20GB hard drive. We call these people...the lost. Starring Tom Cruise and directed by Michael Bay.
Two games have already came out that required a hard drive to play.
Shouldn't his head explode when trying to compute such contradictions?
@necros
Lolz dude, nice. Can't wait till it comes out. Explosions and gay midgets.
Microsoft was doing so good with PR, they should grow some balls and tell the cheapskates to suck it. The hard drive makes the console way more powerful at a very small price.
MS will keep the Core so they can say: see, it's so much cheaper than a PS3 and almost as cheap as a Wii.
I don't think ppl that buy a Core as their first 360 are capable of concern though :)
Yeah, when I saw that, I sat here a good ten minutes scratching my head thinking "... the fuck?" I still don't know what the hell he was trying to say.
*YOOT YOOT* all aboard the microsoft BullShit train......next stop Confusionville. there you will meet ppl wondering when MGS4 and Final Fantasy 13 is coming to 360!!!
I'm glad thats cleared up.
*takes another pull of cough syrup*
thnx nick... Now I will be confused the entire day... o well.
*whistles* ~ come here Liger!! lets go hunt some humans.
I think this is a great idea. I expect the core will either go away or get an HDD in the future.
Pssh...that’s not a liger; this is:
OMG A LIGER!
Anyone think GTA IV is going to require the HDD?
Well, assuming it’s on one DVD-9, it would have to, wouldn’t it? I mean, if it’s the same exact game as the PS3 version, which will most likely be on a BD-25, it would have to cache at least a few gigs of data on the HDD — unless the six-month delay was, in fact, because Rockstar was waiting for Microsoft to improve their compression techniques...
I bet it will. If it doesn't on release then it will for any and all episodic content that MS paid 50$ million for.
I don't know if GTA4 will need it. The BD will probably not have 25GB's on it either, unless it's uncompressed HD-videos of making of's and such.
Vice City wasn't even 700MB, San Andreas was like 2,5GB on the xbox? A lot of sandbox game textures could be compressed and decompressed on the fly.
I do want to know how much space this will cost on the HDD though. With xbox1 it always was 3x700MB for the X:/Y:/Z: cache-'partitions', and about 2GB for saves?
Ah well, to be honest I don't think there any many people out there without hard drives. Ebay will be flooded with smaller hard drives on both sides of the pond once the larger hits Europe, I expect MS know this and I expect they feel unthreatened by the prospect of the software sales lost due to the small amount of people playing without hard drives. I imagine they assume many of those people will buy a hard drive, in much the same way that PC owners are eventually forced to buy new graphics cards.
Still, that statement makes nooooooooo fucking sense.
Somehow that all makes sense, but I'm not really sure how.
I expect the Core to start disappearing by the end of next year. Mark my words. I AM FROM THE FUTURE AND KNOW A LOT ABOUT HISTORY.
I don't really know anybody that would buy the HDD-less 360. I still hate that the 360 HDD is a tiny 20GB. That is just stupid. Your average HDD is about 120GB. I fill my 360 up all the time, then I have to delete shit that I want to keep.
@Neonie:
As opposed to what, the "uber" hardcore furry gamer? What? Did Microsoft personally emblazon yours with ears, tail, and a set of glow sticks? :/
@ Sharpless
It makes sense, just consider the hdd as an accesory and not as a part of the system.
I think he said it like that to avoid getting people confuse and thinking that a Core system with a HDD still wouldn't be able to play some games.
Multiple discs rule. When Final Fantasy was first release on the Playstation, it was awesome cause, "OMG there is so much game here I need two discs!" If I have played a game for 10 hours+ to then be required to get up to switch the disc after that long time of play, it is probably a good thing I get some kind of physical activity.
They should never have gone with a hdd-less unit. Poor M$.
Hey if u can afford an xbox u can afford a harddrive.
oh, so thats why when i stare at the game i get less experience than those who put it in the 360.
They foresaw this problem and everyone knows it. What they should have done is put about 5Gbs of flash memory built in so that games could cache off of that memory and never require a harddrive. But then again, devs might decide 5Gbs is not enough. (which is viable considering a single layer BD holds 25Gb)
Maybe for the HDD-less GTA4 is going to be like Vice City on the PS2 was, where the fastest car could drive faster than the game could load buildings, so after a minute you'd just be driving through a transparent desert. If there's one thing I don't like about MS, it's their insistence that you only buy officially sanctioned accessories. On my ps3 I'm using a german wireless keyboard I got for £5 on ebay and the headset that came free with my Motorola and when the time comes I can whack in one of the spare hard disks I have floating around. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the 360's multiplayer and all but the way Microsoft do business puts me off buying one.
Seems quite clear - every game will run without a hard drive, but you won't be able to save or update some of them without one (which would be the "full experience").
So, good luck playing through Mass Effect in one sitting, Core owners.
It'll work with any Xbox system, so long as that system is equip with a hard drive. A Core is still a Core if you add the hard drive, it's a Core with a hard drive.
Just buck up and buy a damn hard drive so we can get rid of this damn market divide.
This is why multiple skus for consoles are a bad idea.
Agreed, Mxy. It's nice to have cheaper versions of consoles, but they're not worth it if they're going to be half-assed. No system should come with less than 20 gigs.
If you were dumb enough to buy a SKU that without the hard drive required an overpriced, separately packaged, small (as in memory space) memory card, that basically made the hard drive far more cost-effective, to save it's games then I guess the joke is on of you.
@Hells_666
Fly off the handle much?
it does make sense if you take it as 'all consoles have the capability to run the game, but some games will also need a hard drive'. Its still a bloody stupid statement, since we already know that, or if its not true, its a big f-up by MS.
Welcome to doublespeak 101... you missed the class.
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