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Microsoft dumps all over Home, calls it outdated photo

Sony's long-awaited Home is released today! Only joking ... it was never awaited. Nevertheless, Sony has invested a lot into something that nobody ever really asked for, and its sort-of-social-thing is now ready to be enjoyed by PS3 owners the world over. Microsoft's Aaron Greenburg, however, is unimpressed. Looks like he won't be rushing to download it.

"What Home to me feels like is Second Life for hardcore gamers," stated Aaron, not mentioning how the New Xbox Experience feels like a Wii for hardcore gamers. "It doesn’t feel like it broadens the experience and invites people in. When they unveiled it, it seemed innovative. I think what's happened is now here we are a couple of years later and we feel beyond that.

"It feels like 2005 tech in 2008. I'm not sure that’s what people want."

I don't think it's the "tech" aspect of Home that people find uninspiring, more like the fact that it looks like a console-based advertising network at worst, and a waste of everyone's time at best. Still, it's probably going to be a bit more useful than Microsoft's own avatars have been so far. At least there's that.


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Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:14
Necros
Everything about Home is unimpressive to me. I was trying to think of a good reason why someone would boot it up, and I was at a complete loss. It seems like a lot of hassle just so you can talk to someone else with your avatar. Watching trailers in that theater is decidedly inferior to booting up trailers from the videos on your hard drive. I just don't see this ever being a major selling point like Sony wants it to be.

Seriously, produce one good, non-joking reason why you'd use Home instead of performing actions quicker through the XMB and other functions, and I'll be impressed.
Uther's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:16
Uther
Someone from Microsoft talking bad about a Sony product.
The scandal.
pd771's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:17
pd771
Jim, usually I find your Sony hate funny, but lately it's been annoying. What else would you expect Microsoft to say.
Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:20
Volomon
All I have to say is wow how hypocritical. Home is outdated? Their using Wii graphics for Avatars, not only that but they are doing the same thing Wii is doing with Miis, putting them into games and such. I mean come on.
Solgrim's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:21
Solgrim
@ Necros

I have to disagree. One really good reason Home is revolutionary is that i can walk around with awesome chunli avatar teh sex and awesome shit sony love rules microsucks my big sony cock yay home sweet home love you


Subtle stupid-humor ftw.
Wghj55's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:25
Wghj55
Home is pretty crappy. I booted it for the first time last week and I literally fell asleep while modifying my avatar. I love my PS3 but I will probably never use Home.
Aurvantoid's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:27
Aurvantoid
Trump comment: "At least it's FREE"

Don't use it if you don't want to. Don't pay for the stuff if you don't want to. For those who want to use it, they can. For those who want to pimp out their Home-Space and their Avatar with micro-transactions, they can.

It's not like it's replacing the XMB, so if you don't want to use it then you don't have to. I see it as non-invasive technology. The kind I can choose to ignore if I want.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:29
Qraze
#1 warhawk room
#2 socom room
#3 media sharing for movie nights with friends
#4 chess
#5 free arcade games
#6 background advertisements that will make sony the money to keep the psn free
#7 its free and optional ( you don't look a gift horse in the mouth but everyone is )
#8 clubhouses to meet up with d-toiders on fnf
#9 game launching from said clubhouses
#10_in_the_hood_G!! that's 9 legitimate reasons.
gamesronlygames's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:31
gamesronlygames
Home is ok-its free. MS NXE is ok too. The advantage NXE has it you have to experience it to navigate to where youwant to go instead of the blades,etc. The look and streamlining of NXE are an improvement over the old blades.
HOME though will go largely unused by me. If it was integrated into the main ps3 page, and used so you had to enter your home when you turned on your ps3 that woud be cool.
It would be better if when you turned on your system it showed you in your custom virtual pad. Then to play a game you would turn on your virtual bravia and ps3 which had an in screen "remote-play" on the virtual bravia where you select your ps3 game to play for real. Or if you wanted to socialize then you could do that,etc,etc. But to have it a separate link on the main page will keep it highly unused. I think it could have been more fun if they entered you into your pad everytime you turned on your ps3. More clever and you would have to do it and then more would see how it has some fun features, word would spread,etc.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:33
Qraze
and what's out-dated is everyone still calling it the "new" x-box experience when its now the "current"x-box experience. it was new a month ago.
Da5StarRMD's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:33
Da5StarRMD
"A waste of everyone's time" huh...just like the NXE...here we go again with the whole PS3/360 bullshit again...plain and simple, if you don't like then don't use same goes for the NXE,just leave it and carry on, but i'm sure people will still cry and complain so prepare for all the "WAAAAAh"...
funran's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:39
funran
Qraze made some good points, there are some features out there for a few people at least(even if it's mostly boring and not that revolutionary), plus its free and not required. like NXE, which is mandatory.
PenKaizen's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:39
PenKaizen
While I dont agree that it is a total waste of time, it sure has a better function than the NXE avatars.
But seriously guys stfu with the Xbox 360 vs PS3 arguments, take it on the chin.
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:39
PappaDukes
I'm actually looking forward to Home.
*GASP*
I love my PS3
*GASP*
Not a fan of the 360
*DOUBLEGASP*
Miguelcar808's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:39
Miguelcar808
I agree with Volomon, hating on home after just getting an "update" for last gen technology.
At least the Red Bull game looks better than Yaris's one.
Hating on the PS3 is getting old.
TorpedoTed's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:42
TorpedoTed
I love my Xbox, but this dude should just shut up, let it fail on its own, dont need to put his 2 cents in!
Stoph's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:50
Stoph
This has to be one of the most hypocritical things I've heard in a looong time. And the NXE is innovative....how? Mii's anyone? Give me a break.
Coltronathon5000's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:50
Coltronathon5000
My biggest complaint about home - judging from my time spent with the beta - is that they don't give you nearly enough at the outset.

-your home is boring, generic and empty
-you have like 3 choices for clothing
-there's nothing to do; no way to meet people (I assume that's supposed to be the main draw) once in there
-you have to fucking WAIT to sit at a game table...wtf sony really? only 6 people on the entire network can play at a time?

obviously Sony wants us to cough up some dough in order to flesh out the experience - but I'd be much more receptive to the idea if I was given something more substantial to start with.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 10:50
Qraze
torpedo, that's the thing with microsoft, they're always comparing themselves to other companies, copying those companies and then saying they did it better. just the fact that he mentions home means he's really thinking about it. he says microsoft's closed monitored service is superior but here we hear of people hacking l4d servers. it just goes to say it has major holes. my fanboy power just turned on, sorry about that. no more comments from me
jpw21683's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 11:05
jpw21683
@Qraze: MS's avatars ARE better than the Wii's.

The L4D SERVERS were not being hacked. People were hacking files on their 360 hard drives, which did affect online play. Valve issued a server update to prevent those folks from playing online. But it was NEVER Xbox Live being hacked.

Reading complete articles FTW.
Trev's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 11:08
Trev
Wow. It really sounds like Greenburg browsed around Joystiq for a while and decided to regurgitate some of the trolling he picked up. If I can use it to hook up for Friday Night Fights, that's awesome; if I just want to play Dead Space or something, I don't need to use it at all. I see no negative aspects to Home, just good and neutral. I'll use it when convenient and ignore it the rest of the time because I can and it's free.

@Da5StarRMD
Funran said what I was going to. Complaints were somewhat justified because upgrading to the CXE was compulsory.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 11:12
Qraze
if it affected other users on live then it hacked the servers. if it only affected the person using the hack then its a cheat. it affected all who were in that server.
Face's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 11:14
Face
I hate these kinds of comments that the companies trade. Not many people seem above this kind of thing these days. I wouldn't say being outdated is its biggest problem, just feels a little too pointless.
ceark's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 11:15
ceark
I think it will be useful for FNF, like trev said. I've been using the beta but there's no real content yet. hopefully that changes with actual release.
AngelsDontBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 11:18
AngelsDontBurn
I can't wait to see how many people run around cybering on HOME. UGH.
necrozen's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 11:19
necrozen
First off, about the Sony Hate. Yeah, I think it used to be something the cool guys would do to be cool - but like most stuff, it gets old so you awesome cool guys might need to find a new angle to show how awesome badass cool you are. What about brands of Ketchup? You could jerk your hate muscle to a giant Heinz vs Hunts battle, couldn't you?

Secondly, the argument doesn't really matter, since it is optional and free. However, if the Dtoid club is any proof, there are quite a few people using home. I can't check now, because the servers are prepping for the big opening, but I want to say I had something like 30 or 40 people request to join. That's just destructoid readers. So I think, between the Club Functionality, being social with my other PS3 friends, in home online game launching and the occasional stroll for no good reason, I will get some use out of it. Plus I'm a total sucker for decorating, so I'll buy the occasional new clothes or new apartment item.

Oh, and one more thing, those of you who say you'd like it if you were forced to use it, like the new xbox experience, you're crazy! I like it being optional.
TKurata's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 11:20
TKurata
The most fun I had in the Home beta was...sitting down.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 11:29
mix
Yeah beacuse making an avatar that looks like an upgraded MII is fucking HARDCORE and sweet.
that1dood's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 11:39
that1dood
There was this one time when I gave two shits about Home and arguments about the PS3 and 360. Then I flushed the toilet. True story.
Crunshii's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 11:42
Crunshii
Outdated?




MS needs to check them self before making these criticisms, seriously.
aaronf's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 11:45
aaronf
I don't know if I'll use Home that much, but I didn't pay for it so whatever.

Let's not act surprised here. M$ bad mouths everything.
necrozen's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 11:46
necrozen
@ Squawk

You talk about the perception that Sony is tripping up. What I think it comes down to, as far as the general hate for sony, or the perception that they are doing bad, is sour grapes. I think people try to sour grapes themselves out of wanting the PS3. They most likely already have a 360 or a Wii and maybe they dont want to drop the cash for a PS3 and they don't want to feel like they are missing out, so they convince themselves that the system sucks, when in all reality, it's just as good as any other. However, they have this perception that it isnt. I mean, they are all just gaming systems. I've seen people with just a PS3 do the same thing to the 360. But I think that is why you've seen so much hate. You'll notice that it's usually driven by people who just have a wii or just have a xbox or just have a ps3, or any 2, but not the third.

Either way, people will crap on home, they'll crap on on the new xbox experience, theyll crap on Miis. But really these are all just interface tools in the end, wtf does it matter? Use them, don't use them, who cares?
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 11:47
Corak
Uther:
"Someone from Microsoft talking bad about a Sony product.
The scandal."

QFT

Mix:
"Yeah beacuse making an avatar that looks like an upgraded MII is fucking HARDCORE and sweet."

QFT

I tried HOME and I didn't think it was all that great. Its just a fancier, and unnecessary way to get media for the PS3 with some social interaction thrown in. Its so damn boring walking around getting to stuff or decorating your virtual space. I'd much rather be playing a game on my gaming system than playing dress up or watching my dude dance around with other people on my gaming system. I like the fact that this is optional, if you had to do everything from HOME I think I'd switch over to my 360 as my primary system. Its a novel idea but its so damn unnecessary.
brainderailment's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 12:11
brainderailment
All I can say is, I love playing pool in Home.
wastedyears's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 12:19
wastedyears
What Greenbugs comments are really saying is that he is
a) Childish. Its one thing I really don't like about MS is their propaganda machine. Greenburg, Major Nelson, et al really should stop the constant bashing. Its ridiculous.
b) Threatened. If MS wasn't concerned about Home they wouldn't be wasting time speaking about it at all, let alone telling people how much it sucks before most people have a chance to use it for themselves. Home may turn out to big a colossal waste or it might end up being a popular edition to PSN. But when MS releases a 'New Xbox Experience' that is basically a UI ape of the XMB and Nintendo's Mii's I don't think they have alot of room to talk. At least home is optional.
wastedyears's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 12:21
wastedyears
sigh. Above: edition should be addition.
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 12:30
MaxVest
I'd be real surprised if this is fantastic out of the gate, or anything I want to spend time on, but the network architecture possibilities are intriguing.

As for the age of the tech making a big difference, WOW seems to be doing pretty well... Good applications will usually find a user base, regardless of trends. Emphasis on good.
gamadaya's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 12:35
gamadaya
HOME doesn't look outdated at all. It looks pretty good. Of course I always end up thinking these social networking things on consoles are useless anyway.
BulletTrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 12:37
BulletTrain
I haven't tried it out so I can't make an informed statement, but just from observation it seems a bit unnecessary. Is there really anything in Home that couldn't be accomplished with out use of a 3d world?

To me it just seems like a version of Second Life without all the furrys and horsecocks.
casualweaponry's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 12:46
casualweaponry
You guys might call Reaprar a troll, but he just described my Home experience down to the letter.

Granted, I shouldn't have made a female avatar. And I did spend a little too much time on her makeup. And yes, her outfit is color-coordinated...but why the fuck as soon as I step out into the main plaza, a million horny gamers start running man humping me?

Fuck Home, fuck NXE, fuck Miis...I turn on the system, game/message from within the game, and turn the system off. Can't get more streamlined than that.
doktorwyzzerd1's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 13:01
doktorwyzzerd1
I'll never understand hardware fanboyism, I've been playing consols for about 25 years and I can tell you: THEY ALL SUCK. Don't worry, you think your guy is the best? You really love em? Every company will fuck you in the ass somehow, don't worry. Sega, Sony, Nintendo, M$, they're all ass-fuckers, just go with the the games you like and be smart about hardware purchases because THEY ALL WILL FUCK YOU. Fanboys, wake up.
necrozen's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 13:06
necrozen
I've condensed my thoughts on this whole console war bullshit into a blog post.
Pariah's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 13:21
Pariah
I love video games. I love playing them. I love reading about them. I love learning new information about them. When did gaming stop being fun for so many of you?
foxhound421's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 13:23
foxhound421
as soon as Microsoft stops trying to ape Apple and Nintendo i'll listen to what they have to say about how innovative they think Home is.
AgentMOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 13:31
AgentMOO
Who asked them about second life?
Duke2071's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 13:31
Duke2071
I miss the NES interface... put in the game, press power, and play.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 13:48
Holyetheline
Home would be cool if you could kill other people in there. Do you know if this will be an option?
Two's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 13:51
Two
I'll try Home. It might be a good way to meet other people that enjoy a casual game of Warhawk. Or play Warhawk and actually have mics.
KNTNEO's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 13:51
KNTNEO
it seems the roll out of home open beta has run into technical difficulties and has been delayed. Oh dear microsoft is gunna dine out on that news for a while...lol..as sony user myself i have to say this is rather unsettling, coupled with the news of dissatisfied customers all over the place, it make you wonder exactley whats happeining in the land of sony.
Cube's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2008 14:09
Cube
And everything microsft puts out like xbox live and it's lame online gameplay is outdated and not worth it and totaly poinless.


Ooo peer to peer online play without real servers that is so, 1996 and lame and it only cost $50 a year for this fantasic crap.


No wait a minute I think we had better online service in 1996, and battle.net was free and it did the samething.
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