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It's not like there's a fluctuating exchange rate between money and MS points. Besides, you have to be retarded to not be able to do basic math.
How are the deceptive? A 5 year old could calculate the math involved here. 1600=$20, 800=$10, 400=$5. seeing as how most items fall into one of those, you don't even have to do anything more. Get a calculator if you're that worried MS is going to charge you 20 dollars for something that costs 15 on PSN.
Also, why does Nintendo never get crap for their points system? It's far more 'deceptive' in it's practice. Not to mention they double charge me and force me to buy points strictly in quantities of ten dollars.
All this does is give stupid fanboy's a reason to bitch about Microsoft.
Also, why does Nintendo never get crap for their points system? It's far more 'deceptive' in it's practice. Not to mention they double charge me and force me to buy points strictly in quantities of ten dollars.
All this does is give stupid fanboy's a reason to bitch about Microsoft.
The company I work at wants to copy Microshaft's greedy system. Know who would be footing the bill? The U.S. taxpayer. Gotta love ethics.
The company I work at wants to copy Microshaft's greedy system. Know who would be footing the bill? The U.S. taxpayer. Gotta love ethics.
PSN does the same thing, actually. Look at all the PSN games they put up. I can only add money in multiples of five and most games are often conveniently just over any multiple of five for just about anything that's not priced $29.99 or higher.
So I can put up and even $40.00 and get Tekken 6 for my PSP, but if I want to any non-SE PSOne game, nopy, I have to put up ten dollars to spend $5.99. And they totally do that in hopes I'll blow the remaining $4.01 toward one of their overpriced movie rentals or a PSP mini.
But give me an old PSP game or PSOne game for a even multiple of $5? Almost never happsns.
So I can put up and even $40.00 and get Tekken 6 for my PSP, but if I want to any non-SE PSOne game, nopy, I have to put up ten dollars to spend $5.99. And they totally do that in hopes I'll blow the remaining $4.01 toward one of their overpriced movie rentals or a PSP mini.
But give me an old PSP game or PSOne game for a even multiple of $5? Almost never happsns.
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Hey guys, it's 2010. The XBox360 launched almost 5 years ago. Banana Dollars, Space Bucks, etc. was cute back then. Now? Not so much. We get it El-OH-EL.
Five years later, only idiots can't tell that 80 points equals $1.
Sure its not 1:1 like with the Wii, or literal values on PSN but if I guess not everyone is an intellectual God such as I. /rollseyes
Five years later, only idiots can't tell that 80 points equals $1.
Sure its not 1:1 like with the Wii, or literal values on PSN but if I guess not everyone is an intellectual God such as I. /rollseyes
At this moment, I have 40 points. For whatever reason. I think my bro bought Halo DLC.
The thing is, all the DLC I want is never anything less than 400 points, so I'll pretty much always have those. Oh well. It's not like I've never heard of change before.
The thing is, all the DLC I want is never anything less than 400 points, so I'll pretty much always have those. Oh well. It's not like I've never heard of change before.
If it wasn't meant to be deceptive, then what was the point of making a $5 item 400 points instead of 500? It's the same as when stores price items as $4.99 instead of five dollars, hoping that consumers will subconsciously believe an item is cheaper than it actually is.
You can only ADD money to your wallet in 5s, but you can buy anything for the exact amount by NOT adding any money to your wallet and billing directly to your Credit Card.
The fuck do you mean by Sony's fanboys? If a person is happy with real prices in PSN and thinks that MS points system is fucked up, he's a fanboy for Sony's PSN? It's not fanboism, it's called preferences, people have them.
Microsoft made their own digital currency and there was no reason for that, except to earn more munny by playing with the rate of exchange.
Microsoft made their own digital currency and there was no reason for that, except to earn more munny by playing with the rate of exchange.
@The Silent Protagonist What's wrong with your ps3? I can add whatever amount i want to my funds just before buying items. And the people saying you have to be stupid not to be able to do the math
a. on ps3, you don't have to do any math.
b. you didn't read the last paragraph stating josh's point that the quantities aren't even, leaving you with leftover points every time.
a. on ps3, you don't have to do any math.
b. you didn't read the last paragraph stating josh's point that the quantities aren't even, leaving you with leftover points every time.
I agree that they aren't deceptive once you learn the simple 1.25 conversion rate, but they certainly are uneven. I always have leftover points, though I try not to waste them.
That said, I actually DO like MS points for exactly one reason: they allow for, essentially, sales on money. Just last week Amazon had their 4000 MS point cards--the equivalent of $50--on sale for $42. That's $8 free, last I checked.
That said, I actually DO like MS points for exactly one reason: they allow for, essentially, sales on money. Just last week Amazon had their 4000 MS point cards--the equivalent of $50--on sale for $42. That's $8 free, last I checked.
@The Silent Protagonist
Actually with PSN you can add what ever amount you want from the shopping cart. I've added .65 as well as 11.99 and it just charges my card whatever I need.
Actually with PSN you can add what ever amount you want from the shopping cart. I've added .65 as well as 11.99 and it just charges my card whatever I need.
on top of the point made in this article, MS points serve to devalue your money. psychologically speaking it's much easier to spend points like it doesn't matter than it is to do the same thing with cash.
the only upside is that you can occasionally find MS point cards discounted.
the only upside is that you can occasionally find MS point cards discounted.
@timtheterrible
Explain to me how 500 points is closer to 5 bucks than 400 is? Maybe if you compare it to Wii points, but no one does. Even so, that's common practice. PSN charges .99 for games and no one bitches about that.
Explain to me how 500 points is closer to 5 bucks than 400 is? Maybe if you compare it to Wii points, but no one does. Even so, that's common practice. PSN charges .99 for games and no one bitches about that.
That whole remainder problem? It's even *worse* on WiiWare. The PSN store really is nice in how it lets you buy something for $14.98 if you choose, while I've still got to spend $10 even if I'm only 100 Wii points away from a game I want.
@The Silent Protagonist
You're doing it wrong. I thought it was the same way when I first started playing around in the PS store (not sure why), but, like emptythecache and koehler83 said, you only have to add the exact amount you're spending if you just use your credit card through the store.
You're doing it wrong. I thought it was the same way when I first started playing around in the PS store (not sure why), but, like emptythecache and koehler83 said, you only have to add the exact amount you're spending if you just use your credit card through the store.
I try to avoid using MS points when I can. Anytime there's an XBLA game I want to get, I buy it through Amazon. Unfortunately, Amazon only sells full games, and not add-ons.
I hate buying music on the Zune Marketplace and ending up with a weird number of points. Now I have 51 MSP in my account. That's not enough for anything!
I also hate that my Zune and Xbox Live friends are on one list, so people who don't even have Live are taking up space on my Live list?
But I don't hate that picture.
I also hate that my Zune and Xbox Live friends are on one list, so people who don't even have Live are taking up space on my Live list?
But I don't hate that picture.
Europeans, or at least the British, have the left over money problem way worse than the Americans. We buy points by the 2100.
I support paying 15 dollars for a 15 dollar product instead of 1200 Msoft points which I bought for 15 bucks, because I am not an asshat.
Us Brits can purchase a 2100 points card for 1750 of our British pennies. Just to let you know soy bob.
@ RenegadePanda
Read the post again. 500 points would be closer to $5 because 500 cents are in a dollar. That makes a lot more sense than 400 points somehow equaling $5, but, I'd imagine Microsoft was hoping that it would work, "...the same as when stores price items as $4.99 instead of five dollars, hoping that consumers will subconsciously believe an item is cheaper than it actually is." Also, you are wrong about the Playstation Store.
Read the post again. 500 points would be closer to $5 because 500 cents are in a dollar. That makes a lot more sense than 400 points somehow equaling $5, but, I'd imagine Microsoft was hoping that it would work, "...the same as when stores price items as $4.99 instead of five dollars, hoping that consumers will subconsciously believe an item is cheaper than it actually is." Also, you are wrong about the Playstation Store.
Could you imagine buying anything from any other store that costs $3.00, and just having the clerk say 'ok ill hang on to the other $2.00 out of your fiver for you, until you come back and find something else to spend it on? It's assinine. They do it to save on the costs of credit card transactions for small transactions and to get you to buy more points than you actually need.
The worse part about MS Points is that, in Canada, they're more expensive than the exhange rate. So we get charged $29.00 + tax for 2000 points, regardless of the exchange. That's about $32 for 2000 MS points (depending on the province).
So something that is CDN$14.99+tax (CDN$16.93) on PSN, is $19.66 on XBLM. Totally not deceptive.
So something that is CDN$14.99+tax (CDN$16.93) on PSN, is $19.66 on XBLM. Totally not deceptive.
@Bakewell, you may pay 1750 pennies. You should look on Zavvi.com because they'll sometimes have points for £15. That's like, free money.
I don't have a 360 but I really like how PSN does things. I get frustrated on my Wii and that's even a 10 to 1 conversion rate instead of some silly rate that doesn't even make any sense. I would go nuts with a XBOX.
Actually it is deceptive to the mathematically challenged, which is quite a big number of gamers lol.Why doesn't Xbox just simply change their points to represent dollar worth instead of bullshit points that have a different conversion rate? Trust me, you don't want me to answer what I think the answer to that question is.
i've had a ps3 for a month during which i've realized that xbl comparatively treats their customers like shit. if i want something that's $5.99, i want to pay $5.99. making us buy 10 dollars worth of their space money to buy a $6 item is fucking thievery.
But the real question is, how many banana dollars must I pay for the banana treatment as advertised? I MUST KNOW.
So now they're hotdog/bun dollars, where you always have some left over. I haven't bought anything on Live, but on PSN I have an empty wallet, and buy the downloadable directly, I am only charged exactly what that game costs. I assumed Live worked the same, is that not the case?
if you have leftover money when buying a game, does that mean you have lost money for good?
Hell no!
It's not like you're going to never buy another game from the Live Market, right?
Hell no!
It's not like you're going to never buy another game from the Live Market, right?
@Chronic Logic
Actually, it's a certainty. Eventually a purchase is going to be your last and MS will gain interest on that last 100 points until your account goes inactive. Then they'll keep it all.
Actually, it's a certainty. Eventually a purchase is going to be your last and MS will gain interest on that last 100 points until your account goes inactive. Then they'll keep it all.
I wouldn't care about the system, be it points or real dollars, if you could the amount you needed to pick up an item. When you have 440 points left off of an 800 point purchase and then try to buy something for 800 points you can't just buy the 360 points you need. You much purchase at least another 400, and even that can't be purchased as part of the purchase of the item. You have to go add points and then make your purchase, leaving you with 40 worthless points left over that you'll likely never be able to get rid of.
It's fucking robbery, plain and simple. That's why it's done. It's the same thing as the virus Richard Pryor writes in Superman III. They give us a system where we can't even use our leftover points after having already taken all the money for them. They're scamming the pennies off all of our point transactions.
It's fucking robbery, plain and simple. That's why it's done. It's the same thing as the virus Richard Pryor writes in Superman III. They give us a system where we can't even use our leftover points after having already taken all the money for them. They're scamming the pennies off all of our point transactions.
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